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Topic: Here we go again
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 922
From: along the great muddy river in Iowa
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-13-2001 12:59 PM
   
First, a little update from last weekend. I lost in the second round in top, and lost in the semi finals in mod. I changed rear coil-over springs(went softer) and now the car leaves like s**t. So I currently am tied for 6th in poionts in mod and tied for 10th in top.
Now for the bad news, during my weekly maint., I found a LOT of water in the pan (again). So, I am figuring I cracked another cylinder. I already took another block down to the shop(the block I cracked at the start of the year) to have it sleeved.
For this weekend, I dumped alot of sealant into the cooling system just to try and slow down the leaking a little bit to get me thru the Summernats.
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John Holloway
Gearhead Posts: 278
From: Romeoville Illinois
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 06-13-2001 05:17 PM
Gosh Kid,Your having a tough year,plus expensive
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 2290
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-13-2001 05:40 PM
Good luck Kid, hope the glue holds for you 'til you get the sleeved block back. At least you're having fun building motors.  SteveW
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Big D
Gearhead Posts: 1046
From: Wells, Nevada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 09:07 AM
That's what I like about you Steve, you know how to make a guy feel good... Good Luck Rob... Hope your engine holds through SummerNatl's... Don ------------------
Previously Known As Don H McDonald
Brilliant Blue 1966 2+2
Soon To Be 302 w/5spd
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SG236
Gearhead Posts: 162
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 09:12 AM
Lots a luck on the current engine Kid. Darn you may have to come to the realization that those blocks won't take a lot of HP and switch over the the 385 series like myself.------------------
Russ Hood
70s Maverick S/Pro
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kwazykat
Moderator Posts: 3187
From: orange county, nc , M&M member #92
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-14-2001 09:55 AM
hey you..... on yer points standings. keep it up!
kk [This message has been edited by kwazykat (edited 06-14-2001).]
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 922
From: along the great muddy river in Iowa
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by SG236:
Lots a luck on the current engine Kid. Darn you may have to come to the realization that those blocks won't take a lot of HP and switch over the the 385 series like myself.
Nope, I wont go to a 385 series, just like the fact I refuse to run a powerglide. I dont want all that extra weight on the nose of the car. For the ET I want to run, it is not necessary to go to a big block. What I need to do is fill a block and get a better rod to stroke ratio and run some lighter parts and take some of the side load stress off the cylinder walls. Besides, I had gone 3 years without breaking any cylinder walls, so I was due for some breakage, just maybe not this much. [This message has been edited by kid vishus (edited 06-14-2001).]
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Fordwiser
Journeyman Posts: 28
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 05:39 PM
Maybe you would be money and time ahead to have all eight sleeved! :-) Goodluck this weekend! Hope it seals! Roger
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ragtopjr
Gearhead Posts: 1549
From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-14-2001 07:06 PM
Good luck Rob  I hope this weekend goes well and congrats on the points standings ------------------
Ed
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1984 5.0L LX Conv 3600 lbs 13.41 at 101.89 SIR
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SG236
Gearhead Posts: 162
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-15-2001 12:49 PM
Kid, I ran my cleveland for 9 years with ET's in the 6.70s@103 in the 1/8th before I decided I needed to go 6.30s. My problems began when the ProMod guys got ahold of my heads and had the block decked. When I had everything put back together and fired it up my dad said "that thing sounds like a pro stock engine" and he was right. I think I had too much hp for that block, maybe I'm wrong. I went from a 1.47 60ft to a 1.29 60ft but never made a good full pass before breaking the thing. I wished I'd just put new rings and bearings in the thing and raced happily for the next five years ------------------
Russ Hood
70s Maverick S/Pro
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 922
From: along the great muddy river in Iowa
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-18-2001 08:29 AM
I believe there is a point where the factory block wonbt take the power the motor can make, but I dont believe 6.30's is anywhere close to that level. I have a buddy with a 377 cleveland in a tube chassis falcon, it runs 6.30's and he has used the same block for over five years now without ever hurting it. But he runs a really long, light rod with very light pistons. We also have a guy show up at Eddyville who runs a C in a mustang II with our local stick shift club, using a factory block the car runs mid 5.40's.
Last year when my 6.30 motor broke, I believe it wasn't due to the power level. It was due to my poor ability to check clearances properly. The 3 cylinders that cracked were the same 3 that the pistons hit the combustion chambers in very hard.
And now for the update; the gunk in the cooling system stopped the water leak. But I couldn't slow the d**n thing down enuff to get on the other side of the 10.90 index and proceeded to lose in the first round by breaking out more than the guy in the other lane. 10.81 on the brakes taking 8 mph off, with the secondaries unhooked.
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SG236
Gearhead Posts: 162
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-18-2001 08:59 AM
Kid, Guess I am wrong. I think the problem also with my celveland is that the shop did not torque the mains. Check this. When I tore down the motor the crank broke at the front two cylinders, it had Eagle ESP 5.8 rods in the motor and the front two were bent....the main bolts could be turned with a closed end wrench with not much pressure with the back two being the exception. The front two main bolts were stretched but the rest were not. Don't know if the shop forgot to torque them or not, at least they won't admit to it. 5.40s with a cleveland? I'd like to know that combo.
Later,
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Russ Hood
70s Maverick S/Pro
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 922
From: along the great muddy river in Iowa
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-18-2001 09:20 AM
Those guys are pretty hush hush about their motor combo, but I do know it has two dominators on a tunnel ram intake. They told me once it was 410 c.i.'s, but with the amount of rpm they turn, I kinda doubt it. It is an old pro stock car and they use a Lenco, so it isn't a normal "bracket" car.
As for my buddies combo, he has a 3.7 stroke Crower crank, 6.125 billet Oliver rods with custom C&A pistons on them. I think 2 of his pistons weigh less than one of mine does.
Russ, I think if yours was block failure, it would have blown out the side of a cylinder, not broke the crank. The last motor I had put together in a shop blew up on the 7th pass, they never installed the oil restrictors. That was the last time I paid some one else to put a motor together for me. At least this way, if it blows up I know who to blame, ME.
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SG236
Gearhead Posts: 162
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-18-2001 10:29 AM
Hey I feel the same way. The next one I have will be built in my garage so it it does blow it's my own fault and I didn't pay out a bunch of cash. Mine only lasted 12 passes and I'm still steaming at their high and mighty attitude about the whole mess.------------------
Russ Hood
70s Maverick S/Pro
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Fordwiser
Journeyman Posts: 28
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-19-2001 05:57 PM
Hey kid, maybe the car doesn't want to slow down, it wants to run Super Gas/Super rod!
:-) Roger
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Ken&Shell
Gearhead Posts: 143
From: Mocksville, NC
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-19-2001 08:39 PM
Hey kid, that is awesome be in the top in both classes. That is a real serious accomplishment. Sounds like I need to pick your brain a little too. We feel the same way about the Glide that you do.. Ford Pride I think is what ya call it.. Have you
had problems with your transmissions too or just motor problems?Shell
ladyracer
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 922
From: along the great muddy river in Iowa
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-19-2001 09:59 PM
Last year was the first time I had problems with my C4 and that was due to making more power and finding the next weak link in the transmission. This year, I broke the tailshaft housing but it wasnt due to the trans, it was due to a balance problem in the driveshaft. Then at the first divisional race it pushed the o-ring out of the reverse servo cover. But for the most part all I have actually broke this year has been motors. As for running a powerglide, I tried that last year, it slowed the car down almost 3 tenths in the 1/8. My little motor doesnt make enuff torque to make a 'glide work.
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