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Moneymaker
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posted 12-04-2002 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually had a lot of bad luck against 68-69 Chevelles on the street.
I never lost to a 70-72 454, but had several close races and at least two losses against 68-69's.
One when I just got MM and it was completely stone stock, was for $20 that I could not affford to lose against a 69 SS 396/350 automatic. He gave me a car length spot and just beat me by a nose. That $20 was all that I had and it was to last me the rest of the week.
I talked the guy into racing me again for another $20 and give me two cars. This time I jumped him (cheated) about a 1/2 a car length and beat him. (whew)He was pissed but paid up. Then I trash talked him into doing it one more time but with a three car spot. The sucker gave in to my constant signifying but wanted to open his headers this time. I said OK, but I get to open my dumps (which were wroth a bunch on MM at the time).
I won and took his other $20 and went home as fast as I could.
Moral of the story...ALWAYS quit when your ahead!

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Dubz
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posted 12-04-2002 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i so badly want to go driving now, buy alas my car is in parts and not insured....

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1974 Gran Torino, 351W
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-04-2002 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I shouldn't post this because we don't want to encourage street racing, but a friend and I used to work at a gas station and we would close it at midnight then he would hop into his metallic green '72 Sportroof and I'd hop into my Sprint and we would go racing down this road that ran by the beach and through a heavily wooded area and we would draft each other so close I still have marks on my urethane bumper from getting too close. We'd be blasting through the curves so hard we'd almost spin out then we'd park in this church parking lot and listen for the cops to come looking for us after the people in the neighborhood called them.

Man, we were bad boys. Sometimes I wonder how we survived.

...Since we're confessing...

The scariest thing I ever experienced was one time when that same friend and I were cruising around on this road that has a very long hill that used to bottom out at this green metal bridge that went over a river and what we though was fun was to go down this hill with the speedometer pegged and go through this bridge which seems incredibly narrow at that high a speed then the suspension would bottom out as you hit the hit the hill climbing out of the river basin then you climb this hill until you crested it and at speed you would almost be airborn! What a rush! It was like a rollercoaster ride! This was a good place to take a guy who claimed "He never got scared of anything." You could then introduce them to 'Jelly Knees.'

Anyway, one hot summer day we hit this road, come barreling down the hill, through the bridge, up the hill, over the crest, {still over 100 mph} AND SEE A FARMER ON A TRACTOR WITH A WAGON FULL OF HAY IN THE ROAD GOING ABOUT 5 MPH!!! I had what seems like a millisecond to react and I twitched the wheel over to the other side of the road {luckily there was nobody there!!!} and the left wheels went off the shoulder {big drop} and I manaaged to get it back on the road, it shot across to the other shoulder, {another big drop} and I still managed to get it back on the road and I straighten it out. I looked in the mirror and all I saw was a huge dust cloud and a farmer standing on his tractor waving his fist at me. We went up the road a bit and stopped at a country store because the car started feeling real funny and I found I had a front tire going down. We changed it and later on when I took the tire down there was so much gravel between the tire bead and rim some had even gotten into the wheel.

I often think that if there would have been someone coming the other way that day I would have freight trained him into oblivion. That day charged my life because it was honestly the last time I ever did anything that stupid on the streets. I came to realize that having fun was one thing, but I did not have the right to put other people's live in jeopardy.

Too any young people reading this please remember it is not cool to be stupid, or dead.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 12-04-2002 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've done a little street racing when I was a teen. I won some and lost some. Nothing to brag about really. But the worst story is with my first car. A '77 Mustang II with a 302. I thought that car was fast. until I got caught racing against a '74 Nova. The imbarassing thing is that the cop was keeping up with us! I lost my license for thirthy days and had to pay $350 dollar fine.

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Ben
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65_302
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posted 12-04-2002 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_302   Click Here to Email 65_302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Better than spending a night in jail because you couldn't make bail and your mom wouldn't help. That was in '66 and my first new car. A '65 Silver Blue, 289 2V, 3spd coupe that would haul arse. Won many a street race, but lost the one that counted. I lost the cop that was chasing us and had pulled into a driveway and shut her down. About the time I thought everything was clear and pulled out, here comes the cop. A neighbor had reported us. That was my last street race. March of '66. Went to the AF a week later and sold the coupe. Sure did have some fun before the end though. And the coupe was always good for a few dates too.

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-05-2002 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're not condoning anything Steve, we're just telling stories.

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Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 12-05-2002 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother I had a 2 door 72 olds delta88 black with big blue flames all down the side.It had a mostly stock 455 a 400 trans and the guy we got it from put some gears in it I thinbk they were 3.42 posi.Any ways every one want to race the blue flame car.We were know and still are know as the blue flames brothers.
There was a new guy in town a 70 mav with a mild 302 in it.The guy came up to us at lunch time,we were still in high school I wasn't even 16 yet.So brother drove most of the time.
The real fast cars intown would let the new guys race us first and they ask us how they did.
Well these Mav, guys wouldn't stop buster our balls.SO we said ok,it was to be that Sat night at an area known as the 1/4 mile.A large 4 lane road about 1mile long with no foot traffic on it.
That week I took the car into the auto shop class with me.Were the teacher and I got along weel.mainly because thats were I was all day.
I rebuilt the carb,and the got it to open sooner.I put a shift kit in the trans,and we added duals with glass packs.The carw as running better then ever.We had 12" wide rear tires and still had a ton of wheel spin.So We took wooden blocks and pounded then into the rear coils to make the firm as hell.
Hey it helped out alot,well race day came we put up our $20.And we kicked there *** ,from the start all the way down.Boy were they pissed.

