posted 07-13-2000 02:38 AM               

First let me thank all that helped us decide the engine combo for the 351w! The initiall results of the first Weds. night drags went very well and we're HAPPY and encouraged! We made 3 pratice runs before bracket racing and 5 runs during eliminations. Larry Jennings was present for the first two runs in 85 degree weather. I took the car to the track 'cause Melissa had to work late (so I entered it in Street Class - 97 cars entered),I took it on it's first trip down the 1/4. The old man (me) ran a 13.84 @ 101.67. Then Melissa showed up and ran two 13.9s. We dialed it in at 13.8 and she ran four 13.8s in a row in eliminations, On the fifth round her opponent red lighted so she gave it ALL and ran a 13.54 @ 104.2 mph! So we changed the dial in to 13.5 for the next (semi-final round) and she drew the left lane (all prior runs were in the right lane) which some Chebbie just puked oil all over and she ran a 13.78! She had him beat on r/t but....oh well! The plugs read lean, we know we need more fresh air and fatter jets. Also the 60'ers sucked! 2.2-2.3's. It was a late and especially gratifying night. One guy said to Melissa "you gotta get your Dad to buy you some decent tires!" My response was that's how you break things! Yeah it's capable of more and we'll get it down there, but it's everything we were hoping for. A great maiden voyage! Thanks again.

SteveW

posted 07-13-2000 10:58 PM               

We appreciate the kind words! Eddie, the carb is a 750 holley vac secondary with an added secondary metering block. Running a 35 squirter, pink accelerator pump cam, 68 jets in the front and 78s in the back. It's too lean now, so next time we'll try 72s in front and 78s in the rear. The vac. secondaries are using the lightest yellow spring and seem to come in smoothly at about 3000 rpm.

Alex, the hood is only about 1" above the choke horn of the holley and we need more fresh air! A 3" cowl fiberglass hood is on the list. Also, the rear pushes to the right on launch (in other words the car points to the left) which traction bar do I raise or lower? Thanks again!

posted 07-25-2000 01:36 PM               

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Looks like you got yourself a genuine 12 second street car Steve. That is one hell of an accomplishment. Good job! Think about some 8.5 x 26.0 Mickey Thompson slicks on 15 x 7 or 8 steel wheels (aluminum would be better but more costly). They will hook real well but if you keep the air pressure up a bit,(20 lbs or so) they won't break anything. A little tuning and 12.50's or better. I guarantee it! Alex

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Alex, I run 8.5 x 26's on my capri. But I run 11#'s of pressure in them. They hook great. My 60ft times are 1.686-1.700 usually. (I run 3.5 gears right now and thinking of changing them) Do you think I should be running more air in my back slicks?

posted 08-06-2000 01:03 AM               

Yeah she's all of 100 pounds But there's no racing for us this week or next, because of the NHRA racing at Sears Point this weekend. We spent the day out there as spectators, and after watching Joe Amato and John Force the 8 second cars looked sooooo slooooow It's all relative isn't it? The people who haven't tried to run 12's with their street car have NO idea how hard it really is! At least at Sears Point, all the racers were complaining about the track. How was Hot August Nights? We didn't make it this year.

posted 09-14-2000 12:59 AM               

Man you drug up an old post! The stang has progressed to 12.83 @ 110.3 mph,with my 17 year old daughter at the stick of the 4 speed. Anyway M&M gets the credit, Alex and others suggested the correct recipe and it all worked out great. We have the h.p. for low 12s but still have some suspension challenges! These guys are exceptional gurus and I wouldn't build a motor w/o running the combo by them first! In a nutshell the engine is a balanced and b/p'd 351w D4 block w/ l/w forged trw race pistons, arp bolts, 10-1 comp, edelbrock performer heads (2.02 intakes)out of the box (not ported) with a 282S comp cam solid, with crane roller rockers and toped off with a 750 vac adv Holley, and a Crane box with the rev limiter. We kicked butt on a guy with an '88 'stang tonight with a Vortex blower @ 9.5 # boost he was running 13.23s! The late model Chebbie z-28's are childs play. A couple dedicated chebbie men actually bowed to Melissa and said "this is the only Mustang I respect" along with "maybe" our buddy and his '67 428cj fastback that runs a best of 12.44 @ 110 mph. What can I say, we're having fun in this "chebbie town" we used to call Sonoma, CA! May the ford and M & M gods rule the earth

posted 09-14-2000 02:14 AM               

Steve...rear end should rise, just not too quickly or too far. You may need very stiff shocks such as the Monroe Gas Magnum truck shocks (application:front of an 81 F250 4x4 as i recall) as car application shocks dont have anywhere near enough extension damping.

