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Fstln69
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posted 03-03-2003 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a set of erson roller rockers on our 351w i have no idea what the ratio is.I know they were the cheaper ones i bought from a buddy when he went 460.Anyone familiar with them and would know what ratio or how to find out?
Thanks Dennis

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-03-2003 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are probably 1.60's Dennis. They are usually stamped somewhere on the body.
Are they the black "A" frame rockers?

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Fstln69
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posted 03-03-2003 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No they are silver like the cheap cranes

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Fstln69
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posted 03-03-2003 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason i am asking is what is everyone using 1.6's 1.7's
was wondering if i went to 1.7's on the intake if that would help
lunati bracketII cam
.523int .555exh
@050 dur 230 int 240 exh
102 center line 106 lobe seperation
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posted 03-03-2003 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on the Cam.

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Alex Denysenko
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Fstln69
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posted 03-04-2003 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tt edited last post Alex

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-04-2003 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just don't like that cam one bit.
I would try some of the other stuff we spoke about first like carb spacers and headers.
The rockers might help, but I think that I would change cams.

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Alex Denysenko
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Fstln69
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posted 03-04-2003 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah i know your right on the cam change,this snow has me bored to death and i'm doing to much damn computer tuning

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posted 03-04-2003 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL.

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Alex Denysenko
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posted 03-04-2003 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lawless   Click Here to Email lawless     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are 1.6

Super Shops sold a whole bunch of them out west when they were in business....

I've had a few sets of them and haven't had any problems with them.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-04-2003 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lawless:

Super Shops sold a whole bunch of them out west when they were in business....


What ever happened to 'SuperShops' anyway??

Were they bought out or simply go under???

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posted 03-04-2003 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Supershops was owned by an entreprenaur named Harry Hibler. He was an big time west coast tire wheeler dealer who loved hot rodding. They were enormously successful on the west coast and probably would have been around had they not made three critical mistakes.
1)They expanded to the southwest, and midwest. They did a horrible job or recruiting personell and hired the worst no nothing imbiciles (probably all working at Pep Boys now) you could imagine.

2) They tried to go into competition with Summit and Jegs.
They opened up a mail order warehouse that was second to none in price, and service.
It was called ASAP in case any of you can remember them. I purchased a lot of parts from them. Always cheaper than Summit or Jegs, and a staff that would bend over backwards for you. Price match or beat. They also had one of the nicest catalogs you ever have seen.
3) The final nail in the coffin.
They bought Mallory and Sig Erson. Both companies were merged and the plan was to sell camshafts and valve train componants, and ignition products cheaper than anyone else. Hibler sunk a lot of money into Erson moving them into the new melinium. Their technology came right up with the best.
Unfortunatly, several things happened. Holley was bought and merged with Lunati and they developed their own ignition line. The major WD's backed off on their Mallory
/Erson purchases as Holley offered deals so deep that they could not be refused. Anyone remember that? Summit and Jegs had Lunati Cam and lifters for $89.95. Accel droped their prices also.
Next thing you know, ASAP was history. Super Shops soon followed. No amount of BFG tires sales could rescue them.

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posted 03-04-2003 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alex, thanks for clearing up the ASAP mystery. I always wondered what happened to them.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-04-2003 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
--- I remember having a ASAP catalog,,, & I still have a SuperShops T-shirt!

Thanks for the history lesson, Alex!!

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posted 03-04-2003 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, Do you Remember Honest Ccharley's Speed shops? I think they originated around Knoxville or Chatanooga TN. Back in the Late 70's early 80's. They had one in Hattiesburg, MS. where I grew up. Back then it was THE place to buy stuff. I still have one of their shirts Cool info about supershops

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posted 03-04-2003 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Rockers that i started this thread about were purchased at Super Shops in Burbank.The guys working there were morons but being in the hipo business for years prior i always had them give me the catalog for what i wanted to buy and i told them the part numbers.Never had a problem with my purchases and i think i taught a few of them a little.Shame the way of the LOCAL speed shops are gone pretty much it was a nice business to have been in and a great way to meet fellow gearheads.Probably even waited on you once or twice Alex at performance
Dennis
btw:wonder how Urso is doing?
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posted 03-04-2003 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes I well remember Honest Charlies. I bought some stuff from them. My favorite in the 70's was Gratiot in Detroit. They had a LOT of FoMoCo stuff.

I almost beat the f*ck out the Burbank S Shops store manager once Dennis. LOL
They called the cops on me and everything. Long story.

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posted 03-04-2003 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

I almost beat the f*ck out the Burbank S Shops store manager once Dennis. LOL
They called the cops on me and everything. Long story.



I think i know which guy your talking about Alex what a [email protected]#^head

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posted 03-04-2003 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erson back in the day was junk! I don't know how good the stuff holds up now. Seemed like back in the day if the guy you where racing on the weekends cam went flat it was an 99% chance it was an Erson cam.

Ah, but I remember good old Super Shops..Erson, Mallery and BFG's and some flashy chrome junk is about all they tried to push. They did have good prices though. Bought all the parts from them till they went under. Even had a unilite 2000! LOL.. I used my reciept for it at least once a month cuz the optic eye would fry so easy.

Alex was dead on when he said all the idiots behind the Super Shops counter are now the idiots behind PepBoys counter! LOL!

But when Super Shops went under I went into debt with all the junk I picked up from them...8mm mallory wire sets for 10.00 bucks. Edelbrock intakes for 45.00! I spent alot of money...I think I made tripple in profit after the fact though.

Here in my home town there is still a huge market left wide open. Not a speed shop in 200 maybe 300 miles from here well except ricer ghetto exhaust tip and foot pedal shops.

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posted 03-04-2003 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember ASAP and of course SUPER SHOP.I never knew until now what happen to them.

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posted 03-05-2003 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GRRRRRRRRRR........Gratiot still owes me a cam I ordered back in 1978-79-80 time frame. I got caught ordering a cam and sending them the money and never got the cam. Even got the bankruptcy papers about filiing for a claim, which I did, but never got a cent....

Till that time, they were pretty decent with prices and parts on hand.

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