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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-27-2003 07:58 PM
   
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
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posted 05-27-2003 08:07 PM
specs are in signature------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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N266fords
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From: Spokane ,WA USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-27-2003 08:23 PM
HEY THATS MISSING A MUSTANG lol.. Nice work
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 05-27-2003 08:57 PM
Good looking motor,did you run it up and down the drive a few times too.   ------------------
SCOOP
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johnmustang
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From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-27-2003 10:19 PM
Nice looking motor how long did it take to get it where you now have it, and what kind of problems if any did you have to face.
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 05-27-2003 10:54 PM
Hey cool James, That is very similar to the motor I am in the process of building right now, it too will be a 302 with ported DOOE heads with stainless steel valves.I am also using the stock crank and rods also. How high are you going to rev the motor, and how much horsepower do you expect to see from it at the flywheel? Only difference is that I may uses a cam around .500 lift.------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.25 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 337
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 05-28-2003 10:02 AM
Nice setup.
What brand cam?Only suggestion, Motorsport plug wires. They come in blue, are numbered, and fit perfect.
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-28-2003 04:49 PM
Johnmustang, this motor is my 4th motor that i have built and it took me about 10-12 hours after all the basic blueprinting process. no major problems with the build, the only problem i had was when i took back the 750 holley from my father n law that he borrowed and forgot to let him know that i took it. oops. Blstang, i plan on turning it to around 6500-7000 rpm. im not exactly sure as to how much hp its making but i would have to guess 325-350ish. does anyone care to desktop dyno this?------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 05-28-2003 06:26 PM
Cool, I too am hoping for close to 325-350 hp. I am only going to spin mine to 6,000 - 6,200 rpm though. Are you going to dyno it?------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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james306
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From: falmouth,me,usa
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posted 05-29-2003 03:30 PM
no i dont plan on going to the dyno. i am hoping to get it installed and running this weekend.------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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capri man
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From: doerun, ga.
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posted 05-29-2003 04:10 PM
james, i would suggest taking the headers off before i tried to put it in the car!!! LOL looks nice!!------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
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Darracq
Journeyman Posts: 10
From: Pittsburg,Ks
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-29-2003 04:16 PM
When ever you want more power,Put a comp 282s solid. lots more power. 114lsa is a killer expecially in a 302 Should be fun though.
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 275
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-29-2003 07:56 PM
James,Are you sure about the compression? I use the same pistons in my 289 with E7 heads (60 cc combustion chambers) and I calculate mine to be 10.1:1 with the extra stroke of the 302 yours should be slightly higher. What is the cc's of the D0 heads? B-loose
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 05-29-2003 08:23 PM
The DOOE heads have 60.4 cc chambers. ------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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chevy enemy
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From: Milton-Freewater, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-01-2003 04:35 PM
man i wish i hd enough money to build my 302 like that, nice work ------------------
Tyler Shaffer
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 06-02-2003 07:04 PM
this motor was not expensive at all. i did all my own porting and put my money where it counts. my total bill for that engine is $1200. believe it or not but its true. the carb i bought foe 50 bucks so that knocked off a few bucks. the motor is in the car right now and running, i broke the cam in on saturday and was driving it on sunday. for anyone who has plans on running a summit/crane K-3602 cam i would reconsider. it is nutless under 3500 rpm but pulls very hard from 3500 to 6500+. it idles very rough when it can idle lol. i am considering a few changes before summer is over and one is a cam swap and the other might be a smaller carb but im not sure. according to edelbrocks formula i would need 612 cfm for my 302 to turn 7000 rpm plus some people reccomend another 10% on top of the required cfm so that would mean i would need 673 cfm. do you think my 750 is overkill?------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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james306
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From: falmouth,me,usa
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posted 06-02-2003 07:10 PM
and for some strange reason my D0OE 351w heads CCed out at to be 62cc. i didnt do any chamber work either.------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-02-2003 07:37 PM
maybe your heads had some water leakage past the valves or something? Did you put grease around the valve seat when you cc'ed the heads? When I saw your cam specs I thought it was to big, guess I was right!------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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james306
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From: falmouth,me,usa
