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johnmustang
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posted 06-01-2003 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About 3 weeks ago my 16 year old niece asked me a question for a school project she was doing, I forgot about it until last Friday when she called me and told me about the results. The question itself I had heard a variation of it a long time ago, but this is how it was put to me. You are hiking in the mountains and you are on a section of a large hillside that is about to collapse and bury a community of 3000 people below it and kill all of them. I have the ability to stop the slide and save every person in the village, but I will be killed and nobody will ever know about what I had done to save the 3000 people including the 3000 people themselves. I pretty much just disappear off the face of the earth and nobody knows, not even my family ( wife, kids, parents, siblings ) why or what happened to me. Now here is the kicker, the town of 3000 people that I save are all drug abusers and have chosen to live where they are because they are allowed to use their drugs without any legal repercussions at all as long as they stay in this town. the question to me was " would I save those people or let them die
" , my answer was I would let them die, I was then asked to explain my answer. My explanation was and is, why should I die for a bunch of people that are killing themselves anyway with the drugs and deprive my family of a son, brother, husband and father. They have chosen to live their lives like that and I will not die to help support their life style especially at the expense of my family. Now this was for her class in social awareness and human nature, I was informed on friday that my answer was in the low percentile of 3% that would let the town die, 97% of the other responders said they would save the town. Nobody had their names ( the responders ) put on the questionnaire so only the student asking the question knew who answered them. The teacher then did an evaluation on the people who answered the questions ( not knowing who they are ) based upon their explanation to the question. I was evaluated as a self-serving person who would not help anybody else in trouble unless there was something in it for me. I do not know this teachers qualifications, but I think she is a nut. that is not what I am like, but I will not deprive my family of myself or myself of my family to save a bunch of drug addicts. If they were just normal everyday people would I save them ? I really do not know and I hope I am never put in that kind of situation to find out. Now my question to you is , would you save them and after you answer, explain why you answered like you did.

JOHN

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jsracingbbf
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posted 06-02-2003 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John, don't sweat it, you answered right. Teachers can be wrong. As a rule I admire teachers but not all of them are the wonderful self sacrifying people society makes them out to be. As a matter of fact I would say placed in that situation no one KNOWS exactly what they would do. Survival is a STRONG Instinct. I might not save a town of Nuns, who knows?
It's not an easy thing to give your life for another. The good book says "No greater love hath one man for another than to lay his life down for a brother" ( paraphrase )
I don't think it makes you a bad person though just because you wouldn't step up and be a the town's Hero. I know I wouldn't.

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68F100
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posted 06-02-2003 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Save 3,000 crackheads or go home to my family? Hmmm...

Hi honey I'm home.

Seriously though, I wouldn't give up my life for people who are killing themselves anyway. Mess with my family and friends though, and I'll fight and die for them.

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Fastymz
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posted 06-02-2003 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure theres a right or wrong answer.I'm not sure what I'd do.It's hard to sit back a nd watch that many poeple die.Good question one I can't answer.

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Ponygirl67
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posted 06-02-2003 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ponygirl67   Click Here to Email Ponygirl67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes.........but I would have to say I would let them die too, as they are killing themselves anyways. That is kind of a bizarre question, cause you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't!!!

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BlueMule
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posted 06-02-2003 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't sweat it. The teacher's qualifications are a passing grade in psyche 101. The world is full of these amateur psycho-analysts and most don't understand the damage they do. Your job now is to explain that to your niece.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-02-2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would make the teacher move back to her village.

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johnmustang
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posted 06-02-2003 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BlueMule:
Don't sweat it. The teacher's qualifications are a passing grade in psyche 101. The world is full of these amateur psycho-analysts and most don't understand the damage they do. Your job now is to explain that to your niece.


I am not worried about what the teacher said, I am just curious as to how other people would answer this question. The remark from my niece was " Uncle John I don,t want you to die for a bunch of druggies "

JOHN

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mustangs68
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posted 06-02-2003 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Their dead..sorry..but I'm with you on this one, let them die.

The P.C. answer is save them,todays Teachers and Professors are dealing with what they assume is a perfect world which none of us are living in.