SCOOP
We had 12" wide rear tires and still had a ton of wheel spin.

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Fastymz
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posted 12-05-2002 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 65 mustang alot of the fast guys in this town.Dont no what to think about it.I have a friend of a friend,he runs about 10 second 65.We played one night put he forgot to turn on his fuel pump and I beat him bad.He never told anyone about the fuel pump.So they all think I beat him.
So now when I show up at cruise nights a few of them still ask me,NO REALLY HOW FAST IS THAT CAR.And just to add to it,I never open my hood.

SCOOP

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Dubz
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posted 12-05-2002 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's classic!!

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-05-2002 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Flame bros. LOL
Are you sure you guys weren't know for your Methane "blue flames"?

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-05-2002 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back when I was in my late teens, I had a '66 caprice with a 396/350 (with larger cam, weiand intake,780 holley,headers) turbo 400 with shift kit and 3.42 gears.
It was a fairly fast boat.
One day I street raced a white '64 Plymoth Fury. When the stop light turned green, the Fury lifted 8" in the air and walked away from me. No muss, no fuss. Just fast.
Moral of the story....Some of those old mopars have 426 stage 3 wedges in them.
Combined with the SS rear springs and a good torque flight they are much faster than they look. In fact that was the fastest non Back-Halfed street car I ever ran against.

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n2oMike
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posted 12-05-2002 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember those 'dial up' modem days, and my stories were at the very end of the 'neutral drop' post, so I'll re-post them here...

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:

3)NEVER spot ANYBODY 10 car lenghts on the street!

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Well... That's not really true.

Sometimes, when I was racing a car that I wanted to make money on, I would tell them they could have a 5-10 car length head start...

And they could just watch me in their rearview mirror, and when I left, they could go.

Sure, they were still plenty far ahead when I'd leave, but the time it took for #1 them to notice in their mirror that my car had moved AND #2 react to it and set their car into motion the time differential was more than made up!

That 3/4 second at the starting line was only around a 1/2 to 1 car length (so I was still WAY behind off the line), but at the finish line travelling over 100mph, that 3/4 second is around 8-10 car lengths. (just think how far a car travels in 3/4 second @ 100+ mph)

(pay attention in physics class, it relates to racing REALLY well!)

memories...

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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n2oMike
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posted 12-05-2002 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple stories...

Both of these stories were back before I was using nitrous.

I was fairly unfamilear with the area we were racing, and agreed to line up (heads up) with a 440 Six Pack Roadrunner that had the 6-pack replaced with a single four and nitrous. He was beating about everyone around there at the time. He had a 4.10 gear, I had a 3.89. (I INSISTED we run on radials) Low torque 302 vs. nitroused big block... starting line advantage, mustang!

This dude took us to a LONG stretch of wide straight concrete that went on for a couple miles. We did our burnouts and lined up. I didn't know exactly where the finish line was... (big mistake) It turns out, he figured I might get him off the line, but his nitroused big block would reel me in once we got moving. This must have been the longest race in the world! I bet it went for a half mile or more!!! At the end, even with a 3.89 gear and no bottle, my car was cranked out to 6800 rpm in high gear!!! Crossing the guys at the finish line felt like a jet plane fly-by! Oh yea, how it turned out... On the start, I pulled him about a carlength (just as expected), but that nitroused mopar just didn't have enough Wheaties, as the mustang kept that carlength advantage all the way to the finish line.

Some time later (no bottle) I took some money from a nitroused big block Chevelle, and he sold the car less than a week later.

Fun fun fun...

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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rockafellz
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posted 12-05-2002 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great memories for you guys and GREAT stories!!

n2oMike, I bet he bought a FORD!!

Erik

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rockafellz
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posted 12-05-2002 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I shouldn't post this because we don't want to encourage street racing, but a friend and I used to work at a gas station and we would close it at midnight then he would hop into his metallic green '72 Sportroof and I'd hop into my Sprint and we would go racing down this road that ran by the beach and through a heavily wooded area and we would draft each other so close I still have marks on my urethane bumper from getting too close. We'd be blasting through the curves so hard we'd almost spin out then we'd park in this church parking lot and listen for the cops to come looking for us after the people in the neighborhood called them.

Man, we were bad boys. Sometimes I wonder how we survived.

...Since we're confessing...

The scariest thing I ever experienced was one time when that same friend and I were cruising around on this road that has a very long hill that used to bottom out at this green metal bridge that went over a river and what we though was fun was to go down this hill with the speedometer pegged and go through this bridge which seems incredibly narrow at that high a speed then the suspension would bottom out as you hit the hit the hill climbing out of the river basin then you climb this hill until you crested it and at speed you would almost be airborn! What a rush! It was like a rollercoaster ride! This was a good place to take a guy who claimed "He never got scared of anything." You could then introduce them to 'Jelly Knees.'

Anyway, one hot summer day we hit this road, come barreling down the hill, through the bridge, up the hill, over the crest, {still over 100 mph} AND SEE A FARMER ON A TRACTOR WITH A WAGON FULL OF HAY IN THE ROAD GOING ABOUT 5 MPH!!! I had what seems like a millisecond to react and I twitched the wheel over to the other side of the road {luckily there was nobody there!!!} and the left wheels went off the shoulder {big drop} and I manaaged to get it back on the road, it shot across to the other shoulder, {another big drop} and I still managed to get it back on the road and I straighten it out. I looked in the mirror and all I saw was a huge dust cloud and a farmer standing on his tractor waving his fist at me. We went up the road a bit and stopped at a country store because the car started feeling real funny and I found I had a front tire going down. We changed it and later on when I took the tire down there was so much gravel between the tire bead and rim some had even gotten into the wheel.