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posted 06-03-2003 05:48 PM
i used grease around the seats. i dont think my cam is too big, its too wide of a lsa and it has an intake closing point of 75 deg ABDC which makes for very low vaccuum at low speeds and a very rough idle. i think it pulls very strong from 3500 up but i think it could use a tighter lsa for the not so great flow charactoristics of my heads. the thing that makes me angry is i called summits tech line to see if they had a cam for my application that i would like. i liked their prices online so i figured i would try them out before comp or crane cams. as usual i had all the specs for my motor written down in front of me to read off to the tech guy. well i finally get through to their tech line and the guy asks one question... what year, make, size motor? i tell him then he comes back with a part number, and i say dont you want to know anything about my motor? he says does it have atleast 9.5:1 compression? and i say yes then he gives me another part number to the biggest cam they sell foe a small block ford. i was frustrated and i went ahead and ordered it along with the matched springs and retainers. i will never order another summit cam again! every other time i have ordered cams i have spent atleast 10 mins with the tech guy going over all the specs of the particular app then they give me a few options and i buy one. why the heck would you want a 114 LSA on a naturally aspirated engine? ------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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Glens67
Gearhead Posts: 325
From: Petaluma
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 06-03-2003 07:26 PM
Very nice but it looks a little small  ------------------
Glen
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-05-2003 12:56 AM
Ya, I called comp and crane and they both gave me different specs for what they think would be good for my motor. I haven't decided which one to go with yet though, I am thinking that picking a cam and the piston type is the hardest part, the rest is pretty simple. Cast or forged?  Cam choice, double My heads spinning now! I thought to hard ha ha! ------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
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posted 06-05-2003 05:17 PM
Blstang, i have had the best luck calling comp cams and giving them every spec of my motors and all the intended use. i tell them to take their time and give me the best choice for my application. i have never tried a custom grind but could only imagine it to be even better matched to my apps. ------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 357
From: South Central MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-06-2003 01:10 AM
Thanks James, my motor is going to the machine shop tomorrow, that means time to decide! I still don't know exactly what I will go with yet though. Are you running a windage tray? I am thinking of running one on my motor, they claim to add around 15 horsepower, I can't say for sure though, it must help some though? ------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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'69Stang
Gearhead Posts: 180
From: Detroit, MI USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 06-06-2003 05:52 PM
Great looking motor and I like the Weiand Xcellerator with the 750 DP. I think you are correct on the compression, also. Too bad about the cam, though it does seem a little on the big side. A 282S might be in order if you don't mind the solid lifters. I used to run a 230I/235E @ .050 duration .510/.515 lift on a 107 LSA and the engine loved it, and pulled hqard from 2200+ but really took off after 3500. I know some people here aren't big fans of Cam Research, but I have had great luck with their cams. ------------------
'69 Mustang Fastback, 351C, Holley 950 HP, New Parker Funnelweb intake, ported 4-v quench heads, 10.75:1, UD pulley, windage tray, Top Loader, 4.30 gears 9" rear
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60 foot time 2.008 (ouch)
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 06-08-2003 03:42 PM
blstang, no im not running a windage tray, but for the money it is diefinately worth it if you plan on racing alot and running high rpms for extended periods. i would think they could add 15 hp but it would be at 7000+ rpms. i think miloden sells them for $36.------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top
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Hipo67
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From: Sioux City, IA, USA
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-08-2003 09:07 PM
How did you post a picture here? Just wondered how to do that. Thanks
Gene ------------------
1964 Falcon Ranchero (in the works)
1965 Sunbeam Tiger (in the works)
92 Mustang 5.0 LX Convertible
89 Mustang Coupe (Drag car ... just about done)
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TomP
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From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 06-09-2003 04:11 PM
I'd think the windage tray would be useful below 7 grand. I run one on my little engine in the Ranger... had to modify it to fit the 5.0L rear sump pan but that oil can fling around pretty well at any RPM.
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james306
Journeyman Posts: 80
From: falmouth,me,usa
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 06-09-2003 06:29 PM
i go to www.villagephotos.com and download my pictures at their site. its free too. then i can copy and paste the url under the picture at their site to this reply box. it is very easy to do and the directions walk you through it. once you paste it here you need to put [img] before the url and [/img] after it. example= [img]www.bigblockpicture.com[/img]------------------
68 mustang coupe, 302 with ported D0OE 351w heads 1.84"/1.54" valves, factory crank and rods with arp bolts, standard vol oil pump, .520"/.544" lift, 234/244 deg duration at .050", 292/302 adv duration cut on 114 lsa, KB .200 dome hyper pistons, 9.84:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers, weiand Xcelerator intake with 750 holley DP on top [This message has been edited by james306 (edited 06-09-2003).]
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