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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-13-2003 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did get my headers in,what a PITA. The shortys were a lot more easy.The new long tubes one of the tubes hit the lower side of the passanger shock tower.I got mad enough yesterday,and now there is just a small clearence.But to get those header bolts on.
The drivers side one of the tubes all but covers the last lower bolt hole in the valve cover.After 1/2hour of try to get some thing to fit.I used a screw headed bolt and a real thin long screw driver.The drivers side headed exits about 5" before were the Ebrake cable bolts to the frame support.So the new exhaust hook up is going to have to turn down and in fast.I hope that does not off set any flow I pick up with the new headers.The plug wirers are going to be even closer to the headers pipes now.

The new water pump the pulling now hit the lower alt bracket and needs to be spaced out about 1/4" or more.Who makes water pump pully spacers and when can I get some?

I spent almost 6 hours in the last two days.Just trying to get a few things hooked up.At this rate I'll drive the car again by May.

I sure hope those long tube headers are wroth it.So much for low buck QUICK upgrades.

I'll stop now.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Mpcoluv
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From: Charlotte NC usa
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posted 03-13-2003 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I did get my headers in,what a PITA. The shortys were a lot more easy.The new long tubes one of the tubes hit the lower side of the passanger shock tower.I got mad enough yesterday,and now there is just a small clearence.But to get those header bolts on.
The drivers side one of the tubes all but covers the last lower bolt hole in the valve cover.After 1/2hour of try to get some thing to fit.I used a screw headed bolt and a real thin long screw driver.The drivers side headed exits about 5" before were the Ebrake cable bolts to the frame support.So the new exhaust hook up is going to have to turn down and in fast.I hope that does not off set any flow I pick up with the new headers.The plug wirers are going to be even closer to the headers pipes now.

The new water pump the pulling now hit the lower alt bracket and needs to be spaced out about 1/4" or more.Who makes water pump pully spacers and when can I get some?

I spent almost 6 hours in the last two days.Just trying to get a few things hooked up.At this rate I'll drive the car again by May.

I sure hope those long tube headers are wroth it.So much for low buck QUICK upgrades.

I'll stop now.




I bet I have 40 hours of "adjustment" to finally get my clutch linkage and the 351C Tubular Automotive headers to peacefully co exist.......

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Tea'sGrabber
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posted 03-13-2003 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tea'sGrabber   Click Here to Email Tea'sGrabber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who's headers are they??? Try to get the 2 end bolts started so you can pull the header away from the head. You can also pull one motor mount bolt out so you can raise the motor.

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Todd 71 Mav Grabber All orig 306 cu.in. Cast Iron heads. Carillo Rods.Best et. 10.71 @ 124 thru the mufflers.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 03-13-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If everything was easy, it wouldsn't be any fun. Even when I have trouble with my car, it's still better than being at work.

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Ben
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Tea'sGrabber
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posted 03-13-2003 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tea'sGrabber   Click Here to Email Tea'sGrabber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ditto!!!!!!!!!!! Ben!!

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Todd 71 Mav Grabber All orig 306 cu.in. Cast Iron heads. Carillo Rods.Best et. 10.71 @ 124 thru the mufflers.

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rockafellz
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posted 03-13-2003 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I did get my headers in,what a PITA. The shortys were a lot more easy.The new long tubes one of the tubes hit the lower side of the passanger shock tower.

Hey Ron,

When I put my headers in it helped a lot that I had my uncle guiding and holding the headers from the top and me underneath the car listening to his directions.

The funny thing is, when we installed the headers, the collector tube wasn't hitting the shock towers. After a ROMP in an industrial area on a weekend, the #2 primary is now leaning against the shock tower. I haven't worried about it ever since, but i'm not sure if the cast iron head can possibly crack from a strong run. Anyone know this??

At least you've got it in now Ron!!

