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Greenstang
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posted 11-29-2001 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greenstang   Click Here to Email Greenstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*ahem*

The Montgomery County community of Kensington has banned the jolly old man from its annual tree lighting ceremony this Sunday.
"Because two families in our town felt that they would be uncomfortable with Santa Claus being a part of our event," Mayor Lynn
Raufaste said.
The Town Council banned Santa after the complaints.
In years past, Santa would arrive on a fire truck and light the tree with the mayor. But on Sunday, the mayor will do the honors
herself.
"This is a part of the American life, and I just think it's a shame that we can't have one in our town this year," Raufaste said.
Montgomery County lawmakers recently passed legislation that would have regulated smoking in the privacy of people's homes.
The county reversed course this week after a rash of worldwide attention and a public opinion backlash.
"At least now Santa can stay at home and smoke, if nothing else, since he is now banned from the tree lighting," mocked one
Montgomery County lawmaker on Wednesday. "We have become a national embarrassment."

/news story

Gotta love our country....

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 11-29-2001 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...............I don't get it????
Probably no Nativity scene either.
(da, It's CHRISTmas)

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FISHTAIL
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posted 11-29-2001 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's national already? DAMN! Kengsington isn't far from my house at all. I heard that on the radio yesterday morning, and it really pissed me off. I don't get it. How can you celebrate christmas, AND be offended by santa? The most likely reason for this is that those familys DON'T celebrate christmas, so.......if you don't celebrate it, you won't be there right? If your not there, why in the hell should you care if santa is there? aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggg.... that pisses me off. I hate people who feel it is there job to ruin this time of year for everyone else. If we are all about respecting other peoples beliefs, then respect mine....and LEAVE THEM ALONE! *gets off soap box*. Sorry guys, but since this whole thing isn't far from where I live it really makes me angry...why can't people just pull the sticks out of there A$$'s just for a few weeks every year?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-29-2001 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's always someone looking to cause discord.

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Stewart
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posted 11-29-2001 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, Mike. Especially the last sentence!!

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UnbridledFury
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posted 11-29-2001 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for UnbridledFury   Click Here to Email UnbridledFury     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good grief.... What next???

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FISHTAIL
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posted 11-29-2001 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's next? The next thing will be the banning of all colored lights, lest we offend the color blind...

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FISHTAIL
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posted 11-29-2001 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder how far I would get if I started telling the government that I found all the non-offensive holiday celebrations offensive because they were non-offensive? .

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Apittslife
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posted 11-29-2001 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apittslife   Click Here to Email Apittslife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Actually Guys & gals It is most likely the Christians that are behind this!
They dislike the fact that Santa claus has a bigger fan base. On thier Religious holiday. Tisk tisk!!

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Greenstang
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posted 11-29-2001 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greenstang   Click Here to Email Greenstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FISHTAIL:
I wonder how far I would get if I started telling the government that I found all the non-offensive holiday celebrations offensive because they were non-offensive? .


I'm with ya!
/me furiously writes letters to local government

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IIGood
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posted 11-29-2001 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FISHTAIL:
I wonder how far I would get if I started telling the government that I found all the non-offensive holiday celebrations offensive because they were non-offensive? .

Methinks someone's been watching a bit much South Park. LOL.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-29-2001 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I blame it all on mental constipation. People need something to do so they don't take up stupid causes such as this.

When you're busy wire wheeling a 32 year old car frame, you don't have time to march at the 'Ban St. Nick' or 'Ban Harry Potter' rallies.

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Fastymz
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posted 11-29-2001 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew not to read this,I hate this crap.
I cant even say anything but,heck I cant even say that.

SCOOP

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Mike65
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posted 11-29-2001 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike65   Click Here to Email Mike65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SCOOP, these people have way too much tme on there hands, like Steve said if you are working on a 32 year old car you dont have a whole lot of extra time for crap like they are spewing. that s**t makes me mad. We need to find out what holiday they celebrate & complain about that. Get even with them, or you could dress up as Santa & show up anyway. I bet that would REALLY piss them off.

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posted 11-29-2001 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67 Fastback   Click Here to Email 67 Fastback     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, I think you have a great idea there! Imagine 500 Santa's running around the tree all locals, ranging in size from 2 ft to 6+ ft. Be a Great statement from the community (and a warning to the Mayor that it is her last term as mayor).

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avu3
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posted 11-30-2001 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for avu3   Click Here to Email avu3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In that there great place they also passed a law that says you have to shovel the sidewalk and your driveway within 12 hours of a snow storm, wheter you intend to use them or not, wheter you are able or not....

Government getting a little meddlin' if you ask me....

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Ked
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posted 11-30-2001 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ked   Click Here to Email Ked     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Apittslife:

Actually Guys & gals It is most likely the Christians that are behind this!
They dislike the fact that Santa claus has a bigger fan base. On thier Religious holiday. Tisk tisk!!

