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Topic: Aluminum Ford 351C block
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 873
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-07-2005 06:46 PM
   
I recently came across a guy who has an aluminum Ford 351C block.
It has an SK part number and a date code of 1968. Interestingly
enough, it has 6 bolts per/cylinder. Otherwise, it looks very much
like a production 4 bolt main iron 351C block. Anyone ever heard of
something like this. I knew Ford had produced aluminum 4V heads but
I thought they were 4 bolt per cylinder. Also, I know they made a
similar aluminum 351W block with 4 bolt mains but this 351C block
is new to me. Dan Jones
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-07-2005 07:28 PM
Trans Am stuff Dan.
It should be a dry deck deal.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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ukracer
Gearhead Posts: 166
From: South Wales UK
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 02-08-2005 07:39 AM
S'funny, I asked about this recently and got only one reply. Mine has 6 bolts per cylinder and 4 bolt mains (steel), not splayed. Looks just like a Cleveland block with fuel pump boss and what looks like an alternator boss on the front pass. side. Trying to find out more about it but keep coming up blank. It's been damaged and reapired so I don't even know if it's usable. Has some numbers stamped in it and I seem to recall there was a '68 number which threw me at the time. Wanna know the numbers?
Alex, you sure it's T/A gear? Post '70 then?
Cheers, Martin
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 873
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-08-2005 12:45 PM
> Trans Am stuff Dan.
> It should be a dry deck deal.I've posted eight pictures of the block at: http://www.bacomatic.org/dan/al351c.html The first one shows the deck. > I asked about this recently and got only one reply. Your post was the first time I'd ever heard of this block. > Mine has 6 bolts per cylinder and 4 bolt mains (steel), not splayed.
> Looks just like a Cleveland block with fuel pump boss and what looks
> like an alternator boss on the front pass. side. > Trying to find out more about it but keep coming up blank. I can put you in touch with the owner of the block pictured but he's
looking for information also. > It's been damaged and reapired so I don't even know if it's usable. Jeff's block was also damaged (forward lifer area) and repaired. > Has some numbers stamped in it and I seem to recall there was a '68 number
> which threw me at the time. Wanna know the numbers? Yes. Send them my way. Dan Jones
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2289
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-08-2005 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by ukracer:
S'funny, I asked about this recently and got only one reply.
Not true, Martin,  click on, "Refresh Memory" key below: https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/009105.html Have you posted the pics of your Al Cleve' yet?
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6007
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 02-08-2005 03:15 PM
So what heads would this have used back in 68?
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Fordwiser
Gearhead Posts: 429
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 02-08-2005 06:58 PM
Wish I could come across something like that!!! Dan, is that rear main really a 2 bolt or is that just a 2 bolt cap stuck on there, covering the blocks outer bolts holes?
Roger
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jim1320
Gearhead Posts: 224
From: white plains, maryland, usa
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 02-08-2005 07:02 PM
looking nice!! what head is it, good luck i wish i could find find a good racing block for a cleveland jim1320
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 873
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-09-2005 12:18 PM
> So what heads would this have used back in 68?I don't know. Ford was running Gurney-Weslake heads back then but those
are 4 bolts/cylinder and set up with Windsor cooling passages. Ford did
make a run of aluminum 4V Cleveland heads but I've been told those were
also 4 bolts/cylinder. > Have you posted the pics of your Al Cleve' yet? Yes. See link above. By the way, the block belongs to another guy.
He just sent me the pictures, hoping I might know something about the
history. > Dan, is that rear main really a 2 bolt or is that just a 2 bolt cap
> stuck on there, covering the blocks outer bolts holes? Roger That's the 2 bolt cap that came with it. 1 through 4 are 4 bolt. > what head is it The head in the picture is a B351. The B351 came after the A3's but before
the C302's. It's a 1980's era head and is unrelated to the block. > good luck i wish i could find find a good racing block for a cleveland SJ Performance in Australia is working on an aluminum Cleveland block.
I'm told it will be a real Cleveland block, not a hybrid like the
Fontana or 9.2" deck Windsor like the FRPP and Dart blocks. Dan Jones
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2289
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-10-2005 12:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Jones:
> Have you posted the pics of your Al Cleve' yet?Yes. See link above. By the way, the block belongs to another guy.
