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Fastymz
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posted 01-06-2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a few question,
1. What gauge hot wire should I use. And dose any one know about how long of a wire for a 65 mustang.
2.What gauge alt wire do I need to use,to run back to the kill switch?
3.Did you guys leave the starter solenoid on the front fender or w moved it to the trunk too?
4.My battery says it has 1000 cold cranking amps.
So dose that affect the amount of amp rating the kill switch needs to be?
5.Did any of you use a battery tray under the battery or did you just put the battery on the truck floor?

Ok thats enough for now,Thanks for the help.

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posted 01-06-2003 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I have a few question,
1. What gauge hot wire should I use. And dose any one know about how long of a wire for a 65 mustang.
{0 gauge welding wire, about 20feet}
2.What gauge alt wire do I need to use,to run back to the kill switch?
{8 gauge thhn or better}
3.Did you guys leave the starter solenoid on the front fender or w moved it to the trunk too?
{Left it up front}
4.My battery says it has 1000 cold cranking amps.
So dose that affect the amount of amp rating the kill switch needs to be?
{Just use Summit's switch}
5.Did any of you use a battery tray under the battery or did you just put the battery on the truck floor?
{Yes a battery tray helps, but don't forget your two or three 3/8" all thread to jold the battery in}
{The optima batteries are the best, because they won't get acid in your trunk}

Ok thats enough for now,Thanks for the help.
{anytime}


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Fastymz
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posted 01-06-2003 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only have a few more questions.
I know 'Ron' always has more questions.

1.What is "thhn or better"I have never seen the term 'THHN'.
And as for the alt you just ran the "battery wire"on the back of the alt, to the kill switch right?
2.Where do you get 0 gauge welding wire,and dose it come with a a cover or housing over it?
I asked one shop for it,they just looked at me said they had no idea what I was talking about.

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posted 01-06-2003 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

THHN is the type of wire. THHN is rated for 90* C and is stranded copper wire. You can get it at any electrical supply house. It's what I used because I had some, but any oil/gas/heat resistant 8 gauge stranded wire will work.

Welding cable is the wire that arc welders use. It's very finely stranded and tough stuff. You can get it at any welding supply house. You can also get the end terminals from the welding shop and solder them on with a propane torch.

As far as which wire to run from your alternator, if you swaped to a Delco single wire alternator I could tell you.

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posted 01-06-2003 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I've called 4 shops one said they sale the '0 gauge wire' but it's not shielded,and they wouldn't use it for a battery.
The other 3 told me prices from $55-$14 for a 15-20foot piece.
Steve sorry to question you,but do you really need 20feet.
An Auto Electrical shop in wants $75 for 15 feet of 2/0 wire with the ends on.That seem like a good deal?
I hate it when I dont what I'm talking about and the people on the other,dont want to help.

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posted 01-06-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok one more thing,the last guy I just talked to.Told me that my alternator will not be able to charge my battery with that long of a wire.
Do any of you have charging problems becasue the battery is in the trunk.

I'm so ****ing pissed right now,god dam ****ing people that work at these shops treat you like a ****ing moron.


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Moneymaker
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posted 01-06-2003 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just buy a relocation kit Ron.
Yes, the battery will charge fine.

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posted 01-06-2003 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey SCOOP, try this taylor box. it has everything you need, except the cutoff switch for a little over $100. they are really nice, i got one myself.

http://store.summitracing.com/default. asp?target=search.asp%3FType%3Dbykeyword%26Part%3Dbattery%20box%26Search.x%3D1%26SearchType%3DBoth

go to the taylor 48101 on page 2.
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posted 01-06-2003 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

Yes, buy the kit.
You don't have to do it the "hard way" like I did. Just don't buy the cheap kit with the plastic battery box and j-hooks 'cause it won't pass tech.

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posted 01-06-2003 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
...'cause it won't pass tech.

Lol, assuming they ever pop your hood .

My bro got a really good deal on 0 guage welding wire (running dual 0's to the rear for his stereo system [dual batteries]) but I can right now remember where he ordered it from but can find out.

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posted 01-06-2003 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I'm so ****ing pissed right now,god dam ****ing people that work at these shops treat you like a ****ing moron.


I never tell them what I'm doing.
Anyway the key to running current across longer distances is to use bigger, lower resistance wire. If you ran the original small wire from the alternator all the way to the trunk you could have a problem. But with the larger 8 gauge wire the current will never know the distance.
The extra wire would have been used to make grounding straps between your engine and the frame, and from your battery to the frame in the trunk.
If you're not going to seal the passenger compartment from the trunk with sheetmetal you'll need a sealed & vented box like the taylor box anyway.

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posted 01-06-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the help,I found a friend of a friend that hooked me up with 20feet of 0 gauge wire.One end has the lug put on for the starter solenoid.And a battery post connector all for $30.
I think I'll get the taylor alum box without the cables for $81.That and a switch I'll be all set.

Tim nice to see you around,hope all going well for you.
Last time I went to fallon they really checked my car out.They even had me open the trunk.Luckly I wasn't smugling anything in.

Mike,Steve,and Alex thanks again.I know I would be able to tackle some of these projects without this website.
You sure as **** cant get any ****ing help from those pricks at the parts stores or Eletrical shops.

