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Topic: Dura spark but no start?
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-28-2003 08:55 PM
The car will turn over and act like it's starting but then it just dies right away?Whats wrong? I wired just like it said to in the MustangSteves website. Cut the I wire on the solenoid and put the white wire to it,on the other end of the I wire I put the red wire. If the I wire is only hot when the key is turned how does the box get power. I tried a new coil already and pulled the dist twice to make sure it's at number. Is setting number one on the duraspark different then the reg old dist? I also got a reman dist too,cleaned all the wires.Besides hooking up the red and white wires everything else is just a plug in. HELP thanks. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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steve'66 Gearhead Posts: 6522 From: Sonoma,CA,USA Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-28-2003 09:36 PM
Ron,Check for spark, then timing, make sure it isn't 180*s out. And get back to us. SteveW
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scottford351 Journeyman Posts: 47 From: reedsville ohio usa Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-28-2003 11:18 PM
Check your red and white wires, the red harness wire goes tothe white box wire and the white harness wire goes to the red box wire.I dont know why the switched the colors in the harness but I wired my first one backwards.
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 02:38 AM
After I wrote for help.I knew what I did wrong. See you guys helped without even saying anything. I wires both the red,and white wires to the (I)wire on the solenoid. It was only getting during cranking. I wired the red wire to the batt side of the coil which is a full 12 volts,and a keyed switch too. I hope that spot will work. It started right up,YES YES. I had to adjust the timing.I put it at 12 for now.I tried restarting it about 3 more times.My car has never started that easy ever. It revved good,I did not get a chance to drive it yet. So for a total of $100 including the credit of $30 refund from summit for the BAD ignitorII coil. The MSD blaster2 coil said on a Ford it should have a 8omh resistense wire? Whats that and do I need one? Thanks for all the help.I'll get the car on the road and see what happens now. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 02:53 AM
All those new wires look like crud.What did you guys do with your wires?Also I have had a real pain trying to get the new plug boots on. My wife to try some KY jelly let me tell all of you.It worked great went right in.Stayed lubed long enough to cut the wire and make the connection.Just thought I'd pass on this tip. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4235 From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 08:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Fastymz: All those new wires look like crud.What did you guys do with your wires?
Just get some electrical shrink tubbing and use that to clean it up, many colors to choose from, I used black on mine. quote: Originally posted by Fastymz: My wife to try some KY jelly let me tell all of you.It worked great went right in.
You realize Ron that you have completely set yourself up with this comment, but I will not take advantage of your over-sight this time , well maybe just a little bit. Rump lube on your car JOHN
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 290 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 05-29-2003 09:27 AM
Just a suggestion;The RED wire should be run off the ignition switch (battery voltage in the run position) and the WHITE (battery voltage in the start position) in the crank only position. The WHITE leads allows the ignition box to retard the timing slightly during cranking. If you run the box off any other source (say the ignition coil), you may not draw enough volatge to operate it (box) properly or for the coil to draw the necessary volatge/amperage. Now...here is a way to plumb in a TFI (E-Coil) into the Duraspark system to get an even hotter spark; [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 05-29-2003).]
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 12:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by johnmustang: You realize Ron that you have completely set yourself up with this comment, but I will not take advantage of your over-sight this time , well maybe just a little bit. Rump lube on your car JOHN
John I was laughing so hard when I wrote. You should have seen me in my room door closed.A bottle of lube and a plug wire and boot. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
[This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 05-29-2003).]
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 12:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ: Just a suggestion;The RED wire should be run off the ignition switch (battery voltage in the run position) and the WHITE (battery voltage in the start position) in the crank only position. The WHITE leads allows the ignition box to retard the timing slightly during cranking. If you run the box off any other source (say the ignition coil), you may not draw enough volatge to operate it (box) properly or for the coil to draw the necessary volatge/amperage. [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 05-29-2003).]
Thanks for the help ,I run a full 12volt wire NON resistor wire I removed the pink wire some time ago to the coil.Do you still think I use a different wire for the box? Both are getting a full 12volts plus. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 290 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 05-30-2003 03:57 AM
quote: I run a full 12volt wire NON resistor wire I removed the pink wire some time ago to the coil. Do you still think I use a different wire for the box? Both are getting a full 12volts plus.
If you will notice on the wiring diagram, when you are using a DURASPARK coil (similiar in appearance to the old points style coil, the coil should be run off the resistor wire (except in some CALIF. Emission setups) while the box should receive full voltage. If you do the TFI upgrade, that coil (E-Coil) is run off full battery volatage.
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Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-30-2003 12:25 PM
The people at Summit racing told me it was ok to run the MSD blaster2 coil with a full 12volts.I'm not using the stock duraspark coil. Is that to many volts for the dist,or the MSD coil?------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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