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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
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posted 11-18-2002 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
I saw what I remember to be a 70's Capri it's a small body car kinda like a MustsangII.
It was a cool looking car one that you dont see alot.Why dont more people have them.
Who knows more about these cars.


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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-18-2002 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
I used to have a '76 Capri II Black Magic. It was one of the best cars I ever had.

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Fastymz
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posted 11-18-2002 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
Steve they came with 302 and 8" rears if I remember right.
How many were made,and are parts hard to find for them.
I just wondering because you see few of them.

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wythors
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posted 11-18-2002 04:46 PM              Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Steve they came with 302 and 8" rears if I remember right.
How many were made,and are parts hard to find for them.
I just wondering because you see few of them.

SCOOP


Scoop, they came with either a 2.8 V-6 or a 2.3 4-cylinder. The reason you don't see many around anymore is that they weren't the most long-lived vehicle ever sold by Ford. The 2.8 tended to give up the ghost around the 100,000 mark due to tired valves. They're really cool looking little cars that would be fun to fix up if you could get parts. My personal favorite was the Black Magic Steve. Very hot looking car IMVHO.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-18-2002 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
No, the biggest engine they came with was the 2.8L V6. Most of them had the 2000cc or 2300cc I4.

I don't know about numbers, it's hard to find numbers on them. I'd like to find pics online of a Black Magic. All I have of mine is a ratty Polaroid.

Mine has the 2.8L V6, 2 bbl, and all I put on it was a Pacesetter exhaust system and a set of headers. It wasn't a rocket, but it was a fun 25 mpg cruiser that handled great.

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Fastymz
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posted 11-18-2002 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
This one said 302 on the fender and sounded like a V8.

Good looking little car,it would make a real cool hotrod.Neat hood too,kinda has has a small bump on it.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-18-2002 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Holy cow, I was able to find a pic of one exactly like the one I had:

The last time I searched the web there no pics, now there's all sorts. Mine looked the same and had the same wheels.

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Fastymz
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posted 11-18-2002 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
The one i saw looked just like that one but,had old style slotted rims and big rear tires and duals coming out the back.

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Fastymz
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posted 11-18-2002 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
Were they the counter part to the MustangII?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-18-2002 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
They were different than the MII. The Capri had a MacPherson strut front end suspension, while the MII used control arms. The Capris were built in Cologne, Germany and imported to the US until 1978. Then the new fox chassis debuted and the Capri became a Mustang with different body panels. They continued to make European Capris for a few years after, but they stopped importing them to the US.

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Dad Vishus
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posted 11-18-2002 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus        Reply w/Quote
Wasn't that 2.8 litre V6 the same one they put in the early Small Rangers?

I remember a few of those Capris around and they all seemed to smoke. That V6 had a gear drive and solid lifters also that no-one seemed to bother with adjusting. Made em noisy. they were cool looking cars. With a decent 302, could be lots o fun.

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-18-2002 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Yes, same engine. It was called the Cologne 2.8L. You're right, it had a solid cam and gears instead of a timing chain. I had to change mine as a matter of fact, it chewed up the teeth on the fibre cam sprocket.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 11-18-2002 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil        Reply w/Quote
Those German Capri`s used to be quite common up here, but most of them rotted away years ago. I have seen several with V8 swaps, both Ford , & Chevy . They had a nice wide engine compartment. But they never came with a V8 from the factory.

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TomP
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posted 11-19-2002 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP        Reply w/Quote
The engine compartment would hold a big block if ya wanted.

Check UK car websites, they are more common over there.

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-19-2002 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Mine in on my list of cars I wish I never sold.

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73trials
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posted 11-20-2002 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 73trials        Reply w/Quote
A buddy of mine had one of those in the mid-80's. Fun car. Did pretty well off-road, too. For a while, at least.