I often think that if there would have been someone coming the other way that day I would have freight trained him into oblivion. That day charged my life because it was honestly the last time I ever did anything that stupid on the streets. I came to realize that having fun was one thing, but I did not have the right to put other people's live in jeopardy.

Too any young people reading this please remember it is not cool to be stupid, or dead.


Whew!!

SteveL, drafting?? WOW!! And barreling down a hill?? hehehe I would've $h!t my pants if you took me on a ride like that!!

Erik

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rockafellz
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posted 12-05-2002 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Guys, could someone update me on chevy engines. It seems as if the 396ci motor was the most optimal based on some of the stories posted here. Alex, I noticed you said you never lost to a 454 but came neck and neck with the 396ci engines.

Whatever happened to "no replacement for displacement"? <-- Is that right?

The 283, 327, 350, 396 & 454 are the chevy motors i've heard of. Which motors are the choice of chevy racers?

I know for Fords, the 302-347 and 351C/W-427W are the displacements that most people choose other than the stroked 460-557BBFs.

Erik

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-05-2002 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 396 wasn't the optimal chevy engine, they were just very common. The bad boy was the 427, they had balls, but you didn't see them often. The LS5, LS6, and LS7 454 got alot of respect, too. Most guys I knew had small blocks, though.

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64FalconF-16
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posted 12-05-2002 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My first car was a 69 442. I was 13 when it was brought home. It was a basket case. blown motor dents etc. This was 1977. I did nothing but go to school and work on that car until I turned 16. My Dad was a High School Metal trades teacher and was able to get my car into the body shop class. They won state with the paint job they put on that car. Auto Mechanic shop had it for a while too. Needless to say it was an awesome car for a 16 yr old kid. And ran real fast with a 455.

I street raced that car and won more that I lost. There was this pesky 69 Mustang that would race me every week thinkin his 302 could beat me. He never did. He tried every little trick he could. One day he removed his front sway bar.

I was on my way home from my little grocery store job at around 10:00 pm when he found me. He pulls up next to me and revs his motor. I of course punch the 442 going around a slight curve. He punches his too and can't make the curve (no sway bar)... clips my drivers side qtr panel. My bias ply tires don't hold. I go over the curb into the mud at 50-60 MPH take out a fence row and got t-boned by a telephone pole. The car is totalled. I am in the middle of the country and the guy in the Mustang does not stop.

I passer by picked me up and took me home. My Dad is fit to be tied. The Police want to arrest me for racing. I have Liability insurance and guy in the Mustang has no insurance. Say bye bye to the 442. And hello to a heartbroken 17 yr old.

My next car was a 67 AMC rambler with 6cyl 3 on the tree. Thanks Dad

My street racing career was ended. The next fast car I had (72 Cuda)only raced at the track.

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Rick Austin

64 Pro-Street Falcon
351C 4V 8.1s in 1/8
79 Ford Bronco 4 X 4
400 9.9s in 1/8
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rockafellz
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posted 12-05-2002 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
The 396 wasn't the optimal chevy engine, they were just very common. The bad boy was the 427, they had balls, but you didn't see them often. The LS5, LS6, and LS7 454 got alot of respect, too. Most guys I knew had small blocks, though.


Hey SteveL, the LS5, LS6, and LS7 are all late model motors right? Used in the late camaros and Z06 Corvettes?

Erik

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BlueMule
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posted 12-05-2002 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 64FalconF-16:
My first car was a 69 442. I was 13 when it was brought home. It was a basket case. blown motor dents etc. This was 1977. ...

Have mercy on me, man. Now I really feel like I should be in the geriatric ward. 13 in '77.

anyway... not many old time runs for me. I get my jollys slappin around kids in their Dakota R/Ts and Z/28 Sled-maros with the Lightning. No real smack-down stuff (isn't that what they say?). Just little signal to signal sprints...

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-Paul

70 Mach1
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000

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TurboGT
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posted 12-05-2002 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TurboGT   Click Here to Email TurboGT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, and great stories. I could probably fill a book with street racing experiences. Unfortunately, they are all overshadowed by one event, and last street race that I was ever a part of.

In the mid 80's, I was riding shotgun in my buddy's 455 Cutlass one night, when a lumpety-lump '68 Chevelle pulled up alongside at a stoplight light. Cutlass left lane, Chevelle in the right. This was on a four-lane road heading out of town, so what better place for a race, huh? The light changed, and the race was on. Once my friend was comfortably into high gear, we took a look back to see the Chevelle at about 4 lengths behind, and decided that this would be a good time to shut down, and call it a race.

Unfortunately, the Chevelle driver had a different idea, and decided to do a "fly by", as we were cresting a slight hill. There was a crossroad just beyond the crest, and you guessed it, a vehicle turning into the path of the Chevelle. We had front row seats for the Chevelle's impact at 120+ mph into the back of a van full of elderly people. Amazingly, there were only minor injuries to the occupants, but one very dead '68 Chevelle.

It put a scare in me that will forever haunt me. My buddy and I both vowed at that time to take our racing to the track only, and both of us took up NHRA class racing.