Alex thanks for taking to time to write to me.
Your ok no matter what people say about you.

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posted 01-06-2003 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

Sounds like you've got it under control

The 0 gauge welding cable is much better than the 1 or 2 gauge wire in the kit.

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posted 01-06-2003 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Ron,

Sounds like you've got it under control

The 0 gauge welding cable is much better than the 1 or 2 gauge wire in the kit.

SteveW


'Under control' now thats funny Steve.
Never under control, just a comstent state of confession.
What do you think of the Moroso box over the taylor alum box.
Steve I put in a small fire wall behind the rear seat.The 1st year I got the car.But it dose not cover the package tray,and there is a small area on either side of the seat thats not covered either.So a battery box seems like the easy way out.

Thanks again,I'm sure I'll have more questions.
And I may need bail money if I ever see in person,this one guy I talked to today.

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posted 01-06-2003 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

Yes the box is the easy way to do it. Either brand looks ok to me, but if you wanted you could replace the package tray with a sheet of .040" thick aluminun. It wouldn't be a bad idea anyway since your gas tank is the floor of your trunk.

You can cut the aluminum sheet with a circular wood saw. And it'll cost you maybe 20 bucks.

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posted 01-06-2003 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve that sound like a good idea to do.

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posted 01-06-2003 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what I did to both the cars. Seal the aluminum with silicone and sheetmetal screws and you're all set. Then you don't need a sealed battery box, just bolt it down good with 3/8" bolts or all thread through the floor and you're set.

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posted 01-06-2003 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Alex thanks for taking to time to write to me.
Your ok no matter what people say about you.


Alex, Scoops right! You are "ok", thanks for being here for us!

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posted 01-06-2003 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

48101 Taylor kit with aluminum box $114 froom MMR.

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posted 01-07-2003 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
That's what I did to both the cars. Seal the aluminum with silicone and sheetmetal screws and you're all set. Then you don't need a sealed battery box, just bolt it down good with 3/8" bolts or all thread through the floor and you're set.

SteveW


Steve I think I'll do both.Something about having the battery and the gas tank so close to each other.That just make me uneasy.

Alex thanks for all the help,this time I'm going to Summit racing and getting either the taylor alum box,or moroso plastic sealed box.The plastic one seems better only because if the battery should move around or get hit at least it wont ground out on the alum box?
I'll order more parts from you as I can the year is young yet.

I really cant thank you enough.It's so cool that some one as busy as you are,would take the time to help us.

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posted 01-07-2003 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I got most of the parts together.It only toll my 4 hours and I had to go to 6 stores.I still need end conectors for the 8gauge wire.I'm sure some one most make them.I got the moroso box it's not worth the money,and the taylor box is not much better.In my opinion that is,no offensive to Mike or Alex.

Still need some help,
I got the summit switch but I'm still unsure about which wire from the alt to hook up to it.I think it's the battery one on the back of alt.
And do I leave the stock wire there to,or reomve all together?

Found some rust under were my tire hooked to the trunk floor.A nice 3" hole.I cleaned it back as far as I could I made a cover out of sheet metal.I bolted and JB welded the cover down.Some time I'll pull the gas tank and weld the panel in place.

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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs

2.26 60'S
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posted 01-07-2003 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, were the boxes you looked at and bought the metal ones?
Or were they the cheap, chinsy, garbage, crap, lousey, mickey mouse, plastic ones?


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quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I'm still unsure about which wire from the alt to hook up to it.I think it's the battery one on the back of alt.
And do I leave the stock wire there to,or reomve all together?


Ron,

By the time I did the battery relocation I had a alternator with a built in regulator installed. Your's runs the charging current thru the regulator and thru the ampmeter in the dash and who knows where else before it get back to charge the battery. Try disconnecting the charging wire that attaches to the batt. solenoid terminal and see if the engine dies while the battery is disconnected. If it does then that's the wire you want to run in 8 gauge to the trunk.


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The taylor was the metal kind but was real weak.And the Moroso is there plastic one,much stronger then your dine store plastic.But I still dont think either battery box was worth the money.I went for the plastic one just because if by chance the battery got hit into the side of the box it would not short out.

Alex do you know how to wire the on off switch with the org system.I hate the thought of buying another alt I just got a new 61amp autolite this sunner.

Steve there are two wires together at the solenoid from the alt.This projest sounds so dam easy.
I got the box mounted in the trunk now I'm just waiting to see if any one knows what wire for the alt.Some one at there most have the org system and a cut off switch.

If not how much would an alt like your set me back.And can I install it? and is there alot of rewiring to do for it?

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posted 07-26-2002 07:03 AM
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Just the battery wire from the alternator attached to the battery side of the switch.
This is not the best diagram to use, but, the big yellow-black is the 65-up diagram comes from the alternator to charge the battery. This is the wire you want to extend and attach to the batter side of the switch. The other wires in the photo have to do with regulating and 'exciting' the diodes to start the operation of the alternator.

http://www.mustangsteve.com/GENtoALT.html

Dose this sound right to you guys,because it makes sense to me.

So just make sure I'm reading it right I discounect the yellow black wire fron the back of the alt,run anew wire to the battery side of the cut off switch,and I should be home free,I hope.Tell what you guy think.

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65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede.

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