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Topic: Finally fired it up.
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 788
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-03-2003 10:49 PM
   
It's alive! 557 ci of BBF in my rear engine dragster. Went and bought 80 gallons of alky today. Was going to wait until next week, but a friend came over and reminded my that the temps will be going back down after the current warmup (68��today)So, we put the trans fluid and water in it and then 4 gallons of methanol. Fired up easy. Almost too easy for a mechanical injection system with no prime in it. Knock on wood. No water or oil leaks. slight leak on the trans pan, but that's already fixed. Only other glitch was I need to hook up the start retard. Timing is locked at 36�� so the starter was straining. Made it easier by spinning the starter over and then hit the ignition while it was spinning. Just need to tune on the toilet a little to get a cleaner idle. It was close out of the box, but still too rich. Lot's of alky fumes in the garage was no fun. It'll be a whole new learning curve on this injection setup. Can't wait to get it to the track. 1850 lbs with somewhere between 750 and 800 hp should get it done. Later,
David Cole
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5248
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-03-2003 10:58 PM
Good luck with the idle tune. I have yet to see any toilet equiped motors idle very clean (at least not as clean as my carb does). I think it's the nature of the beast, but I could be wrong.But anyways, very cool. 
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-04-2003 02:05 AM
David, I used to run a toliet on the 351c and one thing I had to keep reminding myself was that it didn't have to idle as sweet as a 750 Dp. It only has to stay running and not milk up the oil too bad. it'll be a WOT most of the time. I think you'll like the toliet once you get it tuned in. I know lot's of dead on cars that have zero probs with them. it's gonna fly ------------------
Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
"This is FORD Country! On a Quiet night you can hear a Chevy Rust"
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-04-2003 02:28 AM
David, where do you buy your methanol? reason I ask is me and two other racers go in and get it in bulk. It just so happens I have access to about 20 plastic 55 gallon drums from work. I sorta inherit them. All on the up & up of course. Anyway, it's alot cheaper if we buy alot at one time. it goes fast.  the fuel I mean, hopefully the car too  We have gotten it for as low as $40.00 bucks for a 55 gallon drum, but we bought 15 drums. Split it 3 ways. I can also get VP grade for about $50.00 a drum. Unless they have gone up
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Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
"This is FORD Country! On a Quiet night you can hear a Chevy Rust"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 14201
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-04-2003 02:43 AM
Dave that motor has got to sound great.
That car should fly what a different ride from the Mustang. ------------------
SCOOP
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 788
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-04-2003 07:09 AM
Thanks guys. I'm really looking forward to it. Nervous too.Jerry, I bought the methanol from a guy about 20 miles away near Talladega. He supplies all the local dirt round track racers. I've bought fuel from him for years. Race gas until now. I can get you his #, but if you can buy it as cheap as what you list I may need to buy my next batch near you. I paid $110 for a barrel (my own drum). Last year it was $100. I know where I can get it cheaper, but the cheap stuff is industrial grade. $65/barrel. The kind I bought is high quality. He also sells it to lots of go-kart racers and they have a fuel check. He guarantees it to pass. I bought a 55 gal and a 25 gal drum and two bottles of top lube yesterday. Later,
David Cole
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5248
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-04-2003 07:35 AM
What kind of top lube did you buy?
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-04-2003 09:16 AM
I'll check the VP price to see if it has changed. It was up there also unless you bought over 5 barrels. The other is industrial grade.
js
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FloJoe
Gearhead Posts: 557
From: Port Orange, FL, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 02-04-2003 11:17 AM
Lets see some pics!!!! ------------------
Joe Fields
68 Fastback 289ci bored .030 over
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-04-2003 01:00 PM
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RonnieT
Gearhead Posts: 733
From: Port Allen, La. 70767
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-04-2003 04:58 PM
Dave, A friend of mine has a rear engine dragster with about 750 hp BBC (No bodys perfect) that has a toliet on it and he runs 8.4'S at around 160, that got to be some ride. I know he spent a lot of time getting the tuneup on the toliet straight. Without the EGT sensor I don't think he would have ever got it right. When he got the car the oil would be milky after a few passes and after he got the tuneup right the oil stays clean. ------------------
Ronnie
69 mach1 351W-4V engineless at the time!
70 Torino GT 351C-4v with a "shaker"
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 788
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-04-2003 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by kid vishus:
What kind of top lube did you buy?
I obught two bottles of Power Plus. The guy I bought the alky from sells it. $10/bottle. Most of friends run it and report no problems. Is there anything better and why is it better? quote:
Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
I'll check the VP price to see if it has changed. It was up there also unless you bought over 5 barrels. The other is industrial grade.
js
Today at work I ran into another possible low $$ source. I work for a railroad and today I was delivering some cars to a chemical supply company in Birmingham. Big outfit. If it's deadly they have it. Was talking to one of the guys there and he said they sold lot's of methanol to racers. Said it was industrial, but it was "not" recycled like some industrial is. I will call thsi week for a price.