Erik

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1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress

1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
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Fastymz
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posted 03-13-2003 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ben your so right about that.
I got to point when something does fit together right.I go and do a victory dance.
I also started talking to myself too.
I found out that SCOOP guy doesn't know much about cars.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Tea'sGrabber
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posted 03-13-2003 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tea'sGrabber   Click Here to Email Tea'sGrabber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lower shock towers are just begging for a 10lb sledge!!!!

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Todd 71 Mav Grabber All orig 306 cu.in. Cast Iron heads. Carillo Rods.Best et. 10.71 @ 124 thru the mufflers.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-13-2003 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
Hey Ron,

When I put my headers in it helped a lot that I had my uncle guiding and holding the headers from the top and me underneath the car listening to his directions.
but i'm not sure if the cast iron head can possibly crack from a strong run. Anyone know this??

At least you've got it in now Ron!!

Erik


Erik send your uncle over for a weekend.I sure could use the help.
I dont think it would crack your heads.And my is the #2 tube also not the collectors.
I know they are on,but I had to whine about it to some one.My wife just tells me to leave whats on there alone.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html

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Fastymz
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posted 03-13-2003 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tea'sGrabber:
Lower shock towers are just begging for a 10lb sledge!!!!


I tried but not enough room to swing it.I also got so mad I hit it. Big mistake,then I tried kicking the collectors over.On and on,until I got a small hammer in there and beat the hell out of it.It moved it about 1/64 of an inch.So I said **** it and put them on.I'll worry about it later.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html

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rockafellz
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posted 03-13-2003 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Scoop,

I should have mentioned in one of your previous posts but completely forgot. I mocked up my headers and marked where the trouble spots would be and I took the headers over to a muffler shop and they heated the area with a blow torch (cherry red), then used a socket and lead mallet to indent the section that needed it. Cost me $10 to do and they put small indents where the spark plug wires would hit, then also put indents where the steering would come close to hitting. IMO, you should never hit the shock towers. That's where your upper control arm bolts to and if you alter that in any way, I think there would be a chance to ruin your alignment. Double-whammy!! Sorry, should have mentioned it. Bottom line is, IT'S IN NOW!!

Erik

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1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress

1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored

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mustangboy
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posted 03-13-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just be thankful its not a bigblock.Actually ill fitting headers are a pain on any engine.My headers were a real pain to install but fit well once they were on.When things start to go bad just walk away and try again later.Its amazing sometimes how simple something can seem after a few minutes away.Just keep the hammer hidden during those "other"times

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Fastymz
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posted 03-13-2003 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erik now you tell me.
Live and learn,next time I'll know what to expect and do better.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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ekbeanctr
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posted 03-13-2003 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekbeanctr   Click Here to Email ekbeanctr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, I'm really sorry to hear they were a PITA, especially since I will be installing mine in about 2 weeks. My only hope is that the Hookers install easier. Too bad you don't live closer. I could use somebody Experienced and Knowledgeable in these types of things to help me install mine. Ernie

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Fastymz
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posted 03-13-2003 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ekbeanctr:
I could use somebody Experienced and Knowledgeable in these types of things to help me install mine. Ernie


Now your making fun me of me too,take a number ok.

I'm sure yours will fit ok those hookers are built alot better.
If not I have some choice words you can use on them.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html

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bluestreek
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posted 03-13-2003 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Hookers have a sharper turn at the towers for more clearance and fit better but needed a few adjustments for bolt installation. You have to get all the bolts just started while moving the header around to find the right angle. I wound up finding smaller headed bolts and still made some slight dents for clearances.

I used the Hedmans this time because they had larger port entries but I also had to make a slight "adjustments" to the #5 and #6 exhaust pipe. I mock it up first, then I take a deep well socket and a hammer to make any needed clearance for bolts or shock tower. 1 3/4" pipes are even worse!!

Sorry I couldn't be more help. 351W in a 65-66 is not my specialty.

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, CompCams Xtreme Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
e.t. 12.50 @ 112 mph

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