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Fastymz
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posted 01-09-2003 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I'm about to give up and get a one wire alt.
Which ones have you guys used.
And what do i do with the wiring and voltage reg.Do I have to run jumpers ect?
It sure make hooking up the cut off switch more easy.And then I dont have to worry about finding a good voltage reg anymore.

SteveW I know once you said you found one that did not cost alot.

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posted 01-09-2003 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On my 69 I used a 1 wire conversion. I used a regular Ford style alt with this small external regulator:

Uou can get it from:
http://www.falconparts.com/search_result.asp?PRODUCT_ID=F7078
for $30. I bought mine (exact same one) locally. It worked great. I removed the regulator and the mass of 30+ yr old wiring. Just disconnected /cut the wiring harness it where it entered the main harness and taped it off.

This one wire setup is very simply to install and you only have 1 wire coming off the alt. (two wires if you have a warning light and want it to work) The single wire can attach to the battery side of your fender solenoid or all the way back the battery side of a rear master cutoff.

Well worth the $30!

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-09-2003 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SOunds like it's worth $30 all right.

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posted 01-09-2003 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
SOunds like it's worth $30 all right.


Well speak up,tell us what you think about it.

I have read(I know thats what gets me into trouble)
that you can use a stock chevy alt models s10 or something like that.
But I dont know for sure which one,and how to wire it or mount it.

Thanks for hanging in there with me.

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steve'66
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posted 01-09-2003 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep,

The alternator from any late 70's chebbie product will do. Doesn't have to be a single wire alternator either. The large bolt hole needs to be drilled out to 7/16" (chebbie only used a 3/8" dia bolt). Other than that you'll need a slightly different spacer (shorter I think), then bolt it on.

As far as wiring hook one 8 ga to the output terminal of the alternator. Then run an exciter wire from the solenoid to the spade terminal on the Delco alternator. That's all there is too it.

Get one for $20 at the junk yard.

SteveW

p.s. This is the last time I'm gonna tell you about this, unless you actually do it and need a picture or something.

[This message has been edited by steve'66 (edited 01-09-2003).]

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posted 01-09-2003 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine was going on 4 years old and I never had a minutes problem with it. The first alt was one of those cheapo $19.95 Auto Zone specials. It lasted 2 years, replaced it with a high quality rebuild from an alt shop. Swapped the mini-regulator over to it and it was still working fine when I sold the car. With this type regulator you have to rev the car slightly when you first start it to "excite" it. In my case it would take ~1250-1300 rpm, then it would show 12.5V output @ 900 rpm and be at full charge of 14.7V by 1600 rpm. I could race a two day race without charging the single battery. I would charge it a little if it was a three day race and I was using the fan/water pump alot in 90?F + heat.

I ran it with a 6" crank pulley and a 4" alt pulley. So the rpms were not too bad on it. Buddy of mine has one that's about 5 years old. His is on a C302B headed 383. Shifts it at 8500+. Only has a 4" crank and stock 2" alt pulley, so the alt is really spinning fast. He has burned up an alt or two with the rpm, but the regulator works fine. The last time he got a good rebuilt alt like I did. No problems since.

Later,
David Cole

BTW, I would use one of these on my dragster if I could find a crank pulley that would work with my damper, a crank trigger, and a belt drive fuel pump mandrel.

Tried many companies. No luck. Even tried Shogun. The Shogun tech laughed at me when I said it was for a Ford. I wouldn't buy from them now if they were the last performance company out there. Hope they go bankrupt. They prob will eventually. Their reputation is quickly sinking to the level of GER converters.

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posted 01-09-2003 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But Scoop,

Since you already have a new Ford alternator, I would use Dave's mini regulator!

SteveW

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posted 01-09-2003 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:

SteveW

p.s. This is the last time I'm gonna tell you about this, unless you actually do it and need a picture or something.

[This message has been edited by steve'66 (edited 01-09-2003).]


Ok I wont ask you agian,then you should just go ahead and delete the 20 emails I sent you about it too.

I'll look into the little conversion kit that Dave is talking about.That way I could just run the one 8 gauge wire to the switch and this will all be over.

Three more questions,

1.When you disconect the old voltage reg,then you just cap off those wires?

2. What dose the one wire set up ground to.

3.I have some kind of condesor on the back of the alt to I think it's for the Radio r something,can I just remove it too?

Thanks for the help,I hate to keep asking all these questions.

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posted 01-09-2003 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you bolt chebby parts to your Ford, it'll get cooties!

