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Fastymz
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posted 03-07-2003 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My new long tube header collector exits right were my battery cable run up my frame rail.The cable is no more then a 1/2" from the collector.Will that be to much heat for it?
I'm going to wrap the cable with reflective heat tape.Will that help it any?

Also on the headers will the copper sealant work as good as the orange stuff.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-07-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd sure move it. Use the hand test for wires. If you can keep your hand there it's cool enough for the wires.

Besides, heat increases resistance which reduces voltage.

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posted 03-07-2003 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I'd sure move it. Use the hand test for wires. If you can keep your hand there it's cool enough for the wires.

Besides, heat increases resistance which reduces voltage.


Steve I don't want to move to the outside of the frame.So I'm kinda stuck for now.

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posted 03-07-2003 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You also don't want to melt the cable and have a short or even fire.

You're right, you don't want the cable on the outside, you want it protected as much as possible.

At the very least, I'd get some sort of heat barrier or shielding between the two of them.

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posted 03-07-2003 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which cable Scoop? From the battery to the solenoid or the solenoid to the starter?

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posted 03-07-2003 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
You also don't want to melt the cable and have a short or even fire.

You're right, you don't want the cable on the outside, you want it protected as much as possible.

At the very least, I'd get some sort of heat barrier or shielding between the two of them.


I'm not saying your wrong,I'm just kinda stuck with it there.I use a heat tape made from DEI it's thick tape with a reflective outer side.Almost like header tape,it says it's good to 2000 degree's.I'll do some more thinking about this.I know what your saying about not wanting it to short out.

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posted 03-07-2003 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Which cable Scoop? From the battery to the solenoid or the solenoid to the starter?


From the battery to the solenoid and the wire from the alt to the battery.They are ran together.Along the frame rail.

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posted 03-07-2003 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simple solution! Run the cable up along the shock tower. See attatched photo.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-07-2003 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex I ran it that way already.It's where the collector ends down under the car next to the frame rail.That were the cable sits to close.
The new headers are more wide then the shortys were.Because of that the passenger header collector sits close to the inside of the frame rail.

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posted 03-07-2003 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Drill a hole in the bottom of the shock tower above the frame rail and route the cable through that way.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-07-2003 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex that gives me an idea.But the area I'm talking about is back from the shock tower a couple of inches.It's almost right under where the end of the heater core would be.
I'm really not trying to give you a bad time.I hope it does not sound that way.

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posted 03-07-2003 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I had your choice, then, I'd run it on the outside of the frame to get past the collector.

The heat tape you used, is it metallic?

Just thinking of your safety.

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posted 03-07-2003 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
If I had your choice, then, I'd run it on the outside of the frame to get past the collector.

The heat tape you used, is it metallic?

Just thinking of your safety.


The tape is metallic on the outside and cloth inside.I 1st wrap it with electrical tape.
I know all you guys are just trying to help.

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Bloose
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posted 03-07-2003 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose   Click Here to Email Bloose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about running the cable on through the inside of the car? I think there should be enough room in the channels down the rocker panels. I'm not sure though as I have not do this job, just a thought.

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steve'66
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posted 03-07-2003 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

Keep it away from heat. period

If it melts and shorts you've got a "carbeque"

Did you use a fusabile link at the battery? That's just a 2" peice of wire 2+ gauges smaller, so that if it does short the "link" will burn up before the rest of the wire.

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i know u dont want to redo it but on my convt i ran through the fenderwell under the hood hinge and drilled a hole behind the door hinge and ran it through the door channel to the back of the car good luck

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posted 03-08-2003 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Ron,

Keep it away from heat. period

If it melts and shorts you've got a "carbeque"

Did you use a fusabile link at the battery? That's just a 2" peice of wire 2+ gauges smaller, so that if it does short the "link" will burn up before the rest of the wire.

SteveW


I'll find a new way for it to go.
And I need to check to see if ran a fusabile link.

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