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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

Also, short trips where the engine and parts don't come up to temp and have time to evaporate all the moisture inside the engine can aid in sludge build up by diluting the oil with water and acids. This with no regular oil changes will sludge up an engine.

Some say that Quacker State use to cause sludge. I can't say for sure, since I have never knowingly used any.

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Larry

No fast Fords at this time but one fine cruising 96 F350 CC DRW Power Strokin diesel.
And one rusty 64 Fairlane nick-named the Rust Bucket....And sometimes called the Money Pit...

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Originally posted by Just Strokin:
Some say that Quacker State use to cause sludge. I can't say for sure, since I have never knowingly used any.

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Nope, it sure doesnt if it is changed with regular intervals. My grandfather runs nothing but QS. He bought an E-150 van new in 77 and ran nothing but QS thru it. In the early 90's, it burned an exhuast valve. It had approximately 200k miles on it at that time. We pulled the heads to have them gone thru and installed a new timing chain, the motor looked spotless inside.

Did I miss something? Are you changings cams or doing some porting on the heads? Why are you opening the motor up?

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Scoop,

Did I miss something? Are you changings cams or doing some porting on the heads? Why are you opening the motor up?

SteveW

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No Steve I have the timing cover off.And last spring I had the intake off.I was just wondering why the motor looked clean.ALmost like some one has been in it.
The heads are staying where they are for now.
I'm changing to long tubes.

I keep looking at the cam,it's right there.
I'll leave it for now.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150

Now would be a good time to change that timing chain, too. 1/2" deflection is borderline.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150

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Originally posted by Fastymz:

I keep looking at the cam,it's right there.
I'll leave it for now.

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Yeah! I think I still have one of Mel's earlier cams around, that and a new timing chain would be cheap and easy! Let me know if you want me to look. Free to you

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Yeah! I think I still have one of Mel's earlier cams around, that and a new timing chain would be cheap and easy! Let me know if you want me to look. Free to you

SteveW

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Would it work with my stock heads and lifters,rockers and push rods ect???
I can't get to deep into to this right now.

How hard is it to change the timing chain?

And a cam I've done that before either.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
How hard is it to change the timing chain?

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Would it work with my stock heads and lifters,rockers and push rods ect???
I can't get to deep into to this right now.

How hard is it to change the timing chain?

And a cam I've done that before either.

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Easy easy easy!! You've got it all apart, now is the time to swap in a better cam and install a new double roller timing chain. It really is no problem to do Ron, and with the guidance of the experts on M&M here you'll be fine.

Even with the stock heads, a mild cam will REALLY wake things up. If you don't do it now, then down the road when you do get around to it you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner.

Go for it Ron!!!!

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Cheers,
Ian
M&M Member #395
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Former owner of 1979 Mustang Indy 500 Pace Car #9R03F480505
Ian's Pace Car Website
Vancouver Island Mustang Association Website
Indy Pace Car Registry of Mustangs Official Website

The little cam I'm thinking of was a 262ish adv duration, just a little above stock. But enough to feel and work fine with your stock motor.

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Yeah Ron,

The little cam I'm thinking of was a 262ish adv duration, just a little above stock. But enough to feel and work fine with your stock motor.

SteveW

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Cool then see if you can find it.

Now can I reuse my push rods and lifters and rocker?

And what is a good cheap double timing chain to get?

How do you get the timing gear off the crank ?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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-Paul

70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000

'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'

I also noticed yesterday that the pointer marks on the timing gear,lower and upper gears where not pointing at each other.Both were at the bottom of the gears.Does any body else understand what I just wrote?
I always thought the linement marks on the gears were to face each other.Not both be at the bottom of the gears.
Ok I'll stop sorry I really can go on and on.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Now can I reuse my push rods and lifters and rocker?

You can reuse your push rods and rockers but I'd get new lifters.

And what is a good cheap double timing chain to get?

Nothing good is cheap and nothing cheap is good. Cloyes would be a good set (chain and gears) to get.

How do you get the timing gear off the crank ?

It just slides off. Once the gear is unbolted from the cam, both gears slide off together. At least in theory they do.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
I also noticed yesterday that the pointer marks on the timing gear,lower and upper gears where not pointing at each other.Both were at the bottom of the gears.Does any body else understand what I just wrote?
I always thought the linement marks on the gears were to face each other.Not both be at the bottom of the gears.
Ok I'll stop sorry I really can go on and on.

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And there brand non roller double chain and gears for $23.

And their brand push rods for $28.95 part # SUM-G6414 they say they are harden for guideplates but does it matter if I dont have guideplates?

These are parts I can afford right now.

Or what would be better and close to the same price?

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
What do you think about the Summit brand Lifters for $34.Part # SUM-HT900

And there brand non roller double chain and gears for $23.

And their brand push rods for $28.95 part # SUM-G6414 they say they are harden for guideplates but does it matter if I dont have guideplates?

These are parts I can afford right now.

Or what would be better and close to the same price?

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SCOOP,
If I was you, I'd use the old pushrods and put that $$ toward a better ($50-60) timing chain/gear set.

If Steve can locate and get you (that's really cool, Steve! ) that cam, then you'll also need some Assembly lube...

-- Do ya already have a new timing cover & H20 pump gasket, or were you going to try to just use silicone?

-- Maybe it's a good time to change that timing cover seal too?

Scoop, you line up the two marks together before you pull off the gears. Then don't turn the engine until you get the new gears on.

