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Moneymaker
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posted 03-04-2003 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok all of you BBF hotshots, here's your chance to strut your stuff.
I am proposing a BBF 385 series build up by the M&M engine builders membership.
We would need to pick out parts, a machine shop would have to donate some service, and someone would be chosen to do the assembly.
The finished product would then be dyno tested and installed in a members car. I would propose the finished project engine be shared among as many members as possible throughout the season/end of the year.
What do you say?
Any takers?

If so, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT give or post your ideas on THIS thread.

Just post your willingness to participate as a labor supplier, parts donator, transportation person/shipper, or engineer etc.

I will start another thread when we have come to the conclusion that this is viable.
At that point we will begin solicitation for ideas (arguments a plenty )plans, and parts.

Once we have an action plan and begin it's implementation we will be probably casting votes or asking recomendations for appropriate test vehicles for this project.

My ultimate plan is as the project begins to take shape (if it does) to take it to the media in every venue. TV, print, Internet etc.
To the best of my knowledge, NOBODY has ever undertaken a "GROUP" internet website race engine building project. I am sure that HPTV, HRTV, ALL of the racing websites would love to do stories about a project of this nature.
Speak up now BBF guys, or forver keep your piece about how cheap and or easy it is to build up a BBF.
This will be a M&M and internet first!

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jkilroy
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posted 03-04-2003 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in for parts, labor, transport, whatever.

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Just Strokin
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On the surface, it sounds like a great thing to do....kinda like the old days when you hear the stories of the car clubs....but, say we all chip in this or that or money....who ends up with the motor and/or the parts that were donated or loaned?

Reason for asking is that I do have a few spare parts besides the items I am using to build my current motor.

Items such as a fairly decent set of aluminum rods and flat top .080 over pistons (lost a roller on a lifter and speckled a couple rods), 4 different size dominators, two spare intakes for dom's (victor and BT dual plane), 7 pair of herbert roller lifters, a spare new msd dizzy, couple still useable hv oil pumps, billet oil pump shaft, spare timing cover, 3 slot used timing set, 1.65 crane roller rockers, used set of 2.245 valves, used set of 1.76 valves, new set of comp 954 springs, retainers, locks and a few other miscellaneous items/gaskets....

See where I am going with this? Some of these parts I might want back but would be willing to loan out.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-04-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, for my personal part, I will donate that standard bore 460 truck block that I have on the classified forum.


How's that?

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 03-04-2003 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is a !!GREAT!! idea. If you could e-mail me with you're phone number please. I want to talk about some details.

It just so happens I own a machine shop, and am willing to donate some service. Mabe a STAGE 5 induction system?

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posted 03-04-2003 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Just Strokin:
On the surface, it sounds like a great thing to do....kinda like the old days when you hear the stories of the car clubs....but, say we all chip in this or that or money....who ends up with the motor and/or the parts that were donated or loaned?

Reason for asking is that I do have a few spare parts besides the items I am using to build my current motor.

Items such as a fairly decent set of aluminum rods and flat top .080 over pistons (lost a roller on a lifter and speckled a couple rods), 4 different size dominators, two spare intakes for dom's (victor and BT dual plane), 7 pair of herbert roller lifters, a spare new msd dizzy, couple still useable hv oil pumps, billet oil pump shaft, spare timing cover, 3 slot used timing set, 1.65 crane roller rockers, used set of 2.245 valves, used set of 1.76 valves, new set of comp 954 springs, retainers, locks and a few other miscellaneous items/gaskets....

See where I am going with this? Some of these parts I might want back but would be willing to loan out.



Hey Larry BE CAREFUL Your supposed to be MY SPARE PARTS GUY!

