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7DMACH1
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posted 02-10-2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before with Harland Sharp Stud type Rockers.

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posted 02-10-2003 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After Jesel Shft Type Rocker Install.

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posted 02-10-2003 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray,

I just gotta ask,

What was the $/h.p. ratio?

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posted 02-10-2003 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you gained 10 hp and 10 ft-lb after

i dont really understang the charts tho never been to a dyno b4

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-10-2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you all could only imagine how far off it would be with stock stamped style rockers.

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posted 02-10-2003 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there anything Ray can do to remedy that 15-20 HP drop off out of the hole? Would that be the secondaries opening? If that's what it is, would opening them later resolve that?

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posted 02-10-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, he can move out of Philly!


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posted 02-10-2003 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any difference in engine smoothness and/or noise level, Ray.??

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posted 02-11-2003 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, the HP to Dollar ratio was not the real issue. By the studs flexing not only don't you realize the full lift of the cam it also puts stress on the rest of the valve train. It will cause premature valve guide wear. When you figure how much money I have in this engine I don't want it to break at high rpms and cause a lot more damage. They were $1375.00 plus $189.00 since I had to go with a different lenght push rod.

Paul, I'm not concerned with the hp loss when we punched it. We are in 4th gear. It won't do that in first gear.


Bluestreek, the engine really does feel smoother especially at 6000 rpms. The noise I think it may be less but with a solid cam it's hard to say.

ALEX, DON'T YOU BE TALKING ABOUT PHILLY LIKE THAT. ME AND RESTOMAN WILL COME OUT TO CHI-TOWN AND PAY YOU A VISIT JOEY MERLINO STYLE. LOL RAY

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posted 02-11-2003 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come on down Ray. I'll take you guys out to eat at the famous Rosebuds on Taylor street.

Then we'll take you over to Navy Pier where swimming is optional depending on your shoes.

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posted 02-11-2003 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMAO!!! RAY

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posted 02-11-2003 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's really cool, Ray. Would you happen to have the part number of the set you used handy?

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posted 02-11-2003 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part number, KRA 02211 ratio 1.73. RAY

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posted 02-11-2003 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, buddy!

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posted 02-11-2003 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a word of caution on Jessel Shaft rockers for Fords.
Jessel has several part numbers.
In the past they (Jessel) have been somewhat confused on what FoMoCo heads are what.
Anyone contemplating a Jessel shaft system should call them direct if at all possible (or have your engine builder call) and avoid buying from a mail order house/speed shop.
Even then your chances are only about 50/50 of getting the correct system.
We stopped using Jessel for just this reason.
Three shipping charges back and forth that were consumed by me netted us a credit for close to a thousand dollars and still no rockers.
We also had some roller tip quality issues that I'm told are now corrected. They were always handled very well at the track by Tom Martino personally.
Mark Tallent is currently having some adjuster wear problems with his that are not attributed to lubrication.
Regarless, Jessel is a quality manfacturer and provider of specialized valve train componants. They just happen to be more chebbie orientated.
After our incorrect shipping issues could not be satisfied, I switched over to T&D and never looked back.
I sold my all of Jessel stuff.
I now have 44 or so (two engines and spares) T&D rockers and retlated parts. The only failure I have experianced has been with a broken shaft retaining stud. We use the Ultra-Lite stuff with the optional oilers.
One set has over 400 runs on it and the other has only ten and dyno time.
If anyone is interested in the T&D product, e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with the appropriate FoMoCO specialist at T&D.

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posted 02-11-2003 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My engine builder ordered them direct form Jesel and we got the correct one the first time. RAY

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posted 02-11-2003 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray,

Nice job on everything, great looking car and plenty of power! Sweeeet

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posted 02-11-2003 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanx Steve, but now will it run???? LOL RAY

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posted 02-11-2003 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody want to guess on a et. 4spd top loader, 2.78 first gear. 4.33 rear, frame ties, slapper bars, street slicks 28x11.5. I'm hoping for 11.50's or better. What do you guys think?? RAY

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quote:
Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
Anybody want to guess on a et. 4spd top loader, 2.78 first gear. 4.33 rear, frame ties, slapper bars, street slicks 28x11.5. I'm hoping for 11.50's or better. What do you guys think?? RAY



Ray is that the car you put the shaft rockers on? Your blue car right? I think I missed something here somewhere.
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Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
Thanx Steve, but now will it run???? LOL RAY


LOW 11's!!
It could/would run 10's easy with a "race" c-4 and suspension tailored towards the 1/4 mile. It's a "Bad Assed" Street car Ray! Very

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Ray low 11's would be fast street car.
It's great to see a show car that really goes too.

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Ray, did you make the change due to a valvetrain failure, or was it just an upgrade?

I guess at low 11s too, if you can get it to hook up.

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Yes it's on the Blue 70 Mach1. I upgraded due to seeing a stud flex problem before there was a failure. Most calculators say the car should go 10.98 @123. That's with perfect conditions and driver. If it goes 11.30 @ 119 I would be happy. RAY

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posted 02-12-2003 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
Yes it's on the Blue 70 Mach1. I upgraded due to seeing a stud flex problem before there was a failure.

Did you have a stud girdle on it?

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posted 02-12-2003 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO!!

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