You can use the lifters Steve gives you with the cam, as long as it doesn't have too much wear which I doubt it will. You must have each lifter ride on the cam lobe it broke in on, Steve will have them all in order for you I'm sure.

Get the no name double timing chain set. Your current pushrods are fine, just clean them with carb cleaner. Buy some cam break in lube to keep everything lubed as it fires.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150

Ok so the summit timing set will work.I'll use my old push rods and maybe or maybe not new lifters.

But I most get lots of LUBE.

Ryan I just going to reuse the old timing cover with RVT and I have a new seal for it.
And I'm getting a new water pump too.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Now that we've talked you in to it, I sure hope I can find it.

SteveW

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Me too.

SteveL I dont question SteveW ever.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
LOL! Guys, do you think the timing marks line up perfectly every time the engine stops running?

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Well, of course they do....

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl

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Originally posted by capri man:
SCOOP, e-mail me your address. i got a new timing gear set that i bought off of e-bay and never used. they are noched to where you can install the cam straight up or advanced or retarded (like us) you might want to get some help installing it though.

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I'll email you asap.
Yep I'm sure I'll need more then alittle help.

Would the summit brand lifters be ok to use?
At $34 for the set they seem like good price.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:

Would the summit brand lifters be ok to use?
At $34 for the set they seem like good price.

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I think the'll be fine, but don't buy them yet. Let me search this evening first. It's been so long ago, and you've seen my garage. My storage shed is even worse.

your buddy,

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Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
WoW Ya'll I think ROn's gonna change a cam! "chants" Go Ron Go Ron Go Ron your gonna be so happy after this you'll want to build a stroker! Good Luck buddy your gonna do this. and it's gonna be a good thing. Cams are sweeeett!

your buddy,

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Jerry I think I maybe getting a cam.

Ok but your all going to be getting a lot email from me.AND QUESTIONS POSTED ON HERE.Just think of when I put the battery in the truck and times that by 50.

SteveW don't worry I was not rushing out to get them.
I was just trying to get an idea of money needed to do the change over.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Ok so how do I find TDC, with out the balancer on the car.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

Thank you all so very much for the help.
It makes me feel good when I can do something I've never done before.And do it right the 1st time.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html

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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Glen thats cool but I already have the book.
I just have never had a reason until now to really read it.
But I'm more of a hands on learner any ways.
Thats why I ask so many questions.It's been a long time since I've worked on cars.And I've never worked on them without some one else there to help.
So you and Steve load up the truck and come on over.

Thank you all so very much for the help.
It makes me feel good when I can do something I've never done before.And do it right the 1st time.

Thank you all so very much for the help.
It makes me feel good when I can do something I've never done before.And do it right the 1st time.

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OK HOW DO I DO THAT QUOTE THING?

Sounds good, I'll get the book to him.

I'm sure the cam swap will be very noticeable on your 351w Ron. This thread has got me thinking of rebuilding my old 289 now. It's just been sitting in the shed since last summer. I didn't even pour any lube in the cylinders

Erik

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1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Glen,

Sounds good, I'll get the book to him.

SteveW

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Steve thanks but I already have that book.
I've been reading it over and over again.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by rockafellz:
Wow!! I just read the entire post and THIS is a classic example of what M&M is all about!!

I'm sure the cam swap will be very noticeable on your 351w Ron. This thread has got me thinking of rebuilding my old 289 now. It's just been sitting in the shed since last summer. I didn't even pour any lube in the cylinders

Erik

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Erik your so right,I can't say thanks enoungh to the people on MM.
This is a ture one of akind place.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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Originally posted by rockafellz:
....I didn't even pour any lube in the cylinders

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....So Erik, We know that you KNOW you should have done it,,,,
NOW: are you going right out to that shed tomorrow with a can of WD-40 and/or some fuel oil in a squirt bottle and squirt a few squirts down the carb throat/intake ports, into each sparkplug hole and into each exhaust port??!! --- You'll be kicking yourself if the valves and valve seats get all rusted up!!

Then you'll stuff some fiberglass insulation or at least paper into those openings to keep the moisture and the mice out of it, right??

Sounds like a plan for tomorrow morning. I've still got the cast iron ex. manifolds on so I'll just stuff the collector. But I definitely have to squirt some oil into those spark plug holes. Should I also spray into the intake manifold? The carb is off and there's just a lift plate bolted on pretty tight. Also, how about the coolant passages? I know we tilted the motor over pretty good, but i'm sure there still some coolant sitting idle in the block. Should that be a reason for concern?

Thanks in advance.

Erik

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1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress

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Originally posted by rockafellz:
...Should I also spray into the intake manifold?

...Also, how about the coolant passages?

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1) If I was you, I'd remove the plate, squirt some fuel oil down each runner so I know some oil gets to each intake valve & seat. Then, I'd replace the plate.

2) I'd roll it around a bit to try and remove as much as possible (be careful not to spill out any motor oil from the breathers, it gets messy). Since you're in CA, any remaining probably won't freeze on you. But, it will still continue to rust inside....especially, if it's 100% water.

Ryan

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Originally posted by itlbrnmoff:
Hey Scoop...don't forget, you'll have to remove the intake again to get the lifters out and the new ones in. Might want to factor in some new gaskets in that low budget.
Those are the little things about wrenching that seem to nickle and dime a person to no end...

I just like to help out when I can...
I need a wrenching buddy or something...my future son'inlaw seems too impatient to want to learn anything from me...

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I had the gaskets already,long story.
Your right about nickle and dime you to no end.

I like to get all the help I can.I wish one of guys lived close to me.It would be cool to have some to wrench with.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH

65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.