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sprcoop
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posted 09-24-2000 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am looking for some 69' or 70' 351 Windsor heads to build my 302 with. Steve was kind enough to supply some part numbers and these are one of the recommended heads.

They are on Ebay for $90 and it would cost me $60 in shipping. Supposedly they need a valve job and maybe some guide work. They have been magnafluxed.

I'm having a tough time coming up with some in Tucson and I know they will be a min of $100. I've had people on the lookout in Phoenix also.

The auction ends on Mon and nobody has bid. Should I go for it or hold out for local and save the shipping? Maybe nobody bid cause it aint such a great deal? I don't want to miss out if it's an okay deal but don't want to get burned. Same old story.

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steve'66
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posted 09-24-2000 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sprcoop,

Yeah they're the good heads, just remember you'll be spending a few hundred for a valve job + screw in studs and roller rockers and porting (if you decide on that) Or you can just put it towards a pair of Windsor Jr's or Sr's at about $818. Your choice

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bossman
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posted 09-24-2000 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bossman   Click Here to Email bossman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason people aren't bidding are all the aluminum heads available out there, assembled and ready to rock-n-roll for about the price the C9 and DO castings would cost to prepare. I have several sets of the early 351W castings stored away (I used to use them on ALL my small block Ford motors) and don't even consider them anymore. With a GOOD valve job, hardened seats, spring cups, springs, retainers, seals, locks, guide plates and some decent porting BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING, you will still fall short of the some of the aluminum castings available today in terms of performance and cost. Plus, you still have a 30 plus year old cast iron head. For my money, I would bite the bullet and order a set of the aluminum castings - there has been a lot of debate/discussion about which is the best, but really, you can't go wrong if you stick with one of the names that's been around for awhile. For myself, I bought the TFS Twisted Wedge heads for my 95 351W Lightning short block assembly. You may think you are saving money by buying some used castings for 1 - 200 bucks, but believe me, the machine and parts costs will quickly escalate. Hold out for some Edelbrocks, Victors, AR or TFS!! Good luck.

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sprcoop
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posted 09-24-2000 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had already done the math on trying to make stock heads perform like the out of the box aluminum heads. You are absolutely correct about it not making sense. I am trying to build a "cheap as possible" 300+ HP 302. I was told by a reliable source (Moneymaker) in a previous post that these heads would accomplish that in a basically (good valve job, hardend valve seats) stock form. Believe me I want the aluminum heads as much as the next guy but figure the stock Windsors will get me where I want to go. That is of course until I decide I need more horse power. That never happens, does it?

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Nos351C
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posted 09-24-2000 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nos351C   Click Here to Email Nos351C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah I never knew anyone who ever wanted more power

$150 total doesn't sound too bad, but I would be leery of buying heads site unseen from an unkown source.

You already know about the extra $$ involved, so that's my $.02

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mustangs68
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posted 09-24-2000 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We done the Math at rebuild time and Windors Jr's were cheaper than the 351 heads & reworking them...
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Scott (69Mach)
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posted 09-24-2000 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott (69Mach)   Click Here to Email Scott (69Mach)     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've bought two sets of heads over the internet. Both were exactly as promised. I can't say for sure what this guy will do, but I'm slowly gaining confidence in net purchases of old stuff.

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sprcoop
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posted 09-25-2000 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, I have only done one transaction on the Internet and that was a 1.12 Autolite Carb. The guy said it was a fresh rebuild that he put on his car to test and then took off. When it showed up you would have thought it was new except for the gas smell and some screws that had obviously been taken off a few times (it is a 60's carb after all). I haven't gotten it on a car yet but I'm sure it's fine.

Sam, when you did your math how much work were you going to have done to the Windsors? I'm not trying to get them to flow like Windsor Jr's, just enough to get my 300+ ponies.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-25-2000 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy solution. 1), ofrer less, and 2) see if the seller will give a money back guarantee? $150 tops with shipping is all that you should pay. You should be able to have those heads "race ready" for $500 total to make them cost effective. Remember that you can pin the studs also. Alex

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