The only thing I have that would be any good for the project would be a MSD distributor. I'll be glad to laon it out. I run a pretty lean operation. No need for spares if you don't tear up stuff. Actually no need for spares if you haven't raced in a year
I got an idea, since I am through with my motor and it's ready to crank, y'all can build me a SPARE! yeah thats the ticket. LOL I volunteer my chassis. PLUS side is: already set up for BBF. EZ in and EZ out. Induction system is already in place. ( can't run the car without the Hat just wouldn't be cool. I guess count me in. I have no idea how to contribute but Jay, Bob & Larry are in my neck of the woods if that helps. I think I have a stock crank and some PI heads around here somewhere, but I would hope we could do better than that.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-04-2003 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the typical installed height on BBF valve springs? I have several sets of very high quality used Pacoloy springs.

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 03-04-2003 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
What's the typical installed height on BBF valve springs? I have several sets of very high quality used Pacoloy springs.



How about we match the springs with the cam we use? Then I can set the spring installed hight to what ever it needs to be. Cut the pads and use cupped shims.

But before that, how much power are we trying to get out of this thing?

Ps: Did you read my post above?

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-04-2003 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although this build-up will probably take place in the midwest or right coast, and I don't have any 385 stuff, I'd be happy to be of service if needed

my papa's Galaxie could be the 'testing' specimen

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steve'66
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posted 03-04-2003 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Just Strokin:
On the surface, it sounds like a great thing to do....kinda like the old days when you hear the stories of the car clubs....but, say we all chip in this or that or money....who ends up with the motor and/or the parts that were donated or loaned?


How about if the mamager of this project keeps track of the value of each person's contributions. Then when it's all over the engine is sold and the proceeds are dispersed equally, percentage wise. That would work out for everyone.
Personally I don't have anything big enough for a BBF, but I'll help out with whatever I can. Sounds like a great way to showcase M&M's talented 385 gurus' talent!

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 03-04-2003 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we probibly wont want to be spending 30,000.00 on this engine or any whare close to that figure, I think we should use some iron CJ heads.

Just Strokin, you have a victor 460 intake?

So who gets the engine when it's all done?

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Buster
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posted 03-04-2003 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why a 385? No biggie, just askin

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-04-2003 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by D&S Induction Systems:

How about we match the springs with the cam we use? Then I can set the spring installed hight to what ever it needs to be. Cut the pads and use cupped shims.

But before that, how much power are we trying to get out of this thing?

Ps: Did you read my post above?


Was it directed towards me?
If so, sure. My number is no secret.
708-447-4912


We really do need a "manager" as Steve suggested on this project if it gets up and running. Any volunteers? It can't be me as I have way to much on my plate already. I'll help with as much as I can and definatly supply input, advice and some parts if we need them. I may even be able to get some dyno time donated if nobody else can come up with any.
If we do wind up in Minn for some machine work, the natural choice would be Line Performance. If we wind up down south for the finish assembly then I would of course see what I can do about having Kuntz & Co. donate a dyno session.

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steve'66
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posted 03-05-2003 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can manage the project if you all would like me too. That's what I do for a living.
But I'd like to be the bookeeper, not the project coordinator. I don't have the 385 knowledge.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-05-2003 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve would be prefect for the job of bookeeper.
This is a great idea you had Alex.I can't wait to see what you guys come up with.I wish I could give something to the project too,but I have a hard time keeping up with my own car right now.
I can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-05-2003 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
I can manage the project if you all would like me too. That's what I do for a living.
But I'd like to be the bookeeper, not the project coordinator. I don't have the 385 knowledge.

SteveW


Bookkeeper, manager, bean counter, organizer, enforcer, whatever you want to call it. Someone to keep track of who;s doing what and who;s giving/getting/supplying what.

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CLAMHEAD would be the natural choice for engine GURU. We 385 guys will need his supernatural ability to make large displacement boat anchors fly. After all we will need every advantage we can get!
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posted 03-05-2003 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if yall wanna ship the motor up here to Canada when you are done, i would gladly welcome it in my Torino.....

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posted 03-05-2003 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well this is whare I stand...

I am up for doing porting and all of the machine work and building on the upper end of the engine. (heads intake) All I ask in retuirn is some publicity for my company.

As of right now, I dont have any extra parts I can contribute, as far as heads, intakes etc... Everything I have, I need.