He just sent me the pictures, hoping I might know something about the
history. Dan Jones
Dan, Sorry to confuse the issue, I was directing the 'where's the pics' question at our "ukracer", Martin.......... Maybe his engine pics will look like your engine pics? Ryan 
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ukracer
Gearhead Posts: 166
From: South Wales UK
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 02-11-2005 03:30 AM
Sorry for not getting back, busy in work these days. Ryan- I apologize for not counting your reply, I was meaning posts offering info, should have made it clear. I could post pics (if I find how to) but my block looks just like the one in Dan's pics. I am really busy in the evenings now frantically trying to get my racer ready for this season (had a big shunt last year) so getting numbers off the ally C block is not a high priority for me right now. I might try this weekend if I get 5 minutes free. Like you guys, I am curious at to what heads were used on this block. I need to speak to some race people here in the UK to find who owned and raced it here initially but I just don't have the time yet. Thanks for replies.
Cheers, Martin.
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Thud
Gearhead Posts: 1333
From: Cumming,Ga.,USofA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-11-2005 08:20 AM
I asked my motor guru about these and he said that he and Don Nicholson got them from Ford in the early seventies and used them for drag racing. He added that every one they had broke.------------------
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 873
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-11-2005 02:32 PM
Your motor guru wouldn't happen to be Jon Kaase would it? I noticed you're in Georgia. Dan Jones
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Thud
Gearhead Posts: 1333
From: Cumming,Ga.,USofA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-11-2005 03:13 PM
It's Garry Grimes.------------------
"I only drink to steady my nerves. Sometimes I'm so steady I don't move for months." - W.C. Fields - To do is to be. -Descartes
To be is to do. -Voltaire
Do be do be do. -Frank Sinatra Dwayne M&M Member #18
Son of Smurf
'94 Lightning #942 of 4007
'70 Mach1
'75 Cougar
'65 Galaxie 500 + parts car
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cobrajeff
Journeyman Posts: 31
From: White Lake, MI, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 02-23-2005 08:05 PM
Thought you guys might like to see some updated pictures of my aluminum 351C.  It is now settled in to my loft, alongside a bunch of other Shelby, Cobra, Mustang, and Pantera models and memorabilia.  I had visions of building it up for my FIA Cobra replica, but this is a whole lot cheaper, and I can keep an eye on it all the time I am on the computer  . Here are a couple more pics:
http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/10170DSCN6629_Small_.JPG http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/10170DSCN6620_Small_.JPG
cobrajeff
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Fordwiser
Gearhead Posts: 429
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 02-23-2005 09:47 PM
I've heard of trophy wifes but never trophy engines!! LOL! Nice to look at, but at the very least I'd like to hear it run once in a while!Roger
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6007
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 02-24-2005 01:41 AM
It's...it's...a doorstop! 
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Thud
Gearhead Posts: 1333
From: Cumming,Ga.,USofA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-24-2005 07:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
It's...it's...a doorstop!
May be.... but it's a MIGHTY PRETTY doorstop! ------------------
"I only drink to steady my nerves. Sometimes I'm so steady I don't move for months." - W.C. Fields - To do is to be. -Descartes
To be is to do. -Voltaire
Do be do be do. -Frank Sinatra Dwayne M&M Member #18
Son of Smurf
'94 Lightning #942 of 4007
'67 Mustang Coupe
'70 Mach1
'75 Cougar
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 44935
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-24-2005 09:06 AM
Looks comfy there!  ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-24-2005 10:20 AM
Who cast the intake?------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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cobrajeff
Journeyman Posts: 31
From: White Lake, MI, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-07-2005 04:41 PM
Alex -Not sure who made the intakes - they both said "Hall Pantera" on them when I bought them:  I milled the "Hall Pantera" lettering off, and about a 1/4" off the carb pads to lower the carbs for hood clearance. The manifold on the left is my "old" one, for stock 4V heads. The one on the right is my "new" one, which fits high-port "B3" Cleveland cylinder heads. In a major stroke of luck, the hi-port intake popped up on e-bay shortly after I had pulled my intake & carbs off to revise the linkage. The picture below shows the modified intake with a second pedestal added to facilitate using "hard linkage" like an early Cobra setup, as opposed to the cable throttle linkage of the Pantera.  The carbs presently on the display engine are off of my car, and will be going back on soon (still looking for some "junk" Webers for my display engine). regards, Jeff [This message has been edited by cobrajeff (edited 03-07-2005).] [This message has been edited by cobrajeff (edited 03-07-2005).]
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ChitownEd
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From: Chicago, Il. usa
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 03-12-2005 04:29 PM
Being a Cleveland lover myself, I have to say that is one mighty purty engine. Congtats on a very neat piece.
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