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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-01-2003 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Talking about Moon Eyes and Ed 'Big Daddy' Roth and the Rat Fink theme made me remember Rat Rods. Rods where being pretty is last on the list.

Anybody into those?

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posted 02-01-2003 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always liked them I wouldn't say I was into them.
Ed Roth use to come to HAN for the last 6 years or more.

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posted 02-01-2003 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fastford34   Click Here to Email fastford34     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, i`m really into them. any custom/rod/street machine has to work like a factory car and be used on the street or its not a car to me. it doesnt have to be painted or have a full interior. just my .02

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posted 02-01-2003 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by fastford34:
Steve, i`m really into them. any custom/rod/street machine has to work like a factory car and be used on the street or its not a car to me. it doesnt have to be painted or have a full interior. just my .02

I thought Steve was talking about the cartoons RAT RODS.

I love rat rod cars too,I should I have one.

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brockjoe
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posted 02-01-2003 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for brockjoe   Click Here to Email brockjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
big daddy roth made some cool cars but wern't most of them just trailer queens? or barly streetable? none the less cool cars

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posted 02-02-2003 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion George Barris makes the best custom cars.I remember being a kid and going by his shop.I always hoped when I grew up I'd make custom cars too.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-02-2003 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By Rat Rods I mean these cars that are rusted out, primered, and barely legal. They usually have a '50s or '60s theme going, and even the guy and his lady dress up like something from West Side Story.

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posted 02-02-2003 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
By Rat Rods I mean these cars that are rusted out, primered, and barely legal.

Sounds a lot like my car.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-02-2003 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's an example of some Rat Rods:

http://www.hotrodsurf.com/Photos.htm

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posted 02-02-2003 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve I knew what kind of cars you were talking about.I think they are cool.But I dont dress like that when I drive my car.

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posted 02-02-2003 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 02-12-2003 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker   Click Here to Email DidgeyTrucker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found a Website where all the guys are into cool old cars. This was posted there (Jalopy Journal.com):

This really sends me.


Tracy

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-12-2003 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a perfect example.

A car that everyone except the person that built it is terrified to ride in!

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MrExotica
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posted 02-21-2003 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrExotica   Click Here to Email MrExotica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can't all afford crate motors & billet. --Or want it in the first place. There's the pride in tuning the 47 year old 292 Y-block in my '56 Fairlane, when I could have very easily plopped a 5.0 in it. When I pop the hood, the mill's not spotless, & it certainly isn't the fastest, but I'm proud of what's in there & it didn't cost me 6 grand. I'm not afraid to drive it either. I don't like my car being lumped into a group because the generalization is usually inacurate. My car is not just a Kustom, it's not just a hotrod, it's not a trailer queen, it's not a "rat rod".

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posted 02-21-2003 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MrExotica:
We can't all afford crate motors & billet. My car is not just a Kustom, it's not just a hotrod, it's not a trailer queen, it's not a "rat rod".


Welcome to M&M have any pictures of your car.
I agree with you about all the above.

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posted 02-21-2003 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flatheadSteve   Click Here to Email flatheadSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
first of all steveLaRiviere I know the guy that built that car. Second I would not be scard for one second to drive the be a passanger in it or see it on the road. the body is rough yes so what the mechanical aspect of the car is perfect. I would however be more scared to see one of these billet rods on the road running a heidts front end with the number of them that I've seen failing lately that design is mechanically flawed and unsafe. That car while on the outside looks rough is a nice car and I would rather see it on the road anyday

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posted 02-21-2003 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you guys don't take what I said as a slam. That's what these guys are calling their cars themselves.

Welcome to M&M, guys.

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posted 02-21-2003 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flatheadSteve   Click Here to Email flatheadSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SteveLARiviere I know that if I took the rat rod term as a slam i woulda been pissed about it a long time ago. I am one of "these guys" all I pointing out is dont be so quick to judge their mechanical quality by the way the body looks.

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posted 02-21-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What made you think I was looking down at them?

I understand the concept. Bad is good.

The reason I posted about them in the first place was to acknowledge their existance.

I think rods that are driven are cool!

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no man the idea isnt bad is good the idea is doing it yourself with what you have. not going out and buying a brand new billet ididit steering column, going to the junkyard and finding one and making it work. its not about buying a MII front clip from heidts (which is structurally flawed) and having someone put it in. Its about getting that ol' drop axle up front. Its got nothing to do with bad is good.

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posted 02-21-2003 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can get into that.