I am willing, and would like to manage the building of the engine, as far as who is doing what and so on. As most of you, I also have alot going on. So this would be a on the side project for me. But would shurly get done in a timely fassion.

There are still alot of things that would need to be worked out and agreed apon. Like what car does this go in, does somone pay for this engine etc..

As far as a manager goes, we should vote. We should have a vote thread that goes for 24 hours, and who ever gets the most votes, gets the job.

We should also have a parts list thread. You could list out the pars you're willing to donate for the cause. Once we have all of the parts we need, have them shipped to the correct place for work.

Having said all of that, I also would like to say I can understand if you don't trust me. Most of you would probibly wan't Alex or somone you know more, to handle you're parts.
A project like this, takes alot of trust and team work. But it could be done.

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posted 03-05-2003 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Buster:
Why a 385? No biggie, just askin

Buster, I don't think there are any bad feelings toward building a FE engine, it's simply a matter of:

1) where this idea was spawned from, which was from an eariler thread that centered around a comparison of smallblocks vs. BBF (primarily the 429/460 mill); and,
2) the fact that Alex has a 460 truck block ready for such a challenge!

I'd dare say if THIS project goes the distance, M&M would likely do other such projects, such as a "Luv Chil" Clev' or a "old school, dyed-in-the-wool" FE in the future!

I think this sounds like a really cool project and I'm sure M&M and those supplying parts/service would get some advertising out of it...I would guess that this would be a unique enough project that it very well may get a magazine to do a spread on it & this site!! That would be doublely very for SteveLaR & Alex who have put many, many hours into this site!

For those of us that don't have extra 385 series parts lying around, could very well keep an eye out for things that we would need along the way.......

I suppose the project manager would want to establish a timeline as to when we'd want this baby to be done by.

Lastly, a POBox could be established to which $$ donations could be sent for....

This is a Verrry idea indeed!!

Ryan

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I will be happy to donate my car for a chassis. It doesn't look like much but it would be the perfect test bed. 88 turbo coupe. Currently a manual but I plan on an auto anyway. My current living situation isn't going to allow me to build the car any time soon anyway(I am 1500 miles away from it) I need to go home and get some stuff anyway, at which point in time I could just get the car and drop it off by Alex for install and testing. When done engine could be pulled parts go back to rightful owners and I could install my planned small block for back to back comparision.

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I dont' have any big block parts but I would like to help in any way I can!! Sounds like a very cool project!!!

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I;ve got two sets of closed chamber heads. One set are Dove Cs. Both are bare but have no cracks. I am willing to donate one set to the cause.


Let me know where to send a set?...

Are we going to setup a $ Donation place for this?

I might want to see if I can fit that 385 in my Falcon for a test run or two.!!!

Great idea ALEX!!!!
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i dont have any bb stuff either, but i will check out my sons storage shed!!

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How are we doing on cranks, rods, and pistons? Intake manifold?
If we don't come up with someone's used cam and lifters I would pop for a Comp flat tapped piece and lifters.
As many of you know I have a pretty good relationship with Car Craft and MM&FF writer Evan Smith. I am fairly confident that they would both love to do magazine articles on a internet website group engine build up and subsequent dyno and track test.
Once we get the crux of the parts at least committed, and pick our machine shop base. (looks like D&S is stepping up in that area big time) we can begin to set some goals.
Then we can get our logistics in order.
As far as a test bed(s), we have all summer to pick them. I would like to see the motor in at least 2-3 cars this year.

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[/QUOTE] we can begin to set some goals.

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Is a low to mid 11 sec car that runs on pump gas and on the street a realistic goal?

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posted 03-05-2003 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 64FalconF-16:

we can begin to set some goals.

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Is a low to mid 11 sec car that runs on pump gas and on the street a realistic goal?[/B]
[/QUOTE]

It had better not be!

If we can't make this project run tens in street car and nines in a race car then we should stop before we start!

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posted 03-05-2003 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't remember if I have any 385 parts or not, I will go root through my stash over in my Ex-wifes garage. (She got the house and all the money but I got to store my car stuff) I know I used to have some 429 or 460 parts but I don't remember if I still have them.

