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thumpin cat
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posted 03-15-2003 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thumpin cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am building a 450 horse 351w with 3 inch exhaust, 1 chamber flowmastes and dumps, i dont know if i should use an H-pipe. i want my exhaust to be loud but sound good.

what do you think?

please let me know thanks a lot.

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Toronado3800
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posted 03-15-2003 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toronado3800     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear the "H" pipe helps. If I'm looking in my NPD catalog right they sell some factory style H pipes.

In the past I owned two "H" pipe exhausts. The one I had done locally ended up being a 1/2 inch hold torched ROUGHLY in my pipes and then joined with a 2 1/2 inch tube.

My next was a Flowmaster "H" pipe on a Pontiac and was NOT happy with the quality. Darned thing always leaked and caused much more trouble than the 8 HP it was supposed to create. Coulda been an installation problem though.

So this time I just got straight 2 1/2 inchers.

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kid vishus
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posted 03-15-2003 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3" pipes and 1 chamber flowdisasters? Yep, it's gonna be loud. More than likely it will be loud enough the cops will get to know you on a first name basis.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-15-2003 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thumpin cat:
with 3 inch exhaust, 1 chamber flowmastes and dumps, i dont know if i should use an H-pipe. i want my exhaust to be loud but sound good.

I dont think an H-pipe will do any thing for you.
Not sure if it will sound good,but it will be LOUD.

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steve'66
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posted 03-15-2003 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Scoop on this one. Is this gonna be a street car? 1 chambers should be labelled "for off road use only".

SteveW

And if it is a racecar, don't bother with the h-pipe.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-15-2003 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
[B]I'm with Scoop on this one.

SteveW

B]


WOW,I have to print this and frame it.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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steve'66
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posted 03-15-2003 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've done well "grasshopper"

SteveW

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bluestreek
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posted 03-15-2003 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never used an H-pipe. Every time someone makes a HP claim with one, they always seem to add bigger pipes and mufflers too, so you never know if it's worth anything or not. I like being able to move the pipes around for xtra work space if needed. If I ever decided to use one I'll make it so the whole section can be removed from the collector to the mufflers. I do know that larger pipes and mufflers are much louder because they allow more expansion inside the pipes. I don't think an h-pipe will help you much as far as making it quieter. I use large fiber-filled resonator tips to quiet my 2-chamber flows down on my '66. They are straight thru design and have very little back pressure.

Dan

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e.t. 12.50 @ 112 mph

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Fastymz
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posted 03-15-2003 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
I like being able to move the pipes around for xtra work space if needed. If I ever decided to use one I'll make it so the whole section can be removed from the collector to the mufflers.

Dan


Dan thats a great reason not to have one.Working with my long tube headers now,I sure wish I didn't have a H pipe.
Next time I'm going with 3" pipe NO H-pipe.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Dubz
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posted 03-15-2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you have little backpressure from big pipes you don't need the pressure balance that an h or x pipe would give you....

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bluestreek
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posted 03-15-2003 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's something to think about. I still have the same 2 1/4" non-mandrel bent exhaust and no crossover behind my 331 stroker and still ran over 112 mph in the 1/4 just taking it easy. The darn thing runs quieter now than it did with the little 300HP 289 in it. 100 more HP made it run quieter!! Does that makes sense? GO figure!

Dan

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, CompCams Xtreme Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
e.t. 12.50 @ 112 mph

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steve'66
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posted 03-15-2003 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan,

I'd like to see what yours would run with open headers. Can you run it open and find out? Worth 3-5 mph on most cars that I've seen.
Maybe yours is the exception.

SteveW

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bluestreek
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posted 03-15-2003 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're probably right SteveW. This little exhaust system makes my motor sound like it has a corn cob stuck up its pipe.

Dan

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Rustang
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posted 03-17-2003 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An H-pipe should make the car quieter. X-Pipe even more.
I also think Flowmasters are quieter the stronger your exhaust pulses are. The only experience I have with Flows is on my pickup. It's loud as hell at idle, but doesn't get as loud as you'd expect at higher r's.

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