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Topic: Which type of racing do you like best?
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 1677
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 07-04-2003 11:44 AM
   
Some form of heads up, on an index, rule limited, run what you brung? etc.. OR bracket racing? and WHY? JS
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-04-2003 11:50 AM
Run what you brung,I like the best because you never know what your going to see or race agaist.It's usally every day cars like mine there.It's always fun to see what another can run.What people have done to make thier cars faster with low budgets.And it's just cool to me to see a car drive to the track maybe do a few things to it.And run it all day.And then drive it home.  Bracket Racing would be my 2nd choice.I like the fact that you have so many other things to dail in besides just beating the other guy. ------------------
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ukracer
Journeyman Posts: 65
From: South Wales UK
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 07-04-2003 02:49 PM
Historic circuit racing! Musclecars racing for hours around real tracks! TransAm would be best (vintage 60's) but the good old days are gone. Yeah, I know they re-enact it now but just to have been there when it was all going on.
Why! You need to ask?! Drag racing is too short (1/4 mile!!!!) NO corners (!!!) no braking (!!!) NO corners WITH braking (!!!)
I spent too long (12 years) drag racing and it's not run very well here whereas circuit racing (road racing) is the norm and run properly. Oh, and we don't stop just because it rains!
Man, I just know I am gonna be flamed for this but you asked.
Cheers, Martin. Musclecars can go rounds corners too!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 07-04-2003 03:56 PM
Real racers drive straight to the finish line!  I like the challenge of bracket racing.  SteveW
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CJR
Journeyman Posts: 39
From: Mt. Olive NC
Registered: May 2002
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posted 07-04-2003 04:01 PM
Well pretty much all they have around here is bracket racing. Its the best bang for the buck but if funds were plentiful I'd rather race heads up.
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 443
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 07-04-2003 04:07 PM
run what you brung is kinda strange to me, especially with the youth that have "ricers"...then you get all the people..."muscle cars suck, i beat it in the turbo nitrous car, with a stripped interior", and then when you wax their ass and they have all this stuff, they say "well i get 20 miles/gal" and i just feel like wrapping my hands around thier necks and squeezing.....
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 1677
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 07-04-2003 09:44 PM
Actually run what you brung the way they do it around here means whatever tire size, unlimited mods, not necessarily street driven. Anotherwords whatever you can afford to drive and have the balls to drive it. I didn't mean round track racing, but I can definately appreciate a good trans am car. I mean if you could run (or watch even
one type of drag racing ( not Pro classes ) what would it be?
10.5 tire? Outlaw street? true radial? Bracket racing? Index heads up? The reason I ask is I am trying to get a local track owner to see what people REALLY want at the track, brackets or heads up classes. JS
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FALCOMANIA
Journeyman Posts: 37
From: Opelika Ala USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 07-04-2003 11:43 PM
JS I think the best bang for the buck may be brackets as far as the racer standpoint but for spectators and track operators heads up (here in the south anyway)The most popular thing now is the 10.5 Outlaw and all the small tire classes with some pro mod races once a month. Most tracks around here dont have many spectators for brackets but T/T and heads up will bring em in but the track operator may want to try a bracket program and see what happens. I would love to run one of the 10.5 tire classes but for now I'm happy runnin brackets. Randy
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 1677
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 07-05-2003 01:09 AM
Randy, ( and everyone )
What do you like best? to race OR watch? either one.
1. Brackets?
2. Heads up?
if you like heads up, what kind? Index? 10.5? I want YOUR opinion NOT what is popular around your area. Not what the track owners would like. I want to know what you would spend your money to go see or if you had a ride to race in it what would you do? where would your car fit? Money is no issue. the car is furnished by your sponsor.
JS
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 07-05-2003 01:21 AM
Jerry,Bracket racing sucks for spectators, but not as badly as heads-up indexed throttle stop racing. The "super" classes are very boring for spectators, at least most bracket racers try to run their number all out. Brackets and index racing are the best bet for the average drag racer on a budget, although Super Gas is a millionaire's game. I would pay to watch stock and super-stock racing, but it's really bracket racing with high dollar iron headed engines. (In fact we are going to watch John Calvert and Mark Tallent in the morning) My favorite to watch is prostock. They are very competitive and cutting a good light matters, not like funny car where usually only one makes a clean run. Out here on the west coast we have D-gas and C-Gas, that look interesting. D-gas is a 10.60 index, and I think t-stops aren't allowed. Index racing w/o throttle stops might be interesting for the spectators and racers. Just some rambling thoughts from my old head while the fireworks show is going off outside. SteveW
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 2062
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 07-05-2003 01:23 AM
I'm not a racer, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn once...I like heads up racing. I'm starting to understand index racing and bracket racing, but I think it's more exciting to see both cars leave at the same time(or try to anyways). Ifn' I was to line up to someone, I wouldn't want a headstart and I sure as hell wouldn't want to give the other guy one. If I ever get to race, I would be doing it for the fun of it. And I think heads up would give me the best bragging rights. "Yeah...I lined up to a Z05 Vette the other night in my 68 F-100 and smoked him by two carlengths." Might not ever happen, but I can dream
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69_sportsroof
Gearhead Posts: 176
From: Camino Calif (yeah, it does snow here)
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 07-05-2003 12:50 PM
I like the kind where i win !!!!!!!!------------------
ALL THROTTLE NO BOTTLE !
