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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 04-09-2003 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My timing is at [email protected] at idle,and [email protected], [email protected] 2500rpm, [email protected]
I think I need more timing in faster.The starts to pull good abouve 3000 rpm.

The carb has a slite hesitation with the lightest spring in the vacuum secondary.I went to two steps up on the spring and the car didn't seem to have enough go.I put the spring just one up from the litest.Now the car pulls good from a stop,but still at 2000-3000rpm if you hit it a slight hesitation to it.

What would you guys do now.The pulls strong out of the hole,but not as strong as it beofre new cam.Thats leaving from idle BTW.
But the car pulls alot better above 3000rpm.

600VS HOLLEY 6.5PV

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SCOOP
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SundanceKid
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posted 04-09-2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kinda what going to a bigger cam does.

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69 Sportsroof
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posted 04-09-2003 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The timing sounds about right to me.

It could be the accelerator pump cam that's causing the bog when you nail it at 2000 rpm. What carb are you using?

What's causing you to lose the off idle performance could be your intake if you're using an RPM. It's designed to kick in at 1500-6500 whereas a Performer is for idle-5500 which is the rpm range for the cam you installed.

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Glens67
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posted 04-09-2003 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glens67   Click Here to Email Glens67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron
Is that timing with the Vacuum hooked up?
Do you want a factory dual point mechanical adv. distributor? UH I forgot, what motor you are running? This distributor is for a 302/289

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-09-2003 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try 2 more degrees of timing and two sizes larger discharge nozzle.

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Fastymz
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posted 04-10-2003 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm using a #31 squirter now.Do you still think I should go up two sizes?

Do you think that the K&N stub stack is affecting anything?

On the timing does the curv sound good,and yes that was with the Vacuum advance plugged.

I t does run more cool then before and does not get real hot on the freeway any more.It still goes up about 5 degrees on the freeway.But it was going up 10-15 degrees on the freeway.

It does seem to have alittle bit of a choppy idle.The tach will bouce no more then 100rpm.Is this a carb or ignition problem or is it the cam?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
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65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-10-2003 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do what I said.

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Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 04-10-2003 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Do what I said.


Always do,and it's always worked.
I was not questioning you,just giving you all the facts.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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bluestreek
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posted 04-10-2003 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, do what Alex D. says!
You need more low rpm advance if it can handle it without spark knocking. MORE low rpm spark ADVANCE means more POWER and better carb response. You should have 34 deg in by 3000 for good power on the street. I'm using 18 deg. initial and 34 total on my 331 when running 89 oct. If I run 93 octane I can go up to 20 and 36 deg.

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steve'66
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posted 04-10-2003 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even better than that is to lock it out at 34 degrees all the time. If you have a stall around 3000+

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Fastymz
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posted 04-10-2003 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve not there yet.
Dan I've never had any knock.So next week I'll do what Alex said,and advance the timing 2 degrees at a time.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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stang106
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posted 04-10-2003 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,
I tuned my Holley's seconday to open with the lightest spring it could handle without bogging. Then I added a 'StubStack' and the increased signal pulled the secondaries open too soon. I went to a heavier spring and the problem was solved, plus now have more bottom-end. Does this sound familiar to your application?
Dave

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Fastymz
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posted 04-10-2003 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It does Dave,but I tried the next to springs up and they both did the same thing?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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