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Originally posted by FloJoe:
Lets see some pics!!!!
Pics to come soon. I have some of the engine now, but will have some soon of the whole deal. quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
That's Right! quote:
Originally posted by RonnieT:
Without the EGT sensor I don't think he would have ever got it right.
I have an EGT setup and it will be in place before the first pass. I also bought the system from a Ron's distributor that is supposed to be "the" guru on this stuff. Reports are that his is excellent at solving any problems. Later,
David Cole
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5248
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-04-2003 09:47 PM
I really like Klotz Uplon top lube. http://www.klotzlube.com/
It's a synthetic based lube and actually smells a little better when it burns than the Power Plus (if you dont run any scent in it). I have seen some guys have problems when it gets colder out (below 55*) and their injectors will gum up (and they run Power Plus). I haven't seen that problem with the guys that are running Klotz. But it might just be a coincidence and not related to the top lube at all.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7226
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 02-04-2003 10:41 PM
Cogratulations Dave!Very cool, enjoy your new "baby" SteveW
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cracing
Gearhead Posts: 159
From: Saltillo Miss. USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-05-2003 04:37 PM
Jerry,Dave & others, here is the number of Reeder Ind. they supposedly sell the top lube at about $5.00 a bottle if you buy by the case.817-429-5957. I got it off another site, but cant remember which one. Jerry I used the 4.86 gears at Fulton Sunday for the first time. It slowed the 60' from 1.28 to 1.32-33 & the ET from 5.98 to 6.01-05. Results were as follows 60' first then ET, beginning with 1st Elim round,1.329-6.023,1.325-6.004,1.330-6.019,1.333-6.016,1.328-6.014,1.336-6.016,1.330-601.9, lost in final rnd due to his .503 to my .517. So I think the 4.86s are there to stay. Results are on Bracketnews.com. ------------------
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-06-2003 01:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cracing:
Jerry,Dave & others, here is the number of Reeder Ind. they supposedly sell the top lube at about $5.00 a bottle if you buy by the case.817-429-5957. I got it off another site, but cant remember which one. Jerry I used the 4.86 gears at Fulton Sunday for the first time. It slowed the 60' from 1.28 to 1.32-33 & the ET from 5.98 to 6.01-05. Results were as follows 60' first then ET, beginning with 1st Elim round,1.329-6.023,1.325-6.004,1.330-6.019,1.333-6.016,1.328-6.014,1.336-6.016,1.330-601.9, lost in final rnd due to his .503 to my .517. So I think the 4.86s are there to stay. Results are on Bracketnews.com.
Bob, I thought they were 5.14's? Looks like you went some rounds eh? I should have went, but my Dad was in town. So your gonna leave those gears in there? Are those the ones you got from me? Jeff is waiting for a strut front end kit before he can race the cougar. I need to talk to Mike Franks, supposedly he has some aluminum tread plate. I am going to make a cover for my generator out of it. E-mail me if you decide to race this weekend, I may slide over that way.
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Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
"This is FORD Country! On a Quiet night you can hear a Chevy Rust"
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-06-2003 01:48 AM
Bob, I heard Leon Mulligan got run over?  Was he hurt? I heard it was a pit accident, any details?
JS
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cracing
Gearhead Posts: 159
From: Saltillo Miss. USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-06-2003 07:12 PM
I put the 5.14s in & found the 4.86 the very next morning, so I took it back out & the guy I got the 4.86s from wanted 5.14s. I most likely wont go Sun. bc its gonna be a little too cool for me,40s. Leon was running Randle Wilmons Nova Sun. & Randle had his S10 parked behind the Nova, Leon was removing cables at rear of Nova, Randle started the truck & it went wot in gear pinning Leon between them,it remained wo with the rear end spinning around to the right taking down another guy & over him all while pushing the Nova into another car. I was about 50 ft from them. Tracy Church is an EMT & she was right there over Leon before I got there. He was looking around & talking So I got out of the way. Ambulance took him to Tupelo for check up, originally thought he had some broken ribs, but both he & Randle's other driver (the one under the truck)only had some bad bruises & asphault rash. Very Lucky! Strangly enough this has happened to Randle before, but this is first time any one was injured. Mike did have some diamond plate polished alum. at the store, he also has a consignment shop there now too, give him a call. BC
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-06-2003 07:22 PM
Randle should not be allowed to race without a Neutral safety switch on his shifter. Maybe he has one and it failed or maybe it was something else, but if it has happened b4, then I think I'd check his stuff out b4 I let him run anymore. I told Mike last time I talked to him if he wanted to go over my car completely b4 I ran it again he was more than welcome to. Since I took out a chunk of his guard rail. I know MY neutral safety switch works! Remind me to park a good ways away from Randle.
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Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
"This is FORD Country! On a Quiet night you can hear a Chevy Rust"
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