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Fastymz
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posted 03-21-2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed when I did the cam break in.I tested my kill switch it still does not kill the car the instant you switch it.It takes maybe 1-3 seconds before it kills it.
I can't find why it would do that.
I did leave the two wires from the old voltage reg,that go for the starter solenoid on there. But there is only one wire to the alt.
My alt lite stays on too,can I just remove the light bulb,or is there a better way.

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capri man
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posted 03-21-2003 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE BATTERY SIDE OF THE SWITCH!!!

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Fastymz
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posted 03-21-2003 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE BATTERY SIDE OF THE SWITCH!!!


It is Mike really it is.

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SCOOP
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Fastymz
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posted 03-21-2003 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the ALT light how do I get it to go off?
Can I just take it out?


Also do I have to have the two wires from the solenoid to the old connected.

Also when you guys turn the kill your dies,right away not even a second before it stops running.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

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capri man
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posted 03-21-2003 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hell i dont know SCOOP!! mine cuts off immediatly when the switch is turned off. try taking the alt light bulb out. it could be feeding back through it.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
hell i dont know SCOOP!! mine cuts off immediatly when the switch is turned off. try taking the alt light bulb out. it could be feeding back through it.


Well your alot of help.
And they told me when I joined that you knew everything.
Next time I have it running I'm just going to start pulling off wires until it works right.
I'm sure some one else out there most have a 65 with a kill switch.

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streetstang67
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posted 03-22-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67   Click Here to Email streetstang67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did you make a kill switch? Seems like a good theft deterent

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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at this link,

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=287

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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does any one know if the alt,warning lite links back to the ignition?

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SCOOP
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2.26 60'S
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65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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JoeD1860
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posted 03-22-2003 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoeD1860     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys,

I will be doing my kill switch this week. Some of you are saying to hook the alternator wires to the "battery" side of the kill switch.
Don't you mean to the other side, the side that is being "switched?"
If it is on the battery side it will be ahead of the switch and stay connected all the time.

Joe

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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JoeD1860:
Guys,

I will be doing my kill switch this week. Some of you are saying to hook the alternator wires to the "battery" side of the kill switch.
Don't you mean to the other side, the side that is being "switched?"
If it is on the battery side it will be ahead of the switch and stay connected all the time.

Joe


But Joe if you go to the battery side it closes the circut.If you go to the other side the alt will fit the motor juice and it wont kill it.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

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JoeD1860
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posted 03-22-2003 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoeD1860     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop,

NOW I understand it. I was thinking backwards.
Thanks,

Joe

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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JoeD1860:
Scoop,

NOW I understand it. I was thinking backwards.
Thanks,

Joe


Thats cool I'm always thinking backwards.

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SCOOP
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68F100
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posted 03-23-2003 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Thats cool I'm always thinking backwards.


Then just start at the end and work towards the beginning and you'll be fine Scoop

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Fastymz
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posted 03-23-2003 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any one every remove thier alt warning light.Will it still start and charge without it?

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SCOOP
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65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Hans olsson
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posted 03-23-2003 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The wire that delivers current from the alt(B+)must be connected to the battery side of the switch.That is the only wire that needs to be moved.It works very good on our car.

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posted 03-23-2003 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hans I did do it that way.The switch kills the car just not right away.It takes about 1-3 seconds before the car dies.
I also noticed that when I turn the switch off,the voltage at the solenoid goes down slowly until it reachs about 1 to .1 of a volt.
There has to be something feeding power back into the solenoid I just dont no what it is?

Could my starter solenoid be BAD ????

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SCOOP
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2.26 60'S
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posted 03-23-2003 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have some kind of capacitor somewhere in the car?Try lifting off the positive cable at the battery and see what happens.
Check all ground connections from the battery to chassi and motor.It should stop immediately.
=Hans

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Fastymz
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posted 03-23-2003 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing that I can think of is the old voltage regulator wires.
I discounected all the wires at the alt,but I left the two wires that run to the voltage regulator hooked up because I believe one of the two wires feed the ign switch.They get power off the the battery post on the started solenoid,which is killed by the swict.So I'm at a lost now ??? I have a 4 ga,and a 0 gauge ground wires one from the motor to the frame and one from the motor to the firewall.I have the battery in truck grounded to the frame rail.
Any suggestion would be great.I'm missing something some where I just don't know where it is.But when I find it,IT'S dead.

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posted 03-23-2003 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The kill switch may be the problem,try lifting the positive cable off the battery,if the motor stops immediately then you have found the cause.You could test the kill switch by hooking up a simple tester consisting of a bulb and two wires one to ground and the other to the kill switch.When you turn off the switch the bulb should go out immediately.

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This is the 2nd swict I've put in.Think ing it was the 1st.This one does the same thing when you flip the switch the volts slowly drop from 14 to 10 ect until they get about 3-4 and go slow to 1 to.5 of a volt.
So your switch when turned goes to 0 volts right then.
Both switchs are Summit brand,same that many others use.
Should I try a more expensive switch?
Like the Moroso brand one?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

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capri man
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posted 03-23-2003 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scoop, have you tried reving the engine up to about 2000 rpm and having someone turn the switch off? my suspicion is that the car will keep running.

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quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
scoop, have you tried reving the engine up to about 2000 rpm and having someone turn the switch off? my suspicion is that the car will keep running.


yes I have it runs for few seconds they it dies.
I think I might try a few things and they let you guys know what happens.

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SCOOP
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2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

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capri man
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posted 03-23-2003 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UMMMMMM! got me thinking now!!!

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mike r
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Greg Pettit
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posted 03-25-2003 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Pettit   Click Here to Email Greg Pettit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Disconnect the alternator altogether and see what happens.

It is my feeling that the alternator still has some "life" left in it when the field is removed. (if that's how you have it wired).

If that doesn't work, start pulling fuses one at a time till you see a change. Perhaps there is some component in the car that has a large capacitor, or even the blower motor running, which turns into a generator as soon as current is removed.

I guess it would be even better to wire the ENTIRE car through the kill switch, this would remove all electrical power from inside the car AND kill the engine. Might be a good deal if an electrical fire pops its head up some time. Would also eliminate your 1-3 second cutoff problem, most likely.

Greg

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posted 03-25-2003 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now you have a new name for your car.
DIE HARD!

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