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streetstang67
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posted 12-05-2002 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
I'm wanting to get rid of my points ignition. I'm not very familar with different types of ignition, but I want to have electronic ignition and have a rev limiter. Do I need to install the Pertronix Ignitor and then also install the MSD 6AL box, or is the MSD 6AL box just a bigger, better version of the Pertronix Ignitor with a rev limiter. By the way, right now all of my ignition parts (coil, distributor, wires...) are stock.

BlueMule
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posted 12-05-2002 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule        Reply w/Quote
I'm sure you'll get as many opinions as you will get answers. Let me add, most if not all are valid. That's what's nice about this place.

The pertonix fits inside the stock distributor. No external boxes as such. If you're doin' serious racing or part time and are not worried abot originality, go for the other after market stuff. '67 right?

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streetstang67
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posted 12-05-2002 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
yea, its a '67 with a 289. I mainly want to know if the msd box replaces the points and condenser...because I know that the Pertonix Ignitor does. I don't really care about the big box, because I will probably hide it in the glove box.

steve'66
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posted 12-05-2002 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66        Reply w/Quote
No the MSD does not replace the points/condenser.

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streetstang67
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posted 12-05-2002 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
Will the MSD box work with the pertronix ignitor? Or is it really that neccessary to get rid of the points and condenser? I want to stop that stuttering and hard starting when its cold.

steve'66
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posted 12-05-2002 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66        Reply w/Quote
Yes,

you can use the petronics to trigger the MSD box. But it's better to use a Ford DuraSpark distributor to trigger the MSD in my opinion. A rebuilt DuraSpark distributor is about $50 (used in late 70's 302ci Fords)

Also look at the Crane HI-6 ignition with a built in adjustable rev limiter, it's cheaper and works very well.

Fastymz
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posted 12-05-2002 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Yes,

you can use the petronics to trigger the MSD box. But it's better to use a Ford DuraSpark distributor to trigger the MSD in my opinion. A rebuilt DuraSpark distributor is about $50 (used in late 70's 302ci Fords)

Also look at the Crane HI-6 ignition with a built in adjustable rev limiter, it's cheaper and works very well.


I'd go the Duraspark way the 1st time.Next time my pertronix gose out AGAIN I'm doing the duraspark too.

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streetstang67
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posted 12-05-2002 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
Instead of buying the duraspark and the ignition box, is there a setup that I can get that does everything...replaces points, and has a rev limiter?

steve'66
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posted 12-05-2002 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66        Reply w/Quote
None that I know of.

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steve'66
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posted 12-05-2002 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66        Reply w/Quote
Did you know that you can use the stock points to trigger a Crane box? There is very little current so the points will last a long time. Just a thought,

SteveW

GT350Clone
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posted 12-06-2002 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GT350Clone        Reply w/Quote
CRANE has a new setup coming out in the next month that replaces the points AND has a built-in rev limiter.....

Don't know too much about it, but I heard January 03, and a price under $100. Might check Jegs or Summit for more details. Looks pretty good at first glance....

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rockafellz
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posted 12-06-2002 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz        Reply w/Quote
I second SteveW's suggestion as I have the duraspark distributor and it's well worth it over a Petronix IMO. It's also running off the MSD 6AL with NO problems whatsoever. I believe they're less than $75.00 at Autozone + the core charge. If you decide to go that route, just return your points distributor for your core $$$ back.

I could also help you with wiring procedures for a Duraspark/6AL combo.

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streetstang67
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posted 12-06-2002 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
That "Crane XR-i" points to electronic conversion with rev limiter looks like exactly what I need. And its only $70. Has anybody heard anymore about it?

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=112615&prmenbr=361

Hemikiller
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posted 12-07-2002 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller        Reply w/Quote
Here are my thoughts....

Get the MSD if $ permits, you will reap many benefits in driveability and performance. You can use your existing points distributor to trigger it.

When $ permits, you can get a Duraspark distributor or the Crane XR-I upgrade and get rid of the points.

As far as I'm convcerned, the Pertronix is NOT any sort of performance upgrade, and the reliability seems a bit suspect as well......

The electronic XR-I will not improve performance, etc like an MSD, as it is not a capacitive discharge multi-spark ignition, just an electronic version of your points (magnetic breaker)

I do recommend that you upgrade to a performance wire set when you install an MSD, as the current to the plug is increased substantially..........

streetstang67
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posted 12-08-2002 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67        Reply w/Quote
Even though the crane XR-i isn't goin to be good for extra performance, will it at least solve the problem of the engine stuttering and hard starting in the cold weather since it replaces the points?

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