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Topic: Airpan under a shelby style scoop??
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Dynoram
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: long island NY
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-22-2003 12:55 PM
   
Hows it going fellas i was wondering if anyone was using an airpan with a 65-66 shelby type scoop. The scoop is kinda small so i was wondering if it woould be worth putting an airpan under it . Right now im running a small 289 but have a sweet 331 waiting for transplant ya think that little scoop will flow enough air to feed a 600 hp 331? Cool board btw ...
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 1700
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 05-23-2003 09:36 AM
WELCOME TO M&M, DYNORAM!!  I don't have direct experience with your proposed setup; however, I'd suggest you try it and see what, if any, difference it makes with your combo. To keep costs down, instead of buying an airpan(like what MOROSO sells) just to test with, you can fab one - strip down an old OE air cleaner base and secure some foam (such as water pipe foam insulation & duct tape) around the lip allowing it to to extend up 1-2" so as to form an air seal to the underside of your hood around the scoop opening. It won't be pretty, but it'll be functional to allow you to determine if you want to invest in a prettier airpan! Just my 2 cents,,, Good Luck!! Ryan  P.S.
Tell us more about your car and setup.... ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
In a '69 FB w/ 4-spd'd 306",
but the 460+ is on the stand!
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 14201
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-23-2003 01:33 PM
Welcome to Mustangs and More,I like Ryan's suggestion.Nothing wrong with trying it out the cheap way first.
I think that little tiny scoop will be better then no scoop at all. 
Now a bigger scoop will get more air cold(=power) to the carb.But it will also cause more drag. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 1365
From: Lafayette, IN, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 05-23-2003 02:46 PM
Ive seen pictures of people using aluminum turkey roasting pans instead of the air pans. Im sure you can make something just for testing purposes. I also agree with scoop anything is better than nothing, im sure even the smaller shelby scoop is worthwhile. ------------------
'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 14201
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-23-2003 03:44 PM
Phil a turkey pan who'd ever do that. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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mustangboy
Gearhead Posts: 717
From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-23-2003 08:16 PM
Scoop are you trying my turkey pan setup!Damn I knew I shoulda patented that thing ------------------
1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 306cu.in, stock ported heads,weiand exellerator,650 holley DP,hedman hedders,comp 292 Magnum cam,4-speed,8 inch 4.11 detroit locker http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/mustangboy.html
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 14201
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-23-2003 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by mustangboy:
Scoop are you trying my turkey pan setup!Damn I knew I shoulda patented that thing
Not yet but I will tell the other day while I was in Walmart.I did stop and look at the turkey pans. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1147
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 05-24-2003 08:54 AM
Ron, You would probaby want something a little more substantial than a toss away turkey pan. That big scoop is probably drawing more air than the engine is injesting. I would think the resulting pressure will distort the sides and bottom to where after a few short 95-100 mph. blasts, it would be all mangled up. It may even get fouled up in the throttle linkage at WOT. (not good) With a smaller scoop it may survive a little longer.Don't get me wrong, It's pretty good logic for a test platform to see if a difference is felt in the ass-o-meter or a template for a more permanent rig. IMHO ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
"I'm a cretified FoMoCo MoFo" [This message has been edited by BlueMule (edited 05-24-2003).]
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1147
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 05-24-2003 09:01 AM
I went back and looked at Mustangboy's rig and I see there is a cooky sheet under the pan to stiffen up the bottom. Did you see that, Ron? It still doesn't address blowing out the sides.------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
"I'm a cretified FoMoCo MoFo"
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MrXerox
Gearhead Posts: 332
From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-24-2003 11:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueMule:
'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
"I'm a cretified FoMoCo MoFo"
Anyone notice anything wrong with this?
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1147
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 05-27-2003 12:52 PM
Yup... stupid is spellt wit wun U an not 2 Os.tanks ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
"I'm a certified FoMoCo MoFo"
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Dynoram
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: long island NY
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-30-2003 09:11 PM
Thanks for the response im gonna try and make one out of a cookie sheet Got some foam from home depot for air conditioners ill let ya know!
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