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posted 02-21-2003 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by flatheadSteve:
no man the idea isnt bad is good the idea is doing it yourself with what you have. not going out and buying a brand new billet ididit steering column, going to the junkyard and finding one and making it work. its not about buying a MII front clip from heidts (which is structurally flawed) and having someone put it in. Its about getting that ol' drop axle up front. Its got nothing to do with bad is good.

Thats cool,I have a lot of twiced used parts on my car.I shop at the junk yards all the time.

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posted 04-14-2003 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn... remind me to save hotrodsurf.com as a favorite!

In my estimation a fella doesn't get a whole lot cooler than the dude i followed from Bakersfield to the Famoso track one morning, about 10 miles. Guy was driving a low primered Model A roadster with an old Buick "mill" with open zoomie headers, car had whitewall slicks and a shifter sticking up higher than the dash... even tho he was only doing 80mph i didn't bother to pass him. Theres a whole group of them that show at Bakersfield races, and the girls on that website are very typical of the ones hanging out with them.

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Wow those ratty roadsters reminded me of my buddy's roadster. Walter Zentz had a roadster very much like one of those rat roadsters. It was a far cry from the show quality roadsters that all the magazines so we didn't think of it as anything more than a fun ride, not a cool car. It was fun to get in without using the doors (teenagers) and it was reasonably fast even with the flathead motor.

Like many other things I took for granted in the old days, I wish I could ride in it one more time.

Thanks for the memory TomP.

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posted 04-14-2003 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Here's an example of some Rat Rods:

http://www.hotrodsurf.com/Photos.htm


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quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
By Rat Rods I mean these cars that are rusted out, primered, and barely legal. They usually have a '50s or '60s theme going, and even the guy and his lady dress up like something from West Side Story.


Usually, the drivers of what you billet queen/crate engine drivers call rat rods, are into the whole kustom culture - all aspects of 50's styling, home, clothes, car, entertainment, etc. Not just wearing rolled up blue jeans & greasing what's left of your hair to see some 50's cover band at a fair. They might not be able to afford putting tens of thousands into their car. Maybe the priority is to DRIVE.
They dress like they do all the time, like their parents might have back when.
They take quite a bit of satisfaction in tuning the power that originally came in the car.
Yes, it's cheaper to drop in your favorite small block, but you wouldn't be driving the true time machine. Imagine driving a car just like your dad had, experiencing it just like he did.
Believe it or not, at the local cruises, I see these "hoodlums" sitting with the old-timers & carrying on conversations. These people, if you take the time to know them, are quite a bit more interesting than the average!

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Mr E, get that big chip off your shoulder. We gather here to exchange photos, memories, and information in a friendly manner. There are people here who like all types of rides and all types of people, so chill and welcome.

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posted 04-16-2003 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MrExotica:
Usually, the drivers of what you billet queen/crate engine drivers

Who are you referring to?

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I love rat rods! My idea of anice paint job is a fresh coat of primer and a flame job! My Falcon has a gutted interior, it's going to get a flat black paint job with Ford corporate Blue flames. Once the Falcon is on the road I'm going to find either a T or an A and build myself a Flathead powered rat rod!

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Originally posted by flatheadSteve:
.....Its not about buying a MII front clip from heidts (which is structurally flawed) and having someone put it in......

Fill me in Steve, I thought they had one of the better engineered front ends on the market.

Tracy

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I gotta jump in and say I hate rat rods. I really like old school style rods, 40s and 50s, but mostly 50s. The thing is, people with rat rods think they are making them the way they used to make them, but they arn't. Look at a 1954 Hot Rod magazine and you will see nothing but top quality cars of the time, not beat up jalopies that are in dire need of rust repair. Even 32's and "A"s in the 50's weren't that old, and even one in bad shape for the time would be in much better overall condition than the rat rods today. If your going to put all of that time, work, and money into your car make it presentable. I can respect a well thought out primered work in progress, but not a cobbled together heap that's 7 different colors (not including 3 shades of rust). At least invest in some patch pannels and one matching coat of primer. I'm all for using junkyard parts IF the junkyard parts are in good shape.

Well, I feel better now.

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I was at a car show this weekend and I saw a few real ugly cars. I have no problem with someone low-bucking a car together. Some folks can't or don't want to shell out a lot of money building a street rod, and that's fine. But it doesn't cost a lot of money to buy a couple cans of primer and wipe the grease off with a rag.

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I was at a car show this weekend and I saw a few real ugly cars. I have no problem with someone low-bucking a car together. Some folks can't or don't want to shell out a lot of money building a street rod, and that's fine. But it doesn't cost a lot of money to buy a couple cans of primer and wipe the grease off with a rag.


EXACTLY!

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