On a lighter note, I learned some very important lessons during my street racing days.

1. Firestone 26 x 6.5 slicks mounted on Supertrick wheels are the hot setup. You must groove the sidewall slightly to apply a painted whitewall to it, and attach factory wheel covers to the Supertricks.

2. The ingenuity of some people to hide their nitrous is truly amazing.

3. Cars can actually do wheelies on the street.

4. A 468 must have been a factory option in any year Chevelle.

5. Propane powered cop cars are slow.

6. Police helicopters with spotlights are fast.

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Mark Walton
'83 Mustang NHRA Stocker (under construction - track debut 2003)
'69 "off brand" NHRA SS/EA

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-05-2002 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
Hey SteveL, the LS5, LS6, and LS7 are all late model motors right? Used in the late camaros and Z06 Corvettes?

Erik


Nope, Chevy re-used the LS-6 name.
The LS-5 (390hp) and LS-6 (450 hp)were factory installed High performance 454s. The LS-7 was a hotter "Crate motor" that probably made about 530hp with headers.
BTW I think Alex had more problems with the '68 - '69 Chevelles Versus the 70-72 models have to do with weight I bet. I think the increasing safety and emissions standards made the later Chevelles heavier.


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My first Mustang was a 1979 5.0 Ghia 4-speed that I bought when I was 17. I put a Torker 289 intake, Holley 600 carb, a Wolverine Blue Racer cam (.472"/.496", 214/224 @.05), headers, and dual exhaust on it. The car was a stripper, not even having the center console... light as a feather (2900# with me in it and 1/2 tank of gas!! ). I took out many 350 powered Camaros and Novas with that car, even with the crappy 4-speed (which incredibly never blew up!). I went through 3 differentials though.. Best thing was that it was a crappy brown color, had a dent in the door, so it was a great sleeper.

My Pace Car has made a few good kills since I modded it up this spring. 2002 GT, 1967 Nova with a nice sounding 350 and a few ricers that thought they could hang. Got my butt handed to me by my roommmate's 1970 Boss 302 though (definitely NOT stock). Gotta take the lumps with the trophies!

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Love all the stories. I've never driven a "fast" car in a street race, but I have raced a few times. First try was in my Mazda MX-6 GT Turbo. I rolled up beside a Porsche 911 Turbo got his attention and let her rip. Yeah...he smoked me really bad without trying.

Next was with the Mazda again, but lined up against an SN95 GT in Tucson. I smoked him off the line and we raced to the speed limit. He must not have been able to drive very well, because he never did get ahead of me.

I was a passenger when one of my high school buddies with a 350 powered Vega decided to race the hillbilly he bought the car from through town. The hillbilly was driving a late 60's Chivvy longbed 2wd. We were on the four lane going through town in the middle of the day (stupid) and we came up behind two cars at about 100 in a 35mph zone, so my buddy takes the turning lane and the hillbilly takes the ditch!!! He wasn't about to let traffic get in his way. Luckily there were no casualties.

But sometimes street racing doesn't come out so well. A couple guys I went to school with were racing home. One in a 455 powered Olds and the other in a mid 60's F-100. The guy in the F truck got squirrely, rolled, was ejected through the windshield, and was crushed between the door (that came open on the first roll) and the fender. It was a closed coffin funeral.


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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
We're not condoning anything Steve, we're just telling stories.


Sorry but yes you are, I got into this on another forum for objecting to glorifying street racing and got called a lot of things. But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.
And I have never street raced and am comfortable objecting to the glorification of it.

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well, I am currently driving on a restricted liscense due to street racing.... I had just finished the paint/body work and installed the new motor. I was at Arby's getting some lunch and when I pulled out of the drive-thru a Viper GTR passed me...well, I caught up with him to catch a glimpse of that sweet car!! Well, a young guy was driving it and he felt the need to jump on me! I put the hammer down and pulled him by about a half a car length...I was out of gear (4.62 at the time) and i'm sure he had several gears left!! We both looked up and saw blue lights coming towards us....to make a long story short I got charged with 93 in a 45 mph zone and willful speed competition! So, at least I can say I've dusted a Viper on the street!!!

P.S. He would have really been in trouble if I would've had the NOS turned on!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Mario428:
Sorry but yes you are, I got into this on another forum for objecting to glorifying street racing and got called a lot of things. But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.
And I have never street raced and am comfortable objecting to the glorification of it.

Hey Mario, it can go either way depending on how you look at it. When someone reading this thread gets all excited and wants to do the same thing, it's not like we pointed a gun to his head to do it. It's his/her choice and DECISION. But I and a few others in some cases have never witnessed or experienced these type of events and to ME it's great to read stories of days gone by. History of street racing and how it was and will never be again. Reading this thread isn't any different from a group of kids talking about street racing at the local McDonalds. In any case, it's harmless compared to a couple of local kids talking about street racing cause you know what, they'll hop right in their car and instigate a race. GUARANTEED!!

It's the readers choice whether or not he chooses to street race due to reading the content of this thread. As many stories as there has been posted, there is equally as many warnings about NOT doing it!!

Just me...

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Street Racing is a fact of life. Weather it's talked about on here or not, it will always be. Just like DWI, drugs and other things in this world. Just my .02. RAY

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But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.