I think a good way to pick test vehicles would be that they already are set up for a 385 series engine and pick the three cars with the best 60' times. That way the engine goes into a car that is working and will show the engines potential.

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posted 03-05-2003 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle   Click Here to Email Kyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I may be able to help out with a chassis too. My girlfriend's dad is getting out of mustang "collecting". He said I could have whatever I wanted. His cars:

-'69 GT coupe, 302, 4-speed
-'73 fastback, 302, auto
-'70 coupe, 302, auto

I could donate one of these, and that way the car could just be passed from member to member across the country without having to worry about who holds the title, who insures the car, etc. We could do whatever we wanted to do to it and not worry about asking permission or worry about having to give it back. They aren't big block cars right now, but that can be changed. Just a thought...

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'69Stang
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posted 03-05-2003 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome idea, wish I could help. Maybe some $'s.

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posted 03-05-2003 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordracer30   Click Here to Email fordracer30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have roller cams & lifters.I have 429 & 460 cranks. More Misc. I suggest we meet at Columbus Swap if the ball is rolling.That will save shipping and many will be there any how.

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posted 03-05-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 4.3 stroke Fowler crank, a set of arp rocker studs and manley guideplates, all new.

Hey Alex, I have three, count em, three brand new service replacement blocks, never been assembled.

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posted 03-05-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a similar, but different, suggestion, we, as a group, could always build my BBF. I will supply parts, as decided on by the group, at my expense, naturally, and we can test it in my 68 fastback. How is that for an offering?

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posted 03-05-2003 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I mentioned earlier, I'd like to get it off the ground first then eventually see the engine in at least 3 members car throughout the year.

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posted 03-05-2003 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I you ask me, I think Alex should be the main guy in charge of the project. He knows the Car Craft guys and would need to know whare the car/engine is.

What about contacting HP T.V.?
Does somone want to build the lower end?

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posted 03-05-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65coupei6   Click Here to Email 65coupei6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds interesting. I would really like to follow the buildup. Since I have a small 6 I can not really donate any performance parts. But I can donoate some nice polished stainless steel bolts for the final apperance.

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posted 03-06-2003 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just wondering, what is the objective of this. What I mean is if the objective is to build the most horsepower possible you won't do it with donated/cast off parts.

Or if the objective to build a fairly powerful engine as cheaply as possible?

This isn't a criticism, a group project is great, I'm just unclear on what we're trying to accomplish.

The only BBF part I have is an Accel dual point, {351C uses the same dist.} but that's probably not even worth bothering with.

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posted 03-06-2003 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's why I started it.
Several members expressed oppinions on the value of a BBF over a SBF. The thread grew and I realized that we have far more BBF fans and members on M&M than I thought.
I disputed the ability of building a BBF that produces 650+ HP for less than $4000 (and I still do!)so I offered up a challenge.
The premise is to use the resources of M&M members to buld up the most powerful 385 BBF for as little cash outlay as possible.
The project met with tremendous response from the membership and it appears that it will make it to fruition.
I donated a block, D&S has donated cylinder head work,Kilroy a shed full of stuff, and on and on.
Once some more logistics are worked out we will start the machining and assembly.
We'll take photos and spread the word to the rest of the media and see how much INK we can get for M&M world wide.
The finished product will be dynoed, then installed in at least three members cars for drag strip testing. We may make some tuning changes along the way. IE Carb, intake, cam etc.
SO far it looks like a boat load of fun and we should get a ton of good exposure from it. I do not believe that any other internet FoMoCo/Mustang group has ever undertaken a project like this and taken it to completion.

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posted 03-19-2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So,,,what is the status of this proposed project?

Ryan

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posted 03-19-2003 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ask all of the 385 mavens?
My offer still stands.

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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
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posted 03-19-2003 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a guy on here named Kert that is starting a BBF build up. Looks like that would be a good place to start. I still have an MSD and some PI heads. Personally, I'd rather see a set of SCJ's on it though. Just my .02
later
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