.....proudly keeping the neighbors mad for over 30 years
Run what ya brung, and hope like hell ya brung enough
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 4538
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 07-05-2003 01:08 PM
For participating, I like bracket racing. It is the most cost effective form of drag racing there is. My second choice is running heads up on an index (Hot Rod/Super Street). However I can;t afford all the toys it takes to be competative in that class.As for watching, I'm a poor spectator. But if I have to watch, I prefer to watch the Pro Mods. There's nothing quite like a door car with over 2000 hp going down the track.
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 1677
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 07-05-2003 03:58 PM
NHRA rules do not apply. No throttle stops. I see some stuff emerging in the south eastern tracks. several forms of heads up. 10.5 outlaw, index racing 5.20, 6.00, & 7.00 no throttle stops, heads up and then grudge racing = run what you brung. I am thinking that if it was affordable most everyone would prefer to race some form of heads up, tell me if I'm wrong. I know the fans pack in to see the heads up stuff and this is what the track owner wants. Bracket racing attendeance is off, spectators and participants. More folks are leaning towards some form of heads up. now not everyone can afford this so that is the reason for the different indexs and classes. Some local tracks here are just now starting to do this. I personally like bracket racing only because it is a place to run and possibly win something. I'd rather be running heads up. And since we all are only here temporarily, I don't want to look back when I'm old ( like now ) and say " I coulda run that class and done fairly well" SO to do this I need to convince MORE track owners that this IS a GREAT way to make money IF they can find a spot for the average bracket car to fall into. Thanks everyone!
JS
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 07-05-2003 07:03 PM
Jerry,I'd say heads up in 1 second index's and no timed throttle stopping. You'd have a 8 second class, 9 second, 10 second, etc. 1/4 mile anyway. They'd have to use fixed throttle stops to slow to the next whole number. It would be heads up for the fans and fun for the racers. After getting a winner in each indexed class they could bracket race with their full second index handicaps for the big winner of the night. SteveW
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1289
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 07-05-2003 10:00 PM
I agree with the heads-up format as far as spectating. There's nothing more boring for a spectator than to see a 20 second latemodel EFI truck hit the brakes at the finish line to take the win light from a 11 second tire ripping muscle car. But Brackets bring in a lot of easy money from experienced racers on a budget, and gives anyone the chance to win regardless of how much HP they have. In heads-up racing, the one with the most money and/or experience will usually win out in the end. The one second divisions in a bracket format sounds like fun though. It would make for a much closer finish and would also be more fun for the racer. The only problem I see is the number of trophies or payouts for all the different classes and the difficulty in arranging and organizing that type of format. ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 274 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)full street trim!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 07-05-2003 10:58 PM
Blue,It could be a little trophy for winning your one second index and then the money would come racing all the other index winners. SteveW
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FALCOMANIA
Journeyman Posts: 37
From: Opelika Ala USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 07-05-2003 11:20 PM
Well if I had a sponsor and they were paying the bills I would still bracket race.My son won a B/M race in June and it was a $10 grand to win race in fact he is gone to Huntsville to B/M race this weekend. My good friend Sherman Adcock runs Super Comp and is sponsored by Valvoline but if they would sponsor his bracket racing he would most likely stop S/C.They put lots a miles on a vehicle in a year and you just about have to win the race to pay for the expense. Bracket racing for me personally is the best payback besides I'm too lazy to keep a heads up car up. Randy
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BarrysGrrl
Gearhead Posts: 1356
From: Illinois/Indiana & parts inbetween
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-06-2003 12:40 AM
{dream} . . . in a perfect world . . . . {dream}I would like to see elminations in NHRA/IHRA class racing ra in one of two ways: Like they used to, either off your index (like qualifying, but with a handicap tree staggered to your index, first to stripe wins), or off your class' national record. Either way, Alex would kick EVERYONE'S ASS!!!!!! And THAT, my friends, is the BEST kind of racing! ------------------
Beth
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-06-2003 11:10 AM
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1001
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07-06-2003 05:24 PM
To watch, you can't go wrong with Pikes Peak. If it's on TV, I love to watch ralley racing. I will watch dragracing on TV before I will watch NASCAR anyday.To perticipate in, not much better then road racing, Basicly drag racing with brakes and turns. Drag racing was fun for a time but it got old. I look forward to doing the Silverstate Classic soon.
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JCQuinn@work
Gearhead Posts: 422
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 07-07-2003 04:16 PM
I prefer heads up racing with rules that keep the cost from being too ridiculous. Competitive racing is never cheap.I don't mind index racing without a breakout. Losing by going too fast sucks. Right now the best place to race looks like NMRA. I just wish I lived somewhere near their races. John
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1289
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 07-07-2003 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by JCQuinn@work:
Losing by going too fast sucks.John
AMEN Brother!! That's the hardest thing for a competitive racer to swallow. It's also hard for the average spectator to understand. ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 274 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)full street trim!
DanH
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fsiewert
Gearhead Posts: 38
From: reedsport, OR, USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-08-2003 01:06 AM
Auto-X! Nothing like a few turns to break up a drag race.
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CometGT1974
Gearhead Posts: 181
From: Asheville, NC USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-08-2003 09:27 AM
Southern style, outlaw racing is my favorite.....and I think the best cars to watch are the small tire, street legal cars that run mid to high 5's in the 1/8th.
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Tbird
Gearhead Posts: 145
From: USA
Registered: May 2003
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posted 07-08-2003 12:13 PM
Bench racing....Sure is cheap for amount of HP one can produce after a lot of beer.....hehehe
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SG236
Gearhead Posts: 364
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 07-09-2003 04:12 PM
Bracket racing with fast door cars or very fast dragsters sub 5.00 times!
Obviously I like outlaw pro-mods the most, but hey who doesn't.
Russ Hood
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