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RADRIDE
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From: Va.Beach, Va.
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posted 04-09-2003 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RADRIDE   Click Here to Email RADRIDE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I gave up on the peanut carb & bought a MightyDemon.It ran good out of the box, but rich.In tuning idle mixture I could run the screws fully in without much trouble,and only 6lbs of vac.So I figure the pv(6.5)is flowing always.I will change to a 4.5 pv. Now will I run into a lean condition?I used a friends Vac guage,is this the best way to adjust air/fuel mix.The cam is CompCam 294s,heads are AFR-185 non-emission,intake RPM air-gap.Should vac be so low?

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-09-2003 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO.
You will not lean out too much with a 4.5 PV.

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BLstangin
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posted 04-09-2003 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin   Click Here to Email BLstangin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 6.5 pv in my holley 1850 carb. I have between 11 and 12 lbs of vac at an idle, will this powervalve be o.k. or is it causing my surge around 1200-1400 rpm, holley told me my jets were lean, so which one is it? I am running 69 jets in my 302.

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-09-2003 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BLstangin:
I have a 6.5 pv in my holley 1850 carb. I have between 11 and 12 lbs of vac at an idle, will this powervalve be o.k. or is it causing my surge around 1200-1400 rpm, holley told me my jets were lean, so which one is it? I am running 69 jets in my 302.


I can't see you being lean at all with 69 jets.
I would definatly try a shorter PV to eliminate the part throttle surge.

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capri man
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posted 04-09-2003 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
does his vaccum seem kinda low to you guys??
leak somewhere maybe??

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BLstangin
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posted 04-09-2003 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin   Click Here to Email BLstangin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
capri man, do you mean my vaccum? My vaccum is a little low because my motor has been cammed. I do not know all the specs on my cam, because it was in there when I bought the car, but I do know that it has .448 lift on the intake and .472 lift on the exhaust, checked the lift when I had the intake off last week, and my dad just fixed my intake leak, he put a coat of silicone around the water jackets and around each intake port on both sides of the gaskets to make sure it wouldn't leak as we found about three or four spots where it looked like it was leaking and and we used a new base gasket on the carb too, so I am pretty sure nothing is leaking there. It does run much, much better after we put intake gaskets in it, and the idle is more of a steady lump instead of a eratic jump all over the place type of idle it had before. Holley says my pv is just great, and my jetting is lean, but it did this before I put headers on too. I don't see it lean either as my friend's 500 hp cleveland is only running 71 jets. Does my vaccum sound about right for this cam?

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.25 trac-lok
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Moneymaker
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posted 04-09-2003 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm right and Holley is wrong!
You vaccum level seems appropriate.
End of story!
Next question please.

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BLstangin
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posted 04-09-2003 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin   Click Here to Email BLstangin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Alex, what number pv would you suggest?

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.25 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-09-2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4.5 should be just right.

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Alex Denysenko
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
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BLstangin
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posted 04-09-2003 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin   Click Here to Email BLstangin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.k. I will try that, thanks Alex.

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.25 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans

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Fastymz
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posted 04-10-2003 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
does his vaccum seem kinda low to you guys??
leak somewhere maybe??


You were talking about RadRide thats alot of cam he's running.But it does seem like low vacuum.

BLstangin,everytime I listen to Alex my car runs better.Either he's good or just lucky alot.


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RADRIDE
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posted 04-10-2003 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RADRIDE   Click Here to Email RADRIDE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont think I have any leaks, everything is new and motor runs real well.Just trying some fine tuning on something I have very little experience at.My motor guy says with that cam,and heads it flows more air than motor(289 bored .040)can handle creates no vaccum.Sounded good to me,and since he knows a stroker is in works hes not worried.I want a 347,but he tells me it will never handle me behind the wheel and he thinks I will be better off with a 331.

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bluestreek
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posted 04-10-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Radride,
Your vacuum does seem low, but a 294S is a big cam. You could probably get away with using a lot of spark advance to get your vacuum up. What's your ignition timing set at and what size Demon do yu have?

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RADRIDE
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posted 04-11-2003 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RADRIDE   Click Here to Email RADRIDE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was at 14, just readjusted a/f mixture with new pv.We retimed at 18 (about33at 2500rpm)it seemed to help a off idle stumble and it seemed to help and car still starts very easily.Could probably go higher but since its been raining for a week I dont have a chance to put it under a load.The carb is a 750 MightyDemon,I know a lot of carb,but a new stroker short block is in my future,and didnt want to buy another carb down line.

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bluestreek
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posted 04-11-2003 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RADRIDE:
We retimed at 18 (about 33 at 2500rpm)it seemed to help a off idle stumble and it seemed to help and car still starts very easily.Could probably go higher but since its been raining for a week I dont have a chance to put it under a load.

Get the initial timing advanced as far as possible before any other changes. Just remember that the octane rating may effect how high you can go. Then work the carb out from there.

Sounds like a RADRIDE!! :lol:

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BLstangin
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posted 04-13-2003 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin   Click Here to Email BLstangin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.k. Alex you said next question. First I put in the 4.5 pv and it really helped the surging, but it is still there but it is much better, my dad thinks that my idle circuit may be lean as at these rpms I am barely touching the throttle. I set the idle screws with a vaccum gauge for max vaccum though. What do you suggest next? Also my idle mixture screws don't seem to do a whole lot, is this normal for a cammed car or isn't it?

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 302 with 600 holley, aluminum intake, headers, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.25 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans

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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 04-13-2003 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker   Click Here to Email DidgeyTrucker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the idle mixture screws don't make much of a change, this would indicate the primary butterflies are open too much and bypassing the idle circuit all together. You should be able to make an adjustment on the secondaries to open them some so you can close the primaries enough to use the idle circuit. It's all in the fine tuning, carb, timing, etc.

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