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Fastymz
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posted 05-01-2003 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put in a #35 squirter,and the lightest spring.The car still has a delay them comes on good.It only started doing this after I did the cam and long tube header change.
My trans guy drove it,and he said that the car was not getting enough gas.
I was told not to go over a #35 in a VS 600cfm carb.
Any idea's ?

The plugs look good,better then they did before the changes.
My car does smell rich during warm up.but it does not have a choke.And it's been cool here.the other day I drove it was int he 40's.

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steve'66
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posted 05-01-2003 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

The secondaries are opening too soon. Try a heavier spring.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-01-2003 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Ron,

The secondaries are opening too soon. Try a heavier spring.

SteveW


Steve I did it only made it worse ?

I tried every spring I had,and I have the whole kit.
I talked to Alex about this.He said it may not be openning soon enough too.
I'm running the small yellow now just as I did before the cam and header change.

I floor it and the car goes ok,but then it really starts to move.More of a transition,rather then all at once.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does your converter flash to? What rpm does it start pulling good at? So it isn't a bog, it's just peaks a little latter?

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Fastymz
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posted 05-01-2003 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About 2000 rpm flash ,and the motor start to pull good about 3000 rpm.It's kinda of a bog and kinda not.I'm trying to be a wise guy either.It's not like there is nothing there,but then theres more.

I should add it only does below 3000rpm.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might need to remove the check ball and try a heavier spring. So the secondaries open sooner. The light yellow spring worked good on the old 351w Mel ran for a couple years. But it was a stick car.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check was gone when I got the carb.
the yellow spring worked great until I changed things.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

It should flop the seconadies open right away with no check ball and the light spring.
Put your cardboard "clip" back on and run it only to 2500 rpm then check to see if the secondaries opened up.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes they are opening just fine.I wonder if it's not getting enough gas?

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posted 05-01-2003 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are opening early then.

Get a check ball.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Put your cardboard "clip" back on and run it only to 2500 rpm then check to see if the secondaries opened up.

SteveW

They opened fully at 2500 or less right? That's too early.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-01-2003 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve sorry I didn't read the 2500rpm part.I will test that 1st and let you know.

And would summit have the check ball?
It seems odd that adding the cam and headers would make them open to early.

It still runs stronger then before.
Just trying to do some fine tuning.

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posted 05-01-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ron, does it do it from a dead stop or when you kick it while moving?

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Originally posted by capri man:
ron, does it do it from a dead stop or when you kick it while moving?


Mike only from moving,not from a stop.It pulls real good from a stop leaving at idle or 1500rpm.

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posted 05-01-2003 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok cool, thought we might be working on the wrong end of the carb. lol

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posted 05-06-2003 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by steve'66:
They opened fully at 2500 or less right? That's too early.

Steve it's only open about 1/4 of the way at 2500rpm.It seems to open all the way at 3500 rpm.
What do you think,
I put the #31 squiter back in.And did alittle better,but then the slight surge comes back when you let off the gas.WHich was not there with the #35.The car also smeels alittle like gas,or rich at cruise speeds once in a while.

I noticed that both throtle shafts seem to be alittle wet ever time I drive it.It not much enough to collect dirt there.I wounder if they both are causing some kind of vacuum leak?

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posted 05-09-2003 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does any one have any more advice?

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posted 05-09-2003 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont think you are feeling a vacuum leak, that usually rough at idle conditions.

I would have expected the secondarys to open SOONER with cam and headers. Maybe it is too soon like Steve said. I maybe wrong about the secondaries though its not like I have been through it myself yet.

What about your timing, have you checked your distributor weights/timing?

get a strobe light on that and make sure everything is working right. I know its probably fuel related but it doesnt hurt to eliminate the variables.

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posted 05-09-2003 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phil it could use alittle more timing.But everything is working good in the dist.I think I need to try a more heavy spring agian.

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