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FASTFORD
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posted 02-20-2003 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FASTFORD   Click Here to Email FASTFORD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How much nitrous can the average basically stock 289 SAFELY handle? How much faster will it be with it? Dont know much about nitrous

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-20-2003 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aviod NOS like the plague. unless you want an excuse to blow up your 289 and get a bigger engine

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Fstln69
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posted 02-20-2003 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually a good 125hp shot of nos would be fine with a GOOD fuel delivery system.Key to nos is never skimp on the fuel system....ever!!!!!Read every thing you can about nitrous before you try or use it.It works great when used correctly.
Dennis

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Fastymz
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posted 02-20-2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Fstln69
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posted 02-20-2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On my tow vehicle lots of years ago i ran it off and on the nitrous.went [email protected] off the juice went [email protected] on 125 shot.

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65_289
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posted 02-20-2003 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Trailer_Trash:
aviod NOS like the plague. unless you want an excuse to blow up your 289 and get a bigger engine

What's wrong with the brand NOS? Are you an NX man or something?

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-20-2003 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, lol, i didnt even realize i said the brand. i was just in a hurry and tried to abbreviate nitrous.

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-20-2003 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i say stay away from nitrous because i dont believe in power in bottle-form. i saw a good quote on here. "All throttle, no bottle" and i firmly believe in that. nitrous is cheating in my opinion. when i see somebody (besides a ricer) with a bottle of NOS, it says to me "i am too lazy and cheap to work on my engine to make it go faster"

nitrous is not true power. if you want cheap "fake" power, at least get a turbo or super charger, not a bottle that might damage your engine.

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MrWesson22
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posted 02-20-2003 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nitrous is forced induction like anything else. If you think blower/turbo is safe and nitrous isn't, you need to do some more research. They're simply ways to introduce more oxygen to the combustion chamber. With a blower or with nitrous, if you go lean, you're in trouble. You just have to be safe on the tune and make sure there's plenty of fuel. Ever seen what happens when someone gets greedy with their boost? It's not much better than getting greedy with nitrous.

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65_289
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posted 02-20-2003 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Trailer_Trash:
...when i see somebody (besides a ricer) with a bottle of NOS, it says to me "i am too lazy and cheap to work on my engine to make it go faster"...

You're right. Bill Glidden is lazy and cheap. That Pro 5.0 is making fake horsepower. Derrick Smith also runs a Pro 5.0 nitrous engine. He must be lazy too.

http://www.nmraracing.com/2002/race1/article/

http://www.synerlec.com/bglidden/bglidden.shtml

I used to be like you. But then I realized something. Speed is speed. Doesn't matter if it's an N/A 800 cubic inch hemi, or a 2.0L with 40 lbs of boost. If the rules say it isn't cheating, then it isn't cheating.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-21-2003 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Trailer_Trash:
oh, lol, i didnt even realize i said the brand. i was just in a hurry and tried to abbreviate nitrous.

Try N2O

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CometGT1974
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posted 02-21-2003 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell John Force that superchargers make "fake" horsepower!! As the guky on 20/20 would say......."gimme a break"!!!

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n2oMike
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posted 02-21-2003 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Umm, wanna race?

It's just a 289 headed 302 that runs on pump gas. It doesn't even have a full race C4 and loose converter... just an 'old school' 100% stock toploader.

Oh, you better not be running race fuel or an 8" converter. Those are just for 'race' cars. Now THAT would be cheating!

It takes research and attention to detail to make a nitrous engine live a long life. The numbskulls that just 'slap a bottle on it' and crank up the power, don't generally last very long. They kill parts, go broke, and cuss everyone that knows how to use it.

To each his own... just don't bring a knife to a gun fight!

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65_289
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posted 02-21-2003 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well now that we have that settled, back to the original post. I bet if you have enough fuel, correct plugs, and retard the timing properly, a 100 or 125 boost should be ok on 93 octane. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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CometGT1974
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posted 02-21-2003 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Should be ok, but if I were gonna spray on a consistent basis I would want forged pistons. And I wouldn't take an old motor that needs a rebuild and throw a shot on it and expect it to live. They say up to a 150 shot on a stock 5.0 is about the limit. We put the bottle on my brothers 88 5.0 when it had 60,000 miles on it. I would say that he used the nitrous quite regularly and didn't hurt anything until the motor had 125,000 miles on it. That's a testimony to the strength of factory FoMoCo parts!! We were extremely hard on that car, went through 8 T5 trannies.Just keep in mind that if you are gonna run N2O you need to pull out some timing and make sure that you have a good fuel system. You can always take extra precaution with fuel pressure safety switches and so on.

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n2oMike
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posted 02-21-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/004197.html


The 'technical' stuff has already been covered in the above. (this exact same topic came up not very long ago) I like to help people out just as much (if not more) than the next guy.

Good Luck!

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capri man
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posted 02-21-2003 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the pros that spray their engines know what they are doing as well as a lot of people on this board. however i have seen to many hoods blown off etc. by inexperienced people. all i gotta say is, be careful out there.

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 02-21-2003 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want to go with "forced induction", I recomend you get a super charger. Just because there is less to go wrong. (Now just relax, I'm not talking about a 16-71 when I say less to go wrong.)

There is good points and bad points to both.
Some good points on Nitrous:

Cost:
Hp/Dollar ratio "You get a good bang for you're buck".

Easy to install:
You can install Nitrous on anything.

Easy to street:
The power can be turned On and off.

Cheaper than a super charger:

-Bad points to Nitrous-

High mantainance:
You need to keep filling the bottle, and the system CLEAN!! If you're System for some reason runs "lean" Bye-bye pistons etc...

And on a personal note, I think Nitrous is fine for an extra poweer gain but eneings that make there power because of the Nitrous and Nitrous only, are a joke. Anybody can pump an engine full of juce, but a real engine builder makes power W/O it.

As far as you're 289 goes. Get a 125 plate, learn how to use it, keep the system CLEAN, and you will be fine.

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-21-2003 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry guys. i should have made it clear that i wasn't referring to race cars.

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