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capri man
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From: doerun, ga.
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posted 12-30-2002 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i installed my new msd pro billet dist today. of course it did not drop down in the hole untill i bumped the starter a little. then it still needed about 1/4 in to bottom out. i took a piece of wood and tapped it on down. thought it was just tight. it turned freely. started the engine, NO OIL PRESSURE. i had already checked it against the duraspark that i took out and they were identical. i can see the oil pump drive shaft in the hole. it is about 3/4 of an inch down in the hole in the block. what have i done?? any ideas.

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Fastymz
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posted 12-30-2002 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike is the part that fits the oil pump drive shaft the same as the duraspark you.How about the legth of the two is that the same too.
I'm not I know what I'm talking about Mike just trying to help.

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Buster
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From: Orlando
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posted 12-30-2002 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes, hate to guess here. But it kinda soulds like the oil pump or the shaft might be cracked.

I would try a 1/4" X 1/4" deep socket on a long extension. See if the pump will make any pressure that way.

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steve'66
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posted 12-30-2002 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike,

Did you change the filter while you were at it? It might not be related, but try driving the pump with a socket like Buster sugessted. Be sur to tape the socket to the extension.

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jsracingbbf
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From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
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posted 12-30-2002 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you have to set the dril to reverse, if I remember correctly.
Try it and see.

Jerry

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-30-2002 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, you must spin it counter clockwise.
My guess is you may have rounded off the oil pump shaft.

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capri man
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posted 12-31-2002 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yoo hoo, i got it. when i pulled the old dist out, the pump rod came up enough to come out of the hole in the pump and was resting on the case of the pump. i got my telescoping magnet and finally got it back in the right hole. thanks for all the input guys.

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Hans olsson
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posted 12-31-2002 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did the same thing once,only diff was that my shaft dropped down in the pan.
This can never happen with the larger dia after market shafts.
Happy New Year to all of you

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Ken
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posted 12-31-2002 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
finally got it back in the right hole.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 12-31-2002 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pulled my distributor last spring and all I heard was a clank. You guessed it! The next thing I did was pull the pan to get the pump shaft back.

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Dad Vishus
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From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
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posted 12-31-2002 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some oil pump shafts I've seen have a spring clip on one end that will prevent the shaft from pulling out of the pump. It does go in only one way to work like that. The clip is closer to one end than the other.

The clip is close to the hole in the block casting that the shaft passes through. It will not move far enough to allow the shaft to pull out of the pump.

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itlbrnmoff
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posted 01-02-2003 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for itlbrnmoff   Click Here to Email itlbrnmoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the subject of oil pump shafts...anyone racing here should already have one of the stronger shafts installed...I've seen pictures of stock puny pump shafts twisted up like pretzels.The stronger chrome moly shafts cost less than $30.00 from FMS,ARP,Milodon,etc...And you especially need one running a HV pump...In my haste as a first-time backyard engine assembler,I didn't use the good shaft...
My engine hasn't flown the coop yet, but the way I abuse it sometimes, it's a time bomb.
I guess the reason I'm writing this is because I'm itching to tear my engine apart and do it right this time...
Even though it runs fine,I dread the day that I rev it to the moon and it explodes!!
But...the factory T-5 or that weak 7.5" rearend might go first...who knows, it could all blow at the same time...then I could start the whole thing over!!
One thing's for sure though, I will definitely have a $25.00 quality oil pump shaft in it...

PS, I built this engine in 1996, and it still has less than 10,000 miles on it...I guess that's why it's still hangin' tough...And I'm 7 years smarter now, that's why I don't drive it much...

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kid vishus
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posted 01-02-2003 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But those big heavy duty shafts are only as strong as their weakest point, and that's usually right where they neck down to fit in the pump or the dizzy. I know from experiance, I sheared one of them once right where it got skinny. Granted mine had sucked a piece of junk into the oil pump and locked it up, but the shaft still broke. Even the fat heavy duty shafts arent "bullet proof".

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-02-2003 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fat shaft help keep you from having the problem that Mike did.
All HV SBF oil pumps come with a retaining ring on the new shaft. It must be positioned to keep the shaft from moving to far at the time of oil pump installation.
I can't tell you all how many engines I have taken apart that were built by others where the ring was either pushed up in the worng spot or discarded all together.

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BlueMule
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posted 01-02-2003 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when I pulled the distributor from the 302 in the Ranchero, the shaft was RTVd to the end of the distributor. no kiddin'! When I put the distributor back in, lemme tell ya, it was still glued on there.

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