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posted 01-09-2003 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave I ordered the mini regulator.So now I'll start emailing you for more info. J/K
Thats why Steve said to get it,so I'd leave him alone.

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posted 01-09-2003 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Three more questions,

1.When you disconect the old voltage reg,then you just cap off those wires?
{Yes}

2. What dose the one wire set up ground to.
{The chassis of your car through the alternator's case and the engine}
3.I have some kind of condesor on the back of the alt to I think it's for the Radio r something,can I just remove it too?
{Leave it there}
Thanks for the help,I hate to keep asking all these questions.
{Check out Dave's link to the regulator it has instalation instructions too}


It's cool,

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posted 01-09-2003 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekbeanctr   Click Here to Email ekbeanctr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
If you bolt chebby parts to your Ford, it'll get cooties!


AND then before long the motor will start rattling and making funny noises (like my 2002 S10 ZR2 ) and the Chebby dealer will tell you it's normal. It's for sale now. Bought a Navigator instead

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posted 01-09-2003 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ekbeanctr:
AND then before long the motor will start rattling and making funny noises (like my 2002 S10 ZR2 ) and the Chebby dealer will tell you it's normal. It's for sale now. Bought a Navigator instead


YEP! GM JUNK!!!

But, the delco alternators are good, plentifull, dime a dozen, you can rebuild them, hot rod them and they fit on sbf's real easy.

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posted 01-10-2003 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave_C:

Tried many companies. No luck. Even tried Shogun. The Shogun tech laughed at me when I said it was for a Ford. I wouldn't buy from them now if they were the last performance company out there. Hope they go bankrupt. They prob will eventually. Their reputation is quickly sinking to the level of GER converters.

I think I'm going to call them up tommorow from work and ask them how the H**% they think they can sell junk like they do? Example, the pan evac system they sell for an exhorbant $100.00 is already falling apart on my buddy's dragster. The remore water pump they sell is junk too, the seals last 50 passes then leak.
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posted 01-10-2003 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
YEP! GM JUNK!!!

But, the delco alternators are good, plentifull, dime a dozen, you can rebuild them, hot rod them and they fit on sbf's real easy.

SteveW


Still... cooties...

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posted 01-10-2003 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Still... cooties...


YOU'RE FUNNY!!

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posted 01-10-2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First it's just an alternator, then you're dropping a ZZ4 in your Mustang, the next thing you know you're dating a guy named Mario!

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quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
First it's just an alternator, then you're dropping a ZZ4 in your Mustang, the next thing you know you're dating a guy named Mario!


My brother the 55 chevy guy wanted to drop a 350 chevy in my mustang.
He had a free good running 350 motor and trans all ready for it.I told him theres no way I'd ever do that.It bad enough I helped them put it in my pops inlaw 55 ford pu.

I got the mini voltage reg today that was real fast.That thing is really small,I sure it works like Dave C said it does.

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posted 01-10-2003 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
My brother the 55 chevy guy wanted to drop a 350 chevy in my mustang.


I worked with a kid who was building an '83 vert racecar, chebbie powered
He had some real nice work done to it; full roll cage, subframe connectors, motor plates (sbc ), crossmember for a 'glide, killer 8.8" rear. Moved back east, abandoned the car


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posted 01-10-2003 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read about a kid that killed himself by drilling 69 holes in his head with a power drill.

Sort of like the same thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I read about a kid that killed himself by drilling 69 holes in his head with a power drill.

Sort of like the same thing.


Another reason my 65 is better.

No chevy powered Fords for.I say have one or the other,but dont mix them up.
I have an older HotRod mag that has a 68 all race mustang with a 350 chevy in it.

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quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
I worked with a kid who was building an '83 vert racecar, chebbie powered
He had some real nice work done to it; full roll cage, subframe connectors, motor plates (sbc ), crossmember for a 'glide, killer 8.8" rear. Moved back east, abandoned the car


And you didn't save it????

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I am particularly fond of my little "gook" alternators. These tiny Nippondenso things come on wee riceburners, in particular the Isuzu types. Mounts simply, uses three wires,one can be jumped to the "bat" terminal with a loop right at the alternator another is the main power lead and a third wire that needs resistance to "excite" the thing... Playboy doesn't do anything for it ... so i ran the wire to my gauge lights, gauges are lit anytime its charging.
I have one on my Fairlane and another on my Ranger, keeps it fully charged on cold rainy nights with headlights, wipers,heater and CD player all going.

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