Liberal BS, blah blah blah. Reading about street racing doesn't cause anyone to street race. If I make a post about seeing someone hold up a liquor store, am I influencing the beginners and younger people who read these messages to buy a gun and run to the local 7-11 for some easy money? C'mon. You know better than that. People can make up their own minds. Youth does not automatically revoke decision making rights and abilities. Lighten up. They're just stories. Besides, I haven't heard anyone on here talk about how great street racing is or encourage it on today's roads.

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A lot of us grew up street racing. I raced from the day I got my license until the night I saw the inside of Tulsa's drunk tank (city jail). In those days there were a lot fewer cars on the streets, but that still does not justify what we did. Most of the time we would go to a place out the the way. But light to light street racing was done often. In the years that I did street race here in Tulsa, we never had a fatality on the streets from racing. Seldom had a wreck. You could not do that today. And even if you could, it still is not right, so if done it would be the same today as then. Don't do the crime if can't do the time. Test n tune is way cheaper than a moving violation today. Go to the track where there are fewer cars.

My son has 2 fast cars at his disposal. He knows the possible consequences of street racing. He has made the choice that ALL racing is done at the track. Until recently I seemed to want to regain the glory days of light to light street racing. Well, let it be known that those days are long gone. At least in this town they are. This and other threads about street racing are just ways to dream about "the good ole days" and the days when driving a fast car was more a right of passage than any thing else.

I hope no one takes anything said here as condoning street racing because that was never the intent.

Sorry for the long post, but I just had to say my peace.

For now, I think I will go take the coupe for a nice cruise around town and dream of days gone by.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mario428:
Sorry but yes you are, I got into this on another forum for objecting to glorifying street racing and got called a lot of things. But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.
And I have never street raced and am comfortable objecting to the glorification of it.

You are right, and I worry that we may be glorifying this to our younger readers. All I can say is that this was our past and I hope the younger members are smart enough to realize how stupid it was then and is now.

I had a classmate in high school that rolled his Challenger during a race and a passenger was ejected and the car came to rest on him, killing him. My former classmate has to live with that on his heart.

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heh heh, some good stories. Im only 19, but i have A TON of memorys with my 66. I dont think i will be doing much street racing though, i have 3 points on my lisence now, a $1400 racing ticket due march, and still didnt finish coming up with the cash to finish building the new engine thats going in.

One thing though that was scary though that kinda scares me about the rain is that one nights 2 of my friends and i were getting on the freeway with a windy on ramp on the way to the cruise night, my 2nd gear on my 3 speed was gone so i got into 3rd from 1st, but it wasnt getting up to speed like i wanted so i double clutched it, next thing i know my car starts fish tailing on me, to my right a 40 or so foot drop, to the left traffic, i was fighting it, then just when i though it was under control it just went completly around on me, sliding over a curb (with sparks flying everywhere) seperating me from the same moving traffic which ended up putting me facing the oncoming traffic that i was supposed to be moving with. Since we were all ok, i began flashing my highs so people would realize where i was, it took my friends and i a couple of seconds to figure out how to get going the right way again, I just ended up backing up and turning the car around, started going the right way and the car felt fine to my surprise, didnt even pull to anysides, or vibrate. I just put new rims though 3 days before so i was all bummed out, expecting them to be all messed up. When we got to the hang out spot, nothing was wrong with the car, just a bent traction bar (probably was what saved my exaust system). Man, did i have a smile.

The crazy part is that all 3 of us in the car were all laughing about it when we were still facing the wrong way of traffic, it wasnt till i got home and ready for bed that i realized what really happened and that anything, even death could have been the result that night. Man, my car and i have been through a lot, it kills me that i cant drive her now (finishing up a new engine for her), hopfully one more week and she will come roaring to life!

Even my friends miss that car, especially since they havent seen her for like 3-4 months since she is in my garage.

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posted 12-06-2002 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love these stories. I've been street racing for over 20 years, its quite a big part of the culture here in the Detroit area. No matter how wrong it is it will be very difficult to eliminate it here. The best rule is safety first, when it doubt shut it down, never go over 100MPH.

I have so many racing stories, so I guess I'll just share the one where 2 cars followed me out of a McDonald's parking lot where a little muscle car auto show was being held. The first car was a 1971 white firebird with a 455 and the second one was a 1967 GTO with a 400. I was driving my 1969 fastback w/4 speed and 4.11's, and a hopped up 302 (600 DP, Edelbrock RPM, big cam, ported GT-40 heads).
Dusted the Firebird from a roll and then the GTO pulls up to the next light and says "you ready for a real race?". I just nodded and walked him by 3 car lengths. Best 2 for one race I have experienced. It took all of 4 minutes. Little 302's are awfully quick on the street with gears.

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quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
You are right, and I worry that we may be glorifying this to our younger readers. All I can say is that this was our past and I hope the younger members are smart enough to realize how stupid it was then and is now.

I had a classmate in high school that rolled his Challenger during a race and a passenger was ejected and the car came to rest on him, killing him. My former classmate has to live with that on his heart.



Having worked for 2 years for Reno PD.I have been on both sides of the fence of this issue.I hope the younger group are old enough to know right from worng already.Racing on the street is a large risk,not only to yourself but to many others too.I have never had the fun racing that I had at the Track this last year.
I'd like to think we all can handle the FACT the street racing is as big apart of Hotrodding,and fast cars as a motor is.
I would not be happy to find my son was out racing on the street anymore then my dad was.


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I had a '69 Roadrunner from 1969 to 1972 and never Street Raced it...

And I never INHALED EITHER..