The front should rise easier than the rear if its ever gonna hook. 90/10 shocks are necessary ,some can be adjusted simply.
My car rides like some pillowy pimpmobile , but i dont drive it on the bumpy streets. :\

posted 09-15-2000 12:23 AM               

Thanks for the tip. What do ya think of Rancho 5000's or maybe the adjustable 9000's these are seriously dampened (non gas) 50/50 shocks made for 4/4's. I wonder if they have a shock that'll fit?? Maybe for the truck application that you mentioned. I'll check if you folks think it's the way to go. I love your comment about the pillowy pimpmobile, and that is a concern. Would you do that to your 17 year old's daily driver? Oh, life is full of comprimises. Maybe get her a Ranger for a commuter and a trailer for the '66!! Now we're talking!!
Thanks again for Everyones Help!

posted 09-15-2000 12:33 PM               

The Rancho 9000 # 9204 is stud mounted top and bottom 18.65" extended and 11.29" collapsed!! BINGO Thanks Marcus

SteveW

posted 09-17-2000 05:19 PM               

Yes Alex, they are double stud design as stock is AFAIK. I don't think they have a site with info. www.ranchoshocks.com says its "coming" I got the info from David Cole, I think Jon Clavert recommends the rancho's when you buy his cal-tracs..
If you do find a site with specs, let me know please

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Marcus
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68 Mustang, still in purgatory.
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posted 09-18-2000 03:56 AM               

well...i don't have a 17 year old daughter, but if ya got one to lend.....

the only thing that would concern me about driving my car on the road is the .0000001" rear tire clearance and the soft front springs and very little travel to the bump stops, and LOW headers!My shocks settle back down very quickly without bounce.

posted 09-18-2000 02:48 PM               

I have a 68 coupe with a 289 that has a best of 12.93 @ 106 and and 1.91 60" times naturally aspirated. This thing just sucks off the line and I feel my problems are in my distributor. Adnance not coming in soon enough. I am running a mallory unilite with a MSD 6a box.

posted 09-18-2000 03:55 PM               

I think you're in the same boat as us. Shave .2 off the 60'er and you'll take .3 off the e.t. The 106 mph says you're making good h.p. Do you have a traction problem, or a bog? Can you run slicks in your class? How about a higher stall speed?

posted 09-18-2000 04:13 PM               

Our "problem" is lots of bottom end torque and getting it to hook up. Sounds like you've got the bite, but less bottom end. Advancing the cam will give you some bottom end at the expense of the top end. A 3500 stall convertor would keep the engine up in its power curve. I wanna step aside and let the experts give you some advice. Alex for one has been there and done that with the 289 and auto.

posted 09-19-2000 01:40 PM               

balanced assembly, Windsor Sr heads, Performer RPM intake, Holly 650 dbl pumper with 1" spacer, holley blue fuel pump with regulator ( 6 psi), FMS cam 472 int & 296 exh. lift. Unilite distributor, initial timing is at 18. Not sure of total at this point. Put new balancer on and don't have new tape on it yet. windage tray. Had timing as high as 21 initial but ran hot as hell. C4 with TCI street fighter converter, 4:62 gears on a spool. crossing the line at 6k. Carb is running 50 cc accel pump with black cam. 71 pri and 76 sec jets.. With the timing bumpeds to 21 it got off the line better.
I also ordered the advance curve kit for this distributor and will be playing with that tommorow at the track.

I have kept a faily decent log of the things I have changed and the biggest difference was the accelerator pump cam on the pri side. This help a lot off the line but it still seems limp.

posted 09-20-2000 02:51 PM               

the compression is likely nowheres near 12.5:1 with the 64cc Windsor Sr heads, they usually rate them with 54 cc heads.
This may be a case where cutting the dome down helps power even tho it lowers CR.The quality of gas is another factor.

Cam is way to small and convertor needs to be much higher stall speed, or better yet a manual trans