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1_ZoNiE
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posted 06-02-2003 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1_ZoNiE   Click Here to Email 1_ZoNiE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So let me see if I understand this correctly.

The village, that is about to be plummeted to graveyard site, has 3000 drug abusing liberal teachers living there. Each one of the 3000 are self serving because "they need the escape from the rigors of day to day life by using drugs." There is also the possibility that one of the teachers will leave the village, on a high, and meet with a tragic accident with one of my family members.

Hmmmmmmm, this is a tough one to figure out.

I know! Not only would I let the slide happen, I would go looking for the key stone to get that baby going. See, it all depends in who's boat you're floating in.

No not really (about the key stone). But, it is a dangerous and unrealistic scenario and answer to push into the minds of future generations. It defeats the purpose of "self (oooooh there's that word again) preservation" over those who knows how their lives will end (for the most part). So yeah, I guess you could say I'm a self center, egoistical, mean spirited, all for myself or nothing individual. But, I would still help a stranded person in need of help and take nothing in return. I wonder what her answer to that would be?

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lyle29464
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posted 06-02-2003 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464   Click Here to Email lyle29464     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had that dilemma a few years ago.

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GTRocks
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posted 06-02-2003 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give my life for 3000, sure. Give my life for 3000 people with no redeaming social value and complete derilicts in society...

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Makes you wonder:

a) What was the sample size?

b) How were the interviewees selected?

c) Were the other 97% all on a first name basis with the liberal teacher?

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rockafellz
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posted 06-03-2003 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey John, you should have a one on one meeting with this teacher and prove your points face to face. Then insult her intelligence, OVER AND OVER!! What is she trying to teach these children?? Is she trying to teach these children that the world is like "Leave it to Beaver?" Tell her to wake her a$$ up!!

Her definition of a self serving person is way off!! Take this board as a general example, a lot of guys here are very helpful and answer questions and don't expect anything back (money, gifts, etc.). Tell her to put away the crack pipe and the bong 'cause mixin' those two together ain't healthy DAMNIT!! I'm so pissed!!

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indyphil
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posted 06-03-2003 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think about this when I watch TV shows involving Police chases where some dumbass crashes his car after a 20 min chase. The cops always help the guy who is often seriously injured. Sometimes they have to help when they arrive at the scene of a drink driving accident. I dont know if I would be very good at that, im really not very sympathetic to people who have made mistakes.

John, your problem is easier to answer. I would not save them. Heres why - these hypothetical drug addicts are not just people who have made mistakes and deserve forgiveness. They are people who have chosen a life of permanent sin - they made a careful consenting decision. I cant forgive them that, they chose for ever to be a drain on society for selfish personal reasons. The world is simply better off without them. They may not be breaking any laws in their own town, but in my world - under my god (by whom I am judged) they are breaking laws. I just dont beleive in saving people who have resigned their ENTIRE life away to sin. I can see myself saving people who have sinned, but not perpetual sinners. I dont know if that makes sense or just sounds harsh.

This is obviously not a realistic situation because in real life not many people are beyond "salvation" like the hypothetical town dwellers.

I dont go to church often, but if I did It would be an interesting question to ask a minister.

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Ken
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posted 06-03-2003 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bye, bye suckers...time to go now

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LWLW GT/CS
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posted 06-04-2003 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LWLW GT/CS   Click Here to Email LWLW GT/CS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would let them die too.... Don't we all run into this kinda crap everyday? It's kinda like the people that bitch and moan about everything at work and then when you're all in a meeting and bring up the subject looking for support, they develop amnesia and you're left holding the bag!

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fastford34
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posted 06-04-2003 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fastford34   Click Here to Email fastford34     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well every one here answered it correctly! this is why i think before you become a teacher,you need to spend about 5 years in the armed forces here & abroad to learn what is REALLY IMPORTANT!!!!

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posted 06-04-2003 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toronado3800     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dunno. I'd probably stand there debating the situation until it was too late

On the one hand they are drug users. On the other hand, I drink, so who am I to criticize?

The question is bad John. Maybe it should be a city full of murderers with no guards.

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