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Great stories people. I have lots of cool street racing stories from the 70's to recall, but the thing I remember most back then was you only had to be 18 to drink and cops used to drag race us with their 440 Interceptors. Heck, even tow trucks would drag once in a while. I had a 70 Hemi 'Cuda back then..............quick car! Oh to be young again! LOL Bill

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Originally posted by Mario428:
Sorry but yes you are, I got into this on another forum for objecting to glorifying street racing and got called a lot of things. But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.
And I have never street raced and am comfortable objecting to the glorification of it.

Yeah, you're right Mario. I suppose Davey Crockett caught a bunch of sh*t from some "group" or another when he told all of those indian a$$ whoopin' stories too.

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Then there was the time in '66 when I beat a Hipo in a street race with my little 200hp 3pd. Did it twice. Told the guy to turn off his A/C next time and he might win . Then there was the time when my bud in his 383 Belvedre......................good night folks.

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I've never had a dedicated drag car, so most of my on track racing was oval track.In germany we ran a mini-stocker on a 1/4 mi dirt. When I got home, my cousin and I teamed up on a couple of late model stocks, first a Boss 429 powered 71 mustang on a home built chassis we originally built for pavement but got legislated out of business and forced to run dirt for awhile with limited success. It was frustrating to have so much power and not be able to hook it to the track. Then we ran a 351 Boss until health/money issues put us out of business. Then I found out about go-karts and had a ball. I already knew about chassis, so I built the first offset chassis around, put a B-bomb on it and won six of thirteen races my first season. It was a ball. The only drag racing I ever did was on the street or the occasional trip 40 miles to a freaking track to sit in line half a day to make three runs just to find out what actual elapsed times my street cars ran. I won brackets once with the Tourino and made final round once with the AMX and went up in smoke when the guy in front of me dumped 12 qts of atf on the line and the starter wouldn't let me switch lanes. So that crap was frustrating too, because I found my rock hard street tires didn't grip nearly as well at the track as they did on the street, and here I was at the track but couldn't watch the fast cars run for sitting in line all day! Bottom line, the chance meeting with the local hotshot who always had more money in his rig and a bigger motor was sweet victory. My brother-in-law still speaks with awe about the time we raced a 396/350hp Chevelle across 133 from Williamsburg to Bethel ( about 5 miles )in my 351/290hp Tourino. I'd followed him through town and when we hit the open road he nailed it. On the straights I could get up beside him but had to tuck back in behind as we hit blind curves. As we neared town I looked at Dan and declared," That stinking Joe in his Chev is not beating me to Bethel!" With that I went to the outside in a big sweeping bend and passed him to lead him into town. He was so stunned all he could do was stammer. My brother-in-law and my wife never let me forget my stupidity, and I thank God every day I never wrecked a car or caused anyone harm with any of my stunts!

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Only had one Top-end Street Race. I lost (had him off the line and for most of the race, but he had the gearing.) , And when we started to come up a the cross road (Highway 12), went to stop
had the brake pedal to the Floor, and the car wasn't slowing. That had to be the worse feeling in the world, luckily the brakes grabbed and we stopped before we crossed the highway.


that was right after I got my License. Luckily I managed to get all that stupidity out of my system early, and managed to not kill myself (or anyone else) in the process.

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Later I'll tell you guys about some of out "flying mile" races on the Chicago Skyway where the "spots" were distances between street light poles.

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The best rule is safety first, when it doubt shut it down, never go over 100MPH. [/B]

One of the best times I have had at the track was this past year. The Track I normally raced at decided to stay open for street racers. On Friday and Saturdays they would stay open from 12:00 AM till 4:00 AM for street racers. $5.00 a car.

They would run immediate green on the tree. Stage then....Green. No times were displayed. There were rumors of a sub 5 sec street car that the track folks timed.

The night I went there had to have been 200 cars show up some on trailers, some were legends in the Dallas Street racing scene that never raced at a normal track event.

Tons and Tons of Laughing gas. N20 heaven.

There was gambling going on.... Like normal. There were some real fast cars there too. I ran my Falcon a couple of times. Won 1 lost 1. All of the street racers behaved themselves. Denton County PD was onsite and did not hassle them unless they got out of hand. They also had an EMT onsite that the track paid for.

The main thing was it was fun and it was safe.
I did not realize there was such a large sub-culture in Dallas. I had seen them before, late at night racing on a remote stretch of road several times.

I believe they still have this program going at the Denton Raceway. Not sure since I have moved. It is a great idea. Wish more tracks took the time out to do this. It is almost a community service. And it was BYOB. Standing rule. You drink you don't race. If they caught you that is.

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Hey Rick (64Falcon),

That's a really good idea about Denton's racetrack. If only the local CA tracks did the same thing. "Stage then Green" is true stoplight street racing too.

What are the chances of proposing this to Sears or Sacramento raceway and having it approved? To me it sounds like a great idea!!

For some odd reason in my head, I doubt it would pass. I think the Bay Area, CA police earn more $$$ by handing out tickets to the local street racers. To me, I really think the local police don't mind since they can hit their quota more easily with all the rice rockets racing on the streets and freeways.

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I think that Sears Point Might do instant green. They do it at Las Vegas

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Originally posted by Glens67:
I think that Sears Point Might do instant green. They do it at Las Vegas


Morning Glen, COOL!! I may have to invest in a car trailer soon!! Either that or just rent a trailer when I plan to take it to the track.

