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Fastymz
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posted 02-19-2003 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have a torque wrench that goes down to 10 lbs.Can I just hand tighten the bolts.The book calls for 10 lbs when wrench starts at 20.
The cam is in the motor,but I'm still a long ways off from starting it.I used a whole tube of cam lube on the cam.Man that stuff gets ever where.
I'm having a great timing with this project.Just not enough hours in the day.Do you guys pre oil your liftes and pump them up before you install them.
One more thing the crank gear wont just slide on,and I don't want to beat it on.How do you guys get the crank gear on?
Can I put some lube on the inside of the crank gear 1st?

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BlueMule
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posted 02-19-2003 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
soak the lifters as long as you can. i used to go over night.

sounds like you either don't have the key all the way home in the crank or it's been abused in the past and needs to be replaced. don't be beating on the gear.

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Just Strokin
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posted 02-19-2003 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

when ever I run across something that calls for 10 ft/lbs....I use a short wrench or 1/4" drive socket and ratchet to tighten this nut, bolt, etc. When I tight it....I put my thumb on the wrench and just use thumb pressure to get it as snug as I can. I usually use some Locktite blue or red on it also.

This is the same method I have used for years to adjust the bands on a C4 or C6 and hasn't failed me yet.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 02-19-2003 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On those thrust plate bolts, I use red loctite. Just remember that you did; in the event you change cams in the future, you'll need to heat up the bolt heads with a soldering iron to soften up the loctite bond before they'll budge.

The crank gear. Sure, you can grease it a little. You can also try some emery cloth on the very leading edge of the crankshaft snout; it may be 'mushroomed' just a bit. Do be careful to not sand the snout anywhere near the seal area. If the gear still dosen't want to behave, you can warm it up with a heat gun or soak it in boiling water. You'll need clean leather gloves to install it

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capri man
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posted 02-19-2003 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is that the gear you got from me? i never tried to install it but usually they will just slide on with your hand.

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Fastymz
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posted 02-19-2003 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
is that the gear you got from me? i never tried to install it but usually they will just slide on with your hand.


No Mike I went out and got a ture roller timming set from summit.
The key is alittle bagged up it was a real pain to get the old gear off.I used a gear puller and lots of oil.
I tried to sand it down alittle it really didn't help.
I'll try to sand some more.

Thanks for the help.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 02-19-2003 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I tried to sand it down alittle it really didn't help. I'll try to sand some more.

SCOOP,
I'd try using a little hand metal file on the crank snout leading edge and on the key edges...those babies are HARD; you'd be there a while with sandpaper!

Eitherway, be careful not to let any sanding or filing debris get into the oil pan that is probably sticking out just below it. I'd hang a rag around the oil pan front to prevent any contamination from entering it while the timing cover is off.

I'd also submerge your new double-roller timing chain in some motor oil...work it some and flip it over so you work out all the air bubbles from the rollers......

GOOD LUCK!
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Ryan Wilke
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posted 02-19-2003 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more thing, SCOOP:
Just in case you didn't notice, those thrust plate bolts are special...they aren't just any ol' bolts. They have a thinner than normal head to clear behind the timing gear. So if you loose one - you can't just use any other bolt to substitute it.

Don't ask how I first noticed that...

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-19-2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just tighten the damn thing down for crying out loud!
#@%$#&^%*^%$^%% 10 foot lbs &^%$#@&^%#&#%$#@&*$*^%$

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 02-19-2003 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Just tighten the damn thing down for crying out loud!
#@%$#&^%*^%$^%% 10 foot lbs &^%$#@&^%#?%$#@&*$*^%$


My...has it been a long day for Mr. D?

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steve'66
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posted 02-19-2003 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Just tighten the damn thing down for crying out loud!
#@%$#&^%*^%$^%% 10 foot lbs &^%$#@&^%#&#%$#@&*$*^%$



10-4,

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-19-2003 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wait until he meets Mr Clamhead!

Alex, there's someone in Sam's Place you gotta meet!

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Fastymz
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posted 02-20-2003 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Just tighten the damn thing down for crying out loud!
#@%$#&^%*^%$^%% 10 foot lbs &^%$#@&^%#&#%$#@&*$*^%$


I did

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SCOOP
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posted 02-20-2003 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is for all you care,or have nothing else to do.
I sanded down the snout alittle and put some motor oil on it.The gear went on ok,chain lined up good.It has a lot less slack then the old chain.I just need to adjust valves and sand and paint my headers.Almost done I'm hoping to be test driving it by the end of the Feb.

Alex,sorry for being think headed.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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posted 02-20-2003 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
...Almost done I'm hoping to be test driving it by the end of the Feb.





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69 Sportsroof
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posted 02-20-2003 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Scoop - When you paint your headers, use Krylon's 1200 degree paint. It contains ceramic and holds up extremely well on headers. I used it on my truck headers over a year ago and they are just now starting to show pits in them around the flange. Really good stuff and comes in several colors. You'll need to have your headers media blasted first (or if you're patient you can sand them down yourself) to make sure all of the rust and old paint is removed.

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posted 02-20-2003 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And.....if you carefully mask off your fingers, you can paint your finger nails to match at the same time.

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posted 02-20-2003 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
And.....if you carefully mask off your fingers, you can paint your finger nails to match at the same time.


ROTFLMAO

Wait are you making fun of me.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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posted 02-20-2003 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 69 Sportsroof:
Hey Scoop - When you paint your headers, use Krylon's 1200 degree paint. It contains ceramic and holds up extremely well on headers. I used it on my truck headers over a year ago and they are just now starting to show pits in them around the flange. Really good stuff and comes in several colors. You'll need to have your headers media blasted first (or if you're patient you can sand them down yourself) to make sure all of the rust and old paint is removed.

Thanks for the tip,I use VHT 1500 degree paint.I used it on my shorty headers and they still look good.
I do sand the headers all the way down to bare metal.My son sanded one of the headers for me yesterday.It's the 1st time he's helped me out.It was great to have him helping.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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posted 02-20-2003 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
things like that are things that he will never forget, SCOOP.

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quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
things like that are things that he will never forget, SCOOP.


I'll never forget it Mike.It was cool some of his friends came over and he was telling them about my 'his'car.
They all thought it was cool what he was doing and they liked the car.One them his dad has alittle ricer car the kid told me "I wish my Dad would get a real car like yours."

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Fstln69
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posted 02-20-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try por15 exhaust paint.I did the fairlanes headers 4 years ago with it and they still look good,theres some fuzz on em but atleast they lasted more then a year.You have to brush it on and it is a pain but worth it in the end
Dennis

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n2oMike
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posted 02-20-2003 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Black BBQ grill paint is cheap and effective... as long as you like the color black.

Otherwise VHT Flameproof coating is about as good as it gets for paint. It's rated at 1500 degrees, and comes in a variety of colors. It's a powdery type coating, and expect to use around three cans for a set of longtube headers. I used to use the white stuff before getting a coated set.

Good Luck!

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posted 02-20-2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VHT flameproof coating thats the stuff I use.It does work good,and yes I like the color black. My brother inlaw used the silver color it came out looking pretty good.
Three cans is all I got of it.So I'll make it work.
With raised welds should I use any sealant on the gaskets.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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