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stoker
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posted 12-14-2002 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoker   Click Here to Email stoker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
want later model with selonoid on starter,has to be two bolt housing,c-4 trans with six bolt bellhousing.want to go cheap route and get lifetime warrantee from kragen or autozone.what year model do i ask for?i hear it will be nine pounds lighter and have more torqe

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Dad Vishus
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posted 12-14-2002 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We got a replacement started for a 96 or so Ford F-150 with a 302 and an auotmatic. Its a little gear starter with the solenoid on it. Works great and outlasts the big standard starter by a bunch. Will turn a 14:1 motor all day and a bunch easier to install.

It will take a little rewiring. Change the big wire to the other side of the stock solenoid to make it hot all the time. Extend the wire from the switch to the solenoid on the new starter. Easy and easy to put back if you have to in an emergency.

We were eating stock style starters about every 2 weeks on KVs car. We changed to this and ran the same one for 3 years.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 12-14-2002 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a replacement starter for a '96 truck with 351W. I'm gonna try it on my Cleveland. I haven't figured out how to wire it yet. It has the solinoid on the starter motor and it is WAY smaller than the original size. Is it just a matter of running the power cable to the starter and a switched wire to the soinoid? Does anyone know? My truck still has a solinoid on the inner fender, too.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 12-14-2002 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh, I guess DV answered my question. Thanks.

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-15-2002 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1991-95 5.0 HO starter and a SK-348 Motorcraft (E2PZ 11K162A) conversion kit does the trick and makes the installation a snap.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 12-15-2002 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, are you saying that the small starter that I got from a '96 351W truck, is not the same as an HO? If not, what is the difference?

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Dad Vishus
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posted 12-15-2002 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm fairly sure ours was for a 96 302 F150. I would think that's the same starter, but maybe not.

Anyway, ours bolted right up to the 351C/C4 combo.

In any case, the gear starter is a big improvement.

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posted 12-15-2002 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will fit physically, but I don't believe that the 351 mini starter is a high torque.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 12-16-2002 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'll give it a try. If it doesn't work, I'll always wish it did. The main reason I need it is because with the timing locked out, it cranks slow when hot.

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posted 12-16-2002 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MM will spin hot for a week with the FoMoCo mini starter. The timing is also locked in.

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posted 12-16-2002 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I wired up the starter tonight and it is a hugh improvement over the old one. I wired it like DV suggested. It cranks easily, compared to the big sucker. It sure seems to have gear reduction to me. We will have to see how it does in the heat of summer. That's the true test.

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posted 12-16-2002 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's gear reduction all right Ben, just not a high torque gear reduction unit.

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stoker
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posted 12-16-2002 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoker   Click Here to Email stoker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do all 1990 & up fomoco mini starters have planetary gear sets & are they the same ratio?why would one be more torqeyer?

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posted 12-17-2002 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1991 and up are gear reduction.
A high torque has a longer armature with more windings like the FRPP unit.

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timjk
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posted 12-22-2002 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for timjk   Click Here to Email timjk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So will these mini-starters bolt up to a
351C/C6? Sounds like the way to go!

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posted 12-22-2002 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely.

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posted 12-27-2002 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More starter tech here:

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003440.html

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posted 12-27-2002 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
1991-95 5.0 HO starter and a SK-348 Motorcraft (E2PZ 11K162A) conversion kit does the trick and makes the installation a snap.


Alex were do I get the conversion kit?
Like others I dont think I'll find one in the yard.

Some reason I just cant follow DV's instructions for the rewire.

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posted 12-27-2002 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conversion kit is available at and FLM dealer. Wiring instructions are in the box.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Conversion kit is available at and FLM dealer. Wiring instructions are in the box.


Alex are you an FLM dealer?


SCOOP

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posted 12-27-2002 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, FLM stands for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury.
We are Motorcraft dealers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scoop, FLM stands for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury.
We are Motorcraft dealers.


Sorry about that,
One more dump question will the mini starter from a 302 work on a 351w.

scoop

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2.26 60'S
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65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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posted 12-27-2002 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Ron, it will.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yes Ron, it will.


Thank you,I'm still learning Alex.

SCOOP

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2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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