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I think that Sears Point Might do instant green. They do it at Las Vegas. I will ask Georgia.

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Sacramento has "grudge" nights. If you don't want your time displayed, you just write "no time" on your window and they will keep it a secret. It's a fun time with losts of fast street cars, like 8 sec 1/4 milers.

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posted 12-09-2002 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by steve'66:
Sacramento has "grudge" nights. If you don't want your time displayed, you just write "no time" on your window and they will keep it a secret. It's a fun time with losts of fast street cars, like 8 sec 1/4 milers.

SteveW


I need to go there,I'd like to keep my times a secret too.

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posted 12-09-2002 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've come to believe the biggest problem with getting street racers to the track is the safety requirements after talking to some of the local guys. Most of them don't meet the standards for the time they're running.

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posted 12-10-2002 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MrWesson22:
I've come to believe the biggest problem with getting street racers to the track is the safety requirements after talking to some of the local guys. Most of them don't meet the standards for the time they're running.



That's just it. No times are displayed. NHRA and IHRA rules are not in effect. The cars don't go through an inspection. However every person that comes through the gates has to sign a waiver form Not holding the track liable for any accidents.

The main thing is to get the kids off the street and to the track to race. It also promotes drag racing as I have seen some of these guys get their cars up to standards and race in a program as well.

At Denton, quite a few of the regulars stay after their programs to race the street racers. They see a real Legal race car and I think it peaks their interest.

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posted 12-10-2002 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 64FalconF-16:
That's just it. No times are displayed. NHRA and IHRA rules are not in effect. The cars don't go through an inspection. However every person that comes through the gates has to sign a waiver form Not holding the track liable for any accidents.

The main thing is to get the kids off the street and to the track to race. It also promotes drag racing as I have seen some of these guys get their cars up to standards and race in a program as well.

At Denton, quite a few of the regulars stay after their programs to race the street racers. They see a real Legal race car and I think it peaks their interest.

Rick


Okay, I didn't understand that. Commerce will refrain from posting your time if you wish (as all street racers do), but they still know what you run - you still get a timeslip. And they still hold you to the standards. Don't all tracks always make you sign a waiver freeing them from responsibility? I know Commerce does even for spectators. If they don't make you fit the safety standards, I think that would be quite effective in getting the racers off the streets and onto the tracks.


