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Topic: want to modernize 65 starter
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stoker
Gearhead Posts: 159
From: folsom,cal,
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 12-14-2002 04:39 PM
   
want later model with selonoid on starter,has to be two bolt housing,c-4 trans with six bolt bellhousing.want to go cheap route and get lifetime warrantee from kragen or autozone.what year model do i ask for?i hear it will be nine pounds lighter and have more torqe
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 920
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-14-2002 05:23 PM
We got a replacement started for a 96 or so Ford F-150 with a 302 and an auotmatic. Its a little gear starter with the solenoid on it. Works great and outlasts the big standard starter by a bunch. Will turn a 14:1 motor all day and a bunch easier to install.It will take a little rewiring. Change the big wire to the other side of the stock solenoid to make it hot all the time. Extend the wire from the switch to the solenoid on the new starter. Easy and easy to put back if you have to in an emergency. We were eating stock style starters about every 2 weeks on KVs car. We changed to this and ran the same one for 3 years. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28' [This message has been edited by Dad Vishus (edited 12-14-2002).]
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1189
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-14-2002 05:26 PM
I got a replacement starter for a '96 truck with 351W. I'm gonna try it on my Cleveland. I haven't figured out how to wire it yet. It has the solinoid on the starter motor and it is WAY smaller than the original size. Is it just a matter of running the power cable to the starter and a switched wire to the soinoid? Does anyone know? My truck still has a solinoid on the inner fender, too.------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1189
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-14-2002 05:27 PM
Huh, I guess DV answered my question. Thanks.  ------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-15-2002 06:07 PM
1991-95 5.0 HO starter and a SK-348 Motorcraft (E2PZ 11K162A) conversion kit does the trick and makes the installation a snap.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1189
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-15-2002 08:53 PM
Alex, are you saying that the small starter that I got from a '96 351W truck, is not the same as an HO? If not, what is the difference?------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 920
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-15-2002 09:30 PM
I'm fairly sure ours was for a 96 302 F150. I would think that's the same starter, but maybe not.Anyway, ours bolted right up to the 351C/C4 combo. In any case, the gear starter is a big improvement. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-15-2002 11:18 PM
It will fit physically, but I don't believe that the 351 mini starter is a high torque.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1189
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-16-2002 12:01 PM
I guess I'll give it a try. If it doesn't work, I'll always wish it did. The main reason I need it is because with the timing locked out, it cranks slow when hot.------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-16-2002 01:47 PM
MM will spin hot for a week with the FoMoCo mini starter. The timing is also locked in. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1189
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-16-2002 09:07 PM
Well, I wired up the starter tonight and it is a hugh improvement over the old one. I wired it like DV suggested. It cranks easily, compared to the big sucker. It sure seems to have gear reduction to me. We will have to see how it does in the heat of summer. That's the true test.  ------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-16-2002 10:48 PM
It's gear reduction all right Ben, just not a high torque gear reduction unit. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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stoker
Gearhead Posts: 159
From: folsom,cal,
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 12-16-2002 11:42 PM
do all 1990 & up fomoco mini starters have planetary gear sets & are they the same ratio?why would one be more torqeyer?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-17-2002 12:47 AM
1991 and up are gear reduction.
A high torque has a longer armature with more windings like the FRPP unit. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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timjk
Journeyman Posts: 57
From:
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 12-22-2002 06:32 PM
So will these mini-starters bolt up to a
351C/C6? Sounds like the way to go!Tim
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-22-2002 06:40 PM
Absolutely. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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cpmaverick
Gearhead Posts: 1666
From: Santa Clarita, CA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 12-27-2002 01:08 AM
More starter tech here:https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003440.html ------------------
-Charlie Ping
1970 Maverick Grabber
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-27-2002 03:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
1991-95 5.0 HO starter and a SK-348 Motorcraft (E2PZ 11K162A) conversion kit does the trick and makes the installation a snap.
Alex were do I get the conversion kit?
Like others I dont think I'll find one in the yard. Some reason I just cant follow DV's instructions for the rewire. SCOOP ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-27-2002 10:26 AM
Conversion kit is available at and FLM dealer. Wiring instructions are in the box.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-27-2002 03:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Conversion kit is available at and FLM dealer. Wiring instructions are in the box.
Alex are you an FLM dealer?
SCOOP
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oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-27-2002 04:47 PM
Scoop, FLM stands for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury.
We are Motorcraft dealers.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-27-2002 05:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scoop, FLM stands for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury.
We are Motorcraft dealers.
Sorry about that,
One more dump question will the mini starter from a 302 work on a 351w. scoop
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oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 12-27-2002 06:34 PM
Yes Ron, it will. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
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posted 12-27-2002 06:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yes Ron, it will.
Thank you,I'm still learning Alex. SCOOP
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oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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