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Topic: Can some tell me about Block fill
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 20708 From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 06:08 PM
I really don't know what it is,and why some of you use it. How do you put it in the block.------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 6061 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Fastymz: I really don't know what it is,and why some of you use it. How do you put it in the block.
Great question Ron, I was also wondering about it and how it works as well as the application methods and pros & cons of using it. JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK
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MrXerox Gearhead Posts: 348 From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-15-2003 08:21 PM
Do a search on the site for "Hardblock" there should be plenty of threads to browse through.
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 20708 From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 08:24 PM
Hey John read these.https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000677.html https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000853.html Mr Xerox thanks I didn't know the name of it. Now doesn't the block lower the amount of water that will flow in the motor. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Kellxr7 Gearhead Posts: 679 From: Canada Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 05-15-2003 08:56 PM
Do you have to do a major upgrade to your cooling system after putting this hard block in?
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 20708 From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 09:02 PM
From what I've read no you dont.But you do need an oil cooler.------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 2694 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 09:05 PM
Hardblok will help support the cylinders and keep them round under severe stess. It will drastically improve ring seal under severe conditions, and it's extra mass will help dampen major vibrations. I would fill it to the bottom of the water pump holes to allow for adequate cooling. I filled mine with HardBlok, as this was the brand that was overwhelmingly recommended over any other... But, I haven't got to run it yet. Fill the block BEFORE machine work is done. The Moroso brand is supposed to expand as it cures, and will make the cylinders tight. I have heard of people using the HardBlok product AFTER machine work was done without incident, but wouldn't recommend that if it can be avoided. You do ONE bank at a time. It's a good idea to torque the mains and use a level to get the engine completely level front to back and side to side. You then mix it up and pour it in. A mixer attached to a drill will make the mixing more effective and faster, and give you more 'pour' time before it starts to set up. An old alternator fan (or even a straight bar) welded to a rod works great for this. Be aware that each bank will take DIFFERENT amounts of mix to fill. When finished filling, I used an air hammer set on LOW to help with settling. I welded a fairly thick 1" square piece of steel to the end of one of the chisels to act as my 'blunt' tip. This makes the job go WAY easier. Settling takes place quickly and efficiently. After it was all settled, I installed a head (and gasket) and let it cure for 24hrs before doing the other side. The head will simulate the loads on the bore when the engine is assembled. (same principle as 'torque plate' boring/honing) The directions in the HardBlok containor are good, and fairly easy to follow. If you have a GOOD scale (for reading low weights of less than 10lbs) the 'tall fill' containor is twice as big and will fill two blocks. (comes with two large bags) It's just important to weigh the filler out accurately to the 1/4 pound. The 'half fill' Hardblok is already pre-measured for half filling. (two small bags) I also cleaned out the water jackets before beginning by filling them with muriatic acid. I let the un-diluted acid sit in there for a couple minutes in each bank before dumping it out and rinsing GOOD with water. It will eat ALL the rust out of the jackets and give a great surface for the Hardblok to bond to. Just be careful. When the acid hits a concrete driveway, it produces a nasty 'acid fog'. As a by product, the driveway will have one VERY clean spot. Wear gloves and eye protection, and try to avoid getting the acid on your clothes. Muriatic acid is found in hardware stores, and is normally used to lower the pH in swimming pools and clean bricks and masonry. (it's usually diluted for this) Good Luck!
------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 6061 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-15-2003 09:12 PM
Great info guys, thanks for the effort on this one. Now I know, I really wish I would have done this to my 289 as it is bored .060 over and cooling has been a problem. JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK
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jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 2904 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-15-2003 11:39 PM
John, I wouldnt recommend it for a street gas burning motor. You might get away with a half fill, but you need that water capacity for long cruises. RACE only and mild Street serious strip cars are O.K. I see some guys at the track running gas burners who say they wished they would not have poured it so deep in their motor. Alky motors need heat to run and they are naturally cool so block filling is not an issue with MOST alky cars. JS
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 20708 From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-16-2003 01:00 PM
Mike thanks for the help.------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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