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Journeyman

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posted 01-11-2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 662+2   Click Here to Email 662+2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 1966 fb which weighs 2900lbs the best run was a 14.02 at 97 mph. the engine is original except for 498 cam heaver valve springs edelbrock intake holley 650 carb. 3.8 rear end gears with posi original exhaust manifolds full factory style dual exhaust 14" radial tires and factory standard 3 speed. The engine just started to smoke at the end of the year and I am looking at my options of either install 302 or rebuild 289 with 96000 original miles.I would like at least to run low 13's. I already bought tri-y's and I am pllanning to by slicks and tie the frame.

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posted 01-11-2003 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your that close to 13.9 some slicks should get you there.

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SCOOP
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2.26 60'S
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-11-2003 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The headers (open)with a bit of carb/timing tuning and some traction will put you right there as is.

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posted 01-12-2003 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 662+2   Click Here to Email 662+2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I am close but the engine is smoking and I have to rebuild it this winter and I am looking for some advice on the best combination to put into the rebuilt motor as far as parts etc. to run in the low 13's.Thanks for the info and please keep it coming!

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-12-2003 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See 300HP for $1500 thread.

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 01-12-2003 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Open up those heads.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-13-2003 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, the first things I`d do is get rid of those crappy exh. manifolds, & put on a decent set of headers, & swap the 3 speed standard for a 4 speed, or better yet a T5 5 speed.

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mustangboy
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posted 01-15-2003 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which track are you running at.Toronto Motorsport Park (the old Cayuga)?I agree lose the manifolds and the 3 speed and you will be solidly in the 13s.I gain close to 3/10ths just by uncorking the headers.A 14.02 is very impressive with your combo,especially with radials.

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posted 01-15-2003 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
See 300HP for $1500 thread.

I was wondering if you can 300HP with $1500.00 could you get 600HP with $3000.00?
naturally aspirated of course.
Jerry

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MrWesson22
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posted 01-15-2003 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Jerry you can. Build TWO 289s for $1500 a piece. Mount one in the engine bay and one in the trunk. If Olds can do it, surely you can.

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TomP
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posted 01-15-2003 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah 14.02 with the crappy manifolds and 3 speed is pretty good. The T-5 is simple and inexpensive and would work nice with the 3.8's, if a Toploader be sure to get a wide ratio one with it's 2.78 low gear.

FORGET THE AUTOMATIC!! It'll set performance back enough that it'll be tough to get a low 13 and good driving manners.

Slicks, 26 x 8" ones will do fine. It is worth up to 3/4 of a second if you can't hook well now. On my horrible Ranger the difference is worse, 12.75 with slicks, best without is barely into the 13's. 1/2 second difference in 60ft times!

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TomP
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posted 01-15-2003 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and... no need to tie the frame... adding weight won't help anything, it won't be twisting at that power level...if it was aggressive enough to twist you'd be going fast enough to need a roll bar, which takes care of the problem in itself.

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bluestreek
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posted 01-15-2003 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your budget will probably dictate how you choose your next combo.

I have to agree with everyone else. Your 14.02 @ 97 mph performance with the stock 289 is amazing!! I had to port the stock heads, and use Hooker headers to get that kind of performance on street tires ([email protected]). The 3 speed has a very low first gear(3.00), which helps. There is at least a 1/2 second to gain using slicks.

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, ported TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, CompCams Xtreme Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi, BFG Drag radials..

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posted 01-15-2003 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 662+2   Click Here to Email 662+2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the replies guys! I seem to get that response from alot of people that the car is running realy good times for all that I have done to it. But I have changed the cam intake and carb on the motor so it is not completly stock just the bottom end.I ran in the points at Cayuga last year and ended up in 5th but I lost alot of races when the dew hit the track and I would spin of the line with radials. I have already got my new tri-y's and I am looking for and will have slicks this year. Unfortunately my engine is smoking so I am looking at my options for a rebuild of 289 or 351 windsor . I am running 2.06 in the 60' with the radials but consistantly, the odd tire spin and it is hard to make it up at the end of the track.thanks again for info some amusing and some informative but I enjoy both

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posted 01-15-2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wish my car would run low 14's and 2.06 60's would be great.I did some work just to get the 2.2 60's I have now.

What kind and size tire do you run now?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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posted 01-15-2003 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 662+2   Click Here to Email 662+2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am running 205/70/14 BF Goodrich. I never get those 60' times on test & tune days only when the track is prepped for race day nice and stickkkyyy

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Fastymz
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posted 01-15-2003 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bfg's 245-60-14 I've only run on T&T days.
I hope to try and make a real race this year.
Those are still real impressive 60 times,With 205 tires.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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