Paul


from the book, Saints Preserve Us! by: Sean Kelly & Rosemary Rogers:

"Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of: bakers, barrel makers, bootblacks, brewers, brides, chaildren, dockworkers, fishermen, creece, merchants, pawnbrokers, perfumers, prisoners, russia, sailor, spinsters and travelers.
....we know him by his dutch name, Santa Claus. He was bishop of Myra, Turkey. Three young women were about to enter prostitution, for their father had no money for dowry. In secret in the middle of the night, Nicolas threw three bags of gold into their window (the "three balls" reprsenting financial aid in a time of need, became the emblem of the pawnbroker's guild). In famine, he provided "miraculous" bread, hence the patronage of bakers. During the same famine, he was served meat by a butcher, much to his surprise. Suspecting the worst he inspected the butcher's cellar, to find three barrels containing three murdered boys in brine. Rest assured, the bishop lost no time in restoring them to life, and he has been the patron of children-in-a-pickle every since (I thought this a funny comment!!). Upon his death, he visited sailors to guide them through storm tossed seas..hence the patronage of sailors. A sweet-smelling myrrh-like substance oozes from his tomb in the San Nicola basilica in Italy, hence the patronage of perfumers.....He was martyred in the Diocletian persecution in 305...."

Just some interesting facts. St. Nicolas is considered a saint who did saintly things...... and my Christian Church accepts saints and celebrates their days through out the year....soooooo maybe we should say that this is the work of some pretty petty fundamental people, instead????

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posted 11-30-2001 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike65:
We need to find out what holiday they celebrate & complain about that.

Good idea! Is there a National Stupid F**ks Day?

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posted 11-30-2001 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67stang   Click Here to Email 67stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear they are going to allow him there after all, after much complaining. But he may not be lighting the tree .

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posted 11-30-2001 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Good idea! Is there a National Stupid F**ks Day?


Steve, there are many! I believe its called Weekends

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posted 12-01-2001 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 89_coupe   Click Here to Email 89_coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And most live here in NM unfortunately.

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posted 12-01-2001 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apittslife   Click Here to Email Apittslife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ked,
Very true, but can you honestly say, the Santa~Claus we all grew up with, & watch every yr. is the same as the Christian Saint Nicolas?
Times have changed & so do some beliefs. I personally an NOT a christian, but hold no animosity towards them, & their Holidays. or any other religious holidays of others.
I do how ever come from a family that is very religious ( Christian ) & they have bickered for yrs. about the Commercialization of this particular Holiday, & the fact that they see more about Santa~Claus, Rudoph, & Frosty then about their Jesus..

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posted 12-01-2001 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Witthoeft   Click Here to Email Dave Witthoeft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I no longer do cristmass at all. Just ignore it. But I don't go around telling other people to skip it too. That's their business. Besides, everyone likes getting presants! (Especialy cash for car parts! )

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posted 12-01-2001 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ked   Click Here to Email Ked     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Apittslife:

Ked,
Very true, but can you honestly say, the Santa~Claus we all grew up with, & watch every yr. is the same as the Christian Saint Nicolas?

.......the Commercialization of this particular Holiday, & the fact that they see more about Santa~Claus, Rudoph, & Frosty then about their Jesus..

Paul


Paul,
I quoted information from a book that I picked up a couple years ago that deals specifically with the Saints. This book attributes our modern Santa Claus with St. Nicolas. Being a "converted" Catholic, I have a great interest in the history of this church and their traditions. The "cult of Saints" (as it is called) is pretty neat and came about in a time when the "common" people (i.e. those who did not speak latin) felt out of "touch" with the Catholic church. Many of the stories attributed to the Saints are mostly myth..... surely St. Nicolas did not find "pickled" children in the basement, afterall. But it makes for an amusing story, huh? And, it was something that the uneducated people of the middle ages could understand and relate to.

Now, about the commercialization of Christmas. I whole heartedly agree!!! My immediate family (me, hubby and kids) are regular church goers and we do attend the children's mass every Christmas eve (when the kids are older, we will probably go to the midnight vigil). What bugs me the most about this, is how crowded the service is with people who only attend twice a year! Shame!!!

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posted 12-02-2001 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it looks like the people spoke.

Not only did Santa appear at the Kensington Christmas Tree lighting ceremony today, hundreds of spectators were also in full Santa dress. Just saw all this on the late news.

LOL.

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posted 12-03-2001 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464   Click Here to Email lyle29464     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Guys & gals It is most likely the Christians that are behind this!
They dislike the fact that Santa claus has a bigger fan base. On thier Religious holiday. Tisk tisk!!

Is tisk!! tisk!! what a person with a speech defect (note I am polite and politicaly correct) says at a strip show?

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posted 12-03-2001 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Witthoeft   Click Here to Email Dave Witthoeft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IIGood:
Well, it looks like the people spoke.

Not only did Santa appear at the Kensington Christmas Tree lighting ceremony today, hundreds of spectators were also in full Santa dress. Just saw all this on the late news.

LOL.


Wow. I bet a plate of cookies went faster than a pack of smokes at an A.A. meeting!

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