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posted 12-10-2002 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a friend of mine we called "Loud Mouth Mike". He had a host of race cars all named Chevyweiser. His dad had a cream yellow 70 Caprice 4 door that he had left to him when he passed away. It was a 350/300 4v car with a turbo 400 and a 12 bolt. Pretty loaded nice car for 1973. Mike was a Shell station mechanic by trade and a pretty decent one. One night on the streets after a few too many adult beverages, he was goaded into racing 69 Cadillac for $20. I knew this Caddy and it was pretty fast. With a Holley 800 spread bore DP topped 472, some ignition and exhaust work, and a small gear it was mid 14 capable. The Caprice I'm guessing was in the low 16 range. Well Mike got beat. The Caddy man offered him a two car length spot for another $20 and beat him again. This of course embarrased Loud mouth Mike to no end. During the week, Mike did some work to the Caprice. He curved the distributor, installed a Holley spread bore, replaced the quadrabog, added some dumps, and a 4.88 gear in the 12 bolt to round out the package now.
Friday came and he was Caddy hunting. After much trash talk, $100 was locked up and Mike raced the Caddy. He won. Throughout the weekend at seveal different street race hang outs Mike raced several of the boyz with "big cars" and beat most. One that he couldn't was a 66 Pontiac Catalina with a 421 and tri power. (claimed to be a 389 with a 4v)This guys nickname was "Country" and he was a well know street racer with many cars. Well he suckered Mike in real good and beat him twice, by just enough.
That Sunday we all went to US 30 dragstrip and Mike brought the Caprice. With some tall 8 inch slicks and the dumps open it ran mid 14's (as I expected). Mike figured it was a high 13 second car, but was wrong. Dissapointed he went home early. Come Monday, it was off to the speed shop and trans guy. A full manual valve body and a set of bick block headers later Mike was back at his Shell station. He pulled the 427 L-88 out of his high ten second Camaro race car and installed it into the Caprice.
He was determined to be the baddest of the big cars on the street.
Friday night arrives and we all gathered at one of the primary hot spots. Mike's Caprice now shakes, rattles, and rolls incredibly. He has to click the engine and slide to a stop not to arise any suspision as it sounds to tough. COuntry arrives with his Catalina and the trash talk begins with a fervor. They signify back and forth about each others mothers, and othe family members. Finally the sum of $500 is agreed upon and the race is on. I help Mike with the tire pressures as he opens the headers. I gave him some coaching as he is not much of an automatic driver. When the Caprice fires up it sounds like a Pro Stock and drowns out the dump equiped Pontiac.
The two line up and after a few typical false starts they are off. The Pontiac has the lead for what seems to be half the course. Then the Caprice comes on and blows on by like a tornado. We collect the money and celebrate. The cops come by and turn on the fire hydrants to chase us away so we move on to another hot spot. Mike is now full of confidence and begins serious trash talk.
Against my advice, Mike locks up a run with Country's cousin and his 71 Grand Prix. You see Mike did not understand that his car needed a stall speed converter and was leaving the line like a bus. He felt that he had so much top end power that he could overcome the poor start. (chebbie guys ) COuntry's cousin nick named CW was a drug dealer with a LOT of money. He had dozens of cool cars and raced most of them. The Grand Prix had a trick east coast Nunzi 455, TH-400 with a switch pitch stall speed, gears, headers, etc. It was a bonafied high 12 second car.
We moved on to another secluded area (by now it was close to 4:00 AM) and CW showed with the Grand Prix. It sounded great. Both cars gummed up (street race slang for installing slicks) and on corked the headers. The race was for another $500 and this time I did not participate in the wager. The two cars staged and Mike left first by jumping. The Grand Prix caught him before second gear.
The Caprice came back strong, but there was just not enough room. Dejected we all went home.
Saturday morning Mike calls me at work and askes if I can curve the distributor and dyno the Carpice. I tell him to bring it over after 12:00 and I'll see what I can do.
I spun the Mallory dual point that was in the Camaro's 427 and altered the curve to something more condusive to the automatic as I remember. Then up on the rollers and I power timed the engine to about 42 degrees total. With some additional minor carb work on the 850 Holley the car was about 100% more responsive now. I pulled the car off of the dyno and out on to Grand Ave. It ran a ton better but still left like sh*t. Mike took it for a ride as was impressed as hell. I told him that it was still lame and needed a converter. He said he planed on putting the engine back in the Camaro the following week and did not want to invest in a stall speed. Later that night it was back to one of the street hot spots (this is what we did ALL summer long gang)and there was a huge crowd. Two of the REAL big guns (trailered cars) were talking up a high dollar race and the news had spread. (another story)While that was going on CW and COuntry showed up with the Grand Prix. They started in on us right away bragging about their new clothes that Mike and company had paid for. Soon Mike arrived with the Caprice a group of friends in tow and a cooler full of Bud.
The trash talk got very heated and Mike now cocky was right back in their faces. Next thing you know, they were offering three car lengths for $1000. Mike took me on the side and asked what I had thought. I told him that we needed 5 car lengths. He then asked me if I would be willing to drive as I was a better street race and automatic driver anyway. I agreed and we went back to negotiating. About an our of bullsh*t later, we had a 4 car length spot and a $5000 pot.
By now the crowd was huge. Well over 3-4 thousand people had gathered as it was a nice warm summer night in Chicago. We elected to move to a more secluded spot, and many of the group followed us.
After cooling down some, and getting the cars prepared, the course was mapped out and the money holders were sent to the indicated finish line.
I slid on the velour seat behind the wheel of the Caprice and hit the key. It sounded great as it should have. One of the things that I had done was pump the slicks up a few pounds to try and help the big tank get going. We both started our burn outs and as I dry hopped I knew that I was in trouble. Remember that Mike had installed a full manual reverse pattern valve body? Well this was a column shift car and it took some talent to shift this thing backwards. FIrst gear was where drive used to be, second was in the middle and third was now where low used to be.
As I short hopped I would throw it back up into neutral to clear the carb and engine out each time. That's when it hit me. "SH*T! I'll just snatch this bastard into gear!"
The 4 car spot was given up and the flag man took his place. I had the Caprice idling in neutral and I could hear Country brake torquing the Grand Prix against the converter. I looked ahead and could see hundreds of spectators lining either side of the street pouring out from the side walks.
This was going to be one heck of a show.
The flag man pointed to him, then me, and all in one motion I revved the car up to 6 grand, jerked the column shifter into first, and floored it! We were off with a legal start and we had a race. They say that I lifted the left front wheel over six inches off the ground and the car left like a bullit. I was just happy that there wasn't 12 bolt parts scattered all over behind me.
With the tremendous top end power of the 427, and a decent leave it was all over. I beat the Grand Prix by about 6 or 7 car lengths. (I should have lifted some but I had a lot of my own money bet on the race and didn't want to take any chances)
There was some discussion on the top end and it took a bit of arguing to get paid as the boyz were kind of dumb founded. They could not understand how they had been beaten so badly and wanted to talk to their driver. Bottom line is we did get paid!
We stayed up all night which was the norm and went to Oswego Dragstrip on SUnday. I had gone home to get MM in between. I made one pass in the Caprice using the same driving tecnique and ran 12.40 with it. Mike drove it twice leaving off of the brake and could not get it out of the low 13's. He finally tried to neutral drop it and ran a 12.60. He was impressed. On his second neutral drop attempt he scattered the 12 bolt on the starting line. Good thing he towed the car to the track with his company tow truck. I explained to him that you have to finess these cars when you do a neutral drop, but he never got it.
Ahhh, the good old simple fun days.

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posted 12-10-2002 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It must have been fun to have those kind of organized gatherings. We were just a bunch of punks that did our business and split before the cops came.

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posted 12-10-2002 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It kept us out of the bars and pool halls.

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posted 12-10-2002 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Steve around here is was more like a bunch of punks hanging out.
I would have loved to have been a part of that back then.

Your storys are just too cool.
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posted 12-15-2002 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chevy enemy   Click Here to Email chevy enemy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mario428:
Sorry but yes you are, I got into this on another forum for objecting to glorifying street racing and got called a lot of things. But you senior members of these forums do not realize the impact you have on the beginners and younger people who read these messages.
And I have never street raced and am comfortable objecting to the glorification of it.

i probably should be saying this on the newer post but just because the older members are talking about the good old days of street racing doe not mean us younger members are going to go out and have planned street races. yes i probably will do a little light to light racing but exactly what is wrong with that. and i am not doing it cause i read this topic i am doing it cause it is a decision I made

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