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Topic: '51 F-1 1/2 Ton
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Bluskye32
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: Pasadena, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-13-2001 08:39 PM
   
I'm trying to help my girlfriend replace an original radiator with (sacrilege) a new one that'll actually cool the transmission as well. Does anyone have access/ideas on how to find drawings or dimensions for an F-1 radiator so i can pick an appropriate replacement? Thanks!
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--Jason Lawrence
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 1070
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 08-13-2001 09:27 PM
I'm looking through my catalogs now. I've found some suppliers, but no dimensions. Are you looking for an OEM type replacement or something newer you can swap in? Also, have you swapped engines/transmissions? That will make a difference too.
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Bluskye32
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: Pasadena, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-13-2001 09:47 PM
Thanks for looking into this.She's got a Chevy 327 with I'm pretty sure a chevy trannie (can't remember if its 3 or 4-spd automatic, but can look into it if i need to.) Still original brass radiator. (no tran. fluid loop) We'll probably sell it after this, if anybody's interested let me know. The guy who owned it before just shorted the cooling loop back to the trannie. Would never last on a trip. Not really looking for OEM, jkust something new to swap in that will fit. Radiator.com is great but they have no idea for earlier than 1966 trucks.
Thanks!
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 1070
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 08-13-2001 10:32 PM
ACK! Chebbie engine??
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Bluskye32
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: Pasadena, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-13-2001 10:42 PM
I know. Isn't it GREAT? Apparently the guy that owned this thing before did some pretty screwy stuff. Poor wiring jobs, that monkey business with the trannie loop and other wierd stuff. Don't have any idea why he dropped a chevy in. Right now, just trying to get it reliable. Heard about any kinds of safety/reliability issues with the brakes?------------------
--Jason Lawrence
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 1070
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 08-14-2001 02:20 PM
Actually, brakes on that old truck probably aren't the greatest. My 68 has non-power drums on all four corners(for now) and they leave a lot to be desired. I already have a 77 that I will be taking the power disc brake setup off of and swapping to my 68. I don't know if there are any easy swaps for the 51. If this truck is something you are gonna keep, I'd seriously look into finding a Ford powerplant to swap into it. Maybe a Chevy guy would want to trade you.
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 1918
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-14-2001 09:45 PM
If you're not worried on origionality,there may be some kits for brakes in the street rodder mags. That's probably where the last guy got his mounts,or did he make them? The radiator should be a top tank,so you could look at the early stangs up to 70 and maybe come up with something close.
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lyle29464
Gearhead Posts: 297
From: Mt. Pleasant S.C. C. S. A.
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-16-2001 12:06 AM
Would a transmission cooler (add on type) be ok?
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Bluskye32
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: Pasadena, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-16-2001 12:15 AM
It might be...but i don't want to have to worry about sizing. The current radiator has been repaired a couple of times, and for reliability's sake, we're trying to kill two birds with one stone. Since there's an impending deadline (she's returning here to california to go to school) I think she's going to take it in to a radiator shop and get an off the shelf that will be a suitable substitute. Re: subbing in a Ford engine, what kinds of thoughts do you have? Do you think the engine just won't hold up? Worried about different mounts? I admit, it would be a lot cooler to have the original engine and equipment in there. I think this truck is going to have to just be an ongoing project though, and an engine substitution may have to wait. thanks everyone for your help!
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--Jason Lawrence
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 1070
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 08-16-2001 01:47 AM
If it runs and drives and doesn't fall apart, I don't see anything wrong with the Chevy engine. OTHER THAN IT'S A CHEVY ENGINE. If you can drive it for now the way it is, go ahead. I just hate seeing a Chevy transplant in a classic Ford. I just don't see the reasoning in putting bastard parts into a vehicle. I wouldn't ever try to put a Ford engine in a Chevy, and I sure as heck wouldn't put a chevy engine in a Ford.I mean Ford engines are just as plentiful as Chevy. It sure seems like it happens alot though. I'm not putting down you or your truck, just had to give my opinion.  If it was me, and I was going to keep the truck, I would plan on putting a Ford powerplant back in when I could. I think the idea of going to a shop and finding something that will work is a good idea. I sure couldn't give you a good idea for a junkyard replacement(swap) just because of the odd situation you have(chevy engine). You could find something that was the right dimensions, then try to plumb the lines and hoses for it. Anyway, I'm rambling now. Good luck with the radiator. If you have any more questions, just holler, and we'll try to help the best we can.------------------
Joe Wellman
1968 F-100 302/c4/9" 3.50
1977 F-150 400M/c6/9" 3.25
1983 LTDII wagon "The Love Machine"
"It took me quite a while to realize that the real deal is to be able to be enough of a person on your own to know when somebody loves you and cares about you" -Stevie Ray Vaughan
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 16287
From: Saco, Maine MCA # 47773
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-16-2001 07:36 PM
You should talk to a good radiator man. They can take your current tanks and solder them onto a new core. They can add cooling lines, too.I knew a guy in the business that did that all the time. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
Ford. The closer you look, the better WE look!
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Bluskye32
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: Pasadena, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 02:33 AM
Thanks everyone for your helpful ideas and posts. Had the truck towed out here, and its sitting in my parking place...Did some electrical work over the weekend so now the battery keeps a charge and the truck runs great. We'd mentioned before finding some kind of replacement master cylinder for the brakes. The on in the truck works, but leaks (bad news in a truck with no handbrake and an automatic tranny.) :-) Any ideas for a replacement cylinder? I'll try to post some pictures as soon as i can get some pictures developed and scanned in for y'all. Its one beautiful truck. Aside from A) the radiator b) the tranny(which is leaking through the gasket) and c) the brakes, this old girl will be roadworthy soon.
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--Jason Lawrence
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