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Pepse
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posted 12-18-2002 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pepse        Reply w/Quote
Well, this is interesting. Something I know a bit about. I owned 6 Ford Capris, 2 '73's, 2 '74's, and 2 '76's. Wish I still had any one of them. Steve, the only thing about that pic is the wheels are not true Black Magic. They should be gold. I do have an original Ford brochure for the Capri II, including the Black Magic and I think it even has a pic of the White Magic. The 2.8L V-6 is a very good engine if taken care of properly. Can be beefed up quite well, too. Of course I have a book on beefing up the Cologne V-6; recommend the '84-'85 Ranger/Bronco II truck block. There is a man in Ohio that deals with any part for the Ford Capri as well as a full race version of the 2.8L. As for motors, yeah, the 302 is a common swap, with autos or the Capri 4 speed or the T-5 5speed. And you don't have to change the rear end as it is said the rear is as tough as the Ford 9 inch.

Later. Pepse.

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posted 12-18-2002 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Welcome, Pepse!

I think it's just the lighting that makes the wheel not look gold. I think I saw another pic from a different angle and the wheels looked right.

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cpmaverick
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posted 12-18-2002 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick        Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

A couple years ago at the Performance Ford show in Ohio, there was a Capri Mini-meet and there were 6-7 of them! A couple all our racecars. They made good roadrace cars.

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Pepse
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posted 12-19-2002 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pepse        Reply w/Quote
As for the Ford show in Ohio, the Ohio based Team Blitz has a Capri meet every year at Mid Ohio race track. Team Blitz is the place where you can get all-l-l-l kinds of goodies for the 2.8L V-6. As for race Capris there are a few Capri owners throughout the US that race 'em every weekend. Mostly slalom type racing. As for straight line type racing there was a guy at one of the shows that has a 428 CJ in a '74? Capri.

Later. Pepse.

DutchD58
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posted 12-24-2002 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DutchD58        Reply w/Quote
I actually saw that big-block car in action at the Ford Fall Expo in Columbus, OH back in the early 80's (when the show and swap portions of the meet were still held at Ricart Ford)! It was sitting across the aisleway from John Vermeersch's cammer-powered Starliner when they called for tech inspection for those that planned on racing that evening at National Trail. You could hear it across the whole lot.......absolutely wicked. Saw it run later in the day and as I seem to recall it was well into the 9's!

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posted 11-20-2006 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reflexx        Reply w/Quote

Well I happened upon this thread but I am new here. I was looking for any information on a V-8 swap in my 78 Capri. I see that many of you Ford owners are very familiar with the Capri but I was hoping to find anyone that has done the swap or has any information on doing it. I understand they have the room but I am concerned with the ECU and harness. Is there a better year to use? What is the best year Mustang to use as a donor car? I will post a pic of my ?project? . I like it the way it is but my original plans were to do a swap. I have owned a 73 as well with the 2.6 and it was more powerful than the 78 but that could be attributed to the extra weight of the later model cars. This one has the RS suspension but even though it was made for the turbo cars, it works well for this one. I installed 88 Mustang GT wheels and they have 195/50?s on them and they fit all four corners with no rubbing at all. So, if anybody has reference information on the swap for this car any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way, any criticism will be appreciated.

69maverick
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posted 11-21-2006 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick        Reply w/Quote
I would nor worry about the ECM. Dump it and run a Crain Hi-6 system with there distributor and be done with it.

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-22-2006 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Reflexx:

Well I happened upon this thread but I am new here. I was looking for any information on a V-8 swap in my 78 Capri. I see that many of you Ford owners are very familiar with the Capri but I was hoping to find anyone that has done the swap or has any information on doing it. I understand they have the room but I am concerned with the ECU and harness. Is there a better year to use? What is the best year Mustang to use as a donor car? I will post a pic of my ?project? . I like it the way it is but my original plans were to do a swap. I have owned a 73 as well with the 2.6 and it was more powerful than the 78 but that could be attributed to the extra weight of the later model cars. This one has the RS suspension but even though it was made for the turbo cars, it works well for this one. I installed 88 Mustang GT wheels and they have 195/50?s on them and they fit all four corners with no rubbing at all. So, if anybody has reference information on the swap for this car any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way, any criticism will be appreciated.


Welcome, you car looks good.

You may want to locate the series that Hot Rod did in the '70s that dropped a V8 in a
Capri II like yours. I think it was about '76 or '77. They modified it with IMSA wheel flares and spoilers and such.

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