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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-20-2003 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok made a few mistakes but it ran.
After two trys it fired and ran real poor.I ran out and turned the dist until it smoothed out.There was good oil pressure from the get go.And I ran it at 2500-3000 for 30min.Thats a long time to worry about things leaking or breaking.The got to a peak temp of 205.I cooled it with some water running over the rad,it stayed at 180-190 most the time.

The new headers got real hot.
It melted some wire loom I had about 3-5" away from the headers.Car had alittle blue smake at first but no black or white smoke at all.

I took it out for about a 4 mile trip.

The car seems to drive just ok,real smooth and idled better then ever.
It seemed low on power below 2000rpm,but above 3000rpm it pulled better.And when I shifted at 4800 now it seems like it's still pulling.

I dont now how high of a RPM to take it?

When I stopped by my pops I noticed an oil leak.So I went right home I found it leaking from the bottom of dip stick tube.
I took of the bolt that hold it and tried to pull out the dip stick.It can with a big fight,but the last part of it is still in the timing cover.At this point I should have walked away.
I tried to get what was left inside the timing cover out.I only made a mess of the timing oil hole and most of it is still in there.
So I took every thing back off.I now need a new timing cover.MAN that really sucks
Anyways if any one knows were I can get a cheap,but good timing cover let me know.
Sorry this post is so long.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part two,
I noticed that the new headers made the exhaust more QUIET,why do you think that is.When I get on it now it's loud but at cruise it's way more quite then it was.
Also do those long tubes always get REAL hot,or was just becasue of the break in?When I was running for break they were really hot,even popping a few times.Scared the piss of me.


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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also noticed that when I took everthing off.The timing was at 14,when I started it today it was at 10.I marked the dist to the motor and put it back were it came out.Could my old timing chain or balancer have been off that much?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-20-2003 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, I have seen several engines with the header tubes glowing red during cam break in for a half hour, but they were fine afterwards. Bummer about your timing cover, hopefully you an find one fairly easily (and cheaply, too!)

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory glad to headers did that for you too.
I hope I can find a timing fast,and cheap too.Thats not asking for alot is it.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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69 Sportsroof
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posted 03-20-2003 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's good news Scoop. Like Rory said, the headers will be ok. It's not often that you idle for 30 minutes at 2500. With the car moving you have air flowing around them which will keep them from glowing. That's actually the perfect time to cure that ceramic paint I had mentioned that I painted mine with. When I get home I'll look for a timing cover in my PAW catalog. I know they have them I'll just have to find the right part number.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might need a new cover.I talked to Alex this morning he told how he gets the rest of old tube out.I'll try that 1st.

My car was more quiet,which I thought was odd.

But I was so glad it started,and ran.Now I need to get the timing cover fixed and start tuning it.

I took my pops for a short ride yesterday.He was really impressed,more then I was.I was hopping to feel more of a power gain then I did.

Thanks for all the help,So far.


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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Dubz
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posted 03-20-2003 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are you meaning to say quiet?? or is that some term relating to headers (an honest question)

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dubz:
are you meaning to say quiet?? or is that some term relating to headers (an honest question)

Yes quiet,and thats not a header term,just my lack of spelling.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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stinger
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posted 03-20-2003 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stinger   Click Here to Email stinger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what brand were the new headers u put on?

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hedmen Long tube headers.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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bluestreek
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posted 03-20-2003 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad to here you got it running Scoop!
I'm running Hedmans too and I noticed that mine was quieter this time around even with more power. Don't ask me why. Maybe the cam is more efficient and the power is being kept inside the motor instead of dumping it all out the pipes!

DanH

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, CompCams Xtreme Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
e.t. 12.50 @ 112 mph

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-20-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Velocity, expansion, turbulence (or lack thereof), effeciency

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posted 03-20-2003 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There aint a damn thing quiet about my car

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Glens67
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posted 03-20-2003 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glens67   Click Here to Email Glens67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you find a timing cover?

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Glens67:
Did you find a timing cover?


No I'm going to try a way of fixing my 1st that Alex told me about.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-20-2003 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:

I'm running Hedmans too and I noticed that mine was quieter this time around even with more power. Don't ask me why. Maybe the cam is more efficient and the power is being kept inside the motor instead of dumping it all out the pipes!

DanH


Dan it must be something like that.The new cam has no lumpy to it at all,I was hoping for alittle.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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kcode
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posted 03-21-2003 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop,
I'm not sure of all of the changes you made, but the possibility exists that you might be running on the lean side, which would create more heat in the exhaust. Have you pulled your plugs since the changes were made?

Mike

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bluestreek
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posted 03-22-2003 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
The new cam has no lumpy to it at all,I was hoping for alittle.


I coulda told you that. It's a stump puller!!
After you get bored with it, just find you a pickup truck to put it in and go ahead and build you a real he-man stroker!

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 274 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
1st pass: 12.50 @ 112 mph
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Fastymz
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posted 03-22-2003 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike new stuff, New cam like the performer cam and lifters,long tube headers use to have shortys,timing chain, balancer,water pump,thats about it.Know I have not pulled the plugs out yet.

Dan thats a picture of me for sure.
A REAL he man stroker,geeze it's never enough is it.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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itlbrnmoff
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posted 03-22-2003 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for itlbrnmoff   Click Here to Email itlbrnmoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, you said that your timing is now at 10* instead of 14*? That's going to change anytime you pull the distributor and put it back in. You just need to reset the timing with a timing light.
Also, different cam specs will cause you to have to set the initial timing to a different number. There are no more factory setting numbers after you change engine parts, unless they're factory replacement parts.
What are the specs for your new cam?
A 108 or 110 lobe separation angle would've given you the lopey idle you're after.

My headers got so hot on cam break-in, it burnt the black coating off.
they all eventually rust from the inside out, unless they're ceramic coated inside and out. I think that was just normal.

Experiment with your initial timing settings and carb jetting until you find the power you think you might've lost.
But, you'll probably want a more aggressive cam to get the idle, and louder, nastier, meaner sounding engine.

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Low Dollar 1983 Mustang GT W/T-tops...
306 4bbl. T-5 3.45 trac-loc...it'll burn 'em off
1988 Lincoln LSC
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posted 03-22-2003 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for itlbrnmoff   Click Here to Email itlbrnmoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, are you sure you have the distributor back in right?
You say you marked it to where it was before?
Do you mean the position of the distributor body or vacuum advance unit in relation to where it was before?
Or do you mean the positon of the rotor?
If you had to turn thee distributor body really far to get it to run right at first, you might not have the rotor pointing to the right terminal on the cap.
Usually, the distributor never drops right in to where you want it to because the oil pump drive doesn't engage the bottom of the distributor until you start cranking the engine a little.
Since the firing order and rotation of the distributor is counter-clockwise on a Ford and your firing order is 13726548, when you go to drop in the distributor to point toward the #1 terminal, back it up some first to the #8, then, if the oil pump drive didn't engage at first, when you crank the engine a little, it should fall right into position at the #1.

Correction; Start inserting the distributor at about the #8, (behind the #1) this will allow the gear teeth to mesh by the time it positions to the #1.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
I also noticed that when I took everthing off.The timing was at 14,when I started it today it was at 10.I marked the dist to the motor and put it back were it came out.Could my old timing chain or balancer have been off that much?


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Low Dollar 1983 Mustang GT W/T-tops...
306 4bbl. T-5 3.45 trac-loc...it'll burn 'em off
1988 Lincoln LSC
5.0 auto full power

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