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Moneymaker
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posted 11-26-2002 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried 'em!

IN the hey days of muscle cars when bigger was always better, everyone had to have a cam with at least .500 lift and 300 degrees of duration on the street.
Also the more carburation you could fit under the hood the better! That's what the hot rodders of the late 60's and 70's used to believe.
Now many of these hot rodders could not drive manual transmissions very well or where three pedal challenged.

Consequentially they purchased muscle cars with automatics. Stall speed converters were not very wide spread use yet and considered a "black art".
What you had then amounted to a hot sounding car that would launch with the 60 foot efforts of a fully loaded school bus.


Get the picture so far?

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posted 11-26-2002 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thus the advent of the driveshaft loop

Please go on, Jedi master

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-27-2002 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neutral droping is an aquired art form and should only be done by trained proffesionals.

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posted 11-27-2002 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Alex you cant Neutral drop my car.


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posted 11-27-2002 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dark7068   Click Here to Email dark7068     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neutral drops are a good way to find out if your tranny is up to snuff (mine wasnt )

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posted 11-27-2002 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wicked-Toy   Click Here to Email Wicked-Toy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ripped the motor mounts out of my father's 64 Galaxy doing a neutral drop. He wasnt very happy about it. Told him I didnt know what happened, they just broke. I know he believed me.

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posted 11-27-2002 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MOst FoMoCo auto transmisions (C-4's and C-6's) had over rev governers which prevented you from neutral dropping them.

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posted 11-27-2002 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
please excuse my ignorance but...

Is this the same as what we used to call a 'bonzai' hole shot? If so, the three tracks I used to frequent would toss you from the competition for doing it.

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posted 11-27-2002 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's about it Paul.
Rev it up in neutral to your "happy" spot and jam it into low as you are planting your right foot to the floor.

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posted 11-27-2002 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
That's about it Paul.
Rev it up in neutral to your "happy" spot and jam it into low as you are planting your right foot to the floor.


I'll be dipped. That sorta tells ya how long it's been for me...

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posted 11-27-2002 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best neutral dropping trans was always a GM TH-400.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 11-27-2002 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I turned 16 back in the early 70`s, our family car was a 66 Chev. Biscayne, complete with 230 cubes of wimpering 6 cyl, coupled to a 2 speed Powerslide. This poor car endured dozens of neutral drops, & each time, it must have got AT LEAST 1/2" of rubber!! :

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posted 11-27-2002 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was young and dumb and full of some I used to do that alot to my Sprint. I can't believe I still have that same FMX!

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posted 11-27-2002 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember racing an old Buick Wildcat with my '67. We ran best out of three, him neutral dropping every pass! Man that was brutal!
(I still beat him )

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posted 11-27-2002 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was with a buddy one time who decided to nuetral drop his 4x4 blazer. It had the requisite over sized swampers and lift kit. He reved it up, pulled it into low and ... KERPOW,BLANGEDY BLAM! Out comes the driveshaft. I laughed my a$$ off! Good thing we were in town and we didnt have to walk too far to find someone to tow us back to his house.

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posted 11-27-2002 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
64 Malibu SS convert. 283 220 HP power pack, 2 inch dumps and a powerslide with 3.73 posi.
16.00 ET's brake torquing and 15.40's neutral dropping it at 5000 RPM!
About 60 neutral drops is all that it took before it lost second gear.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Best neutral dropping trans was always a GM TH-400.


I broke a couple of drive shafts in my Olds doing the neutral drop. The 400 never broke, but you still have to rebuild them every 60k like all other GM trannies.

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Alex, As i recall, if you reved it too high it would not go into gear but there was a spot where it would catch. You had to sort of time the catch with mashing the gas to the floor. Did many peg leg burnouts with Dad's Galazy that way, that is until the motor mount incident.

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posted 11-27-2002 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got it Scott.
You had to find the "sweet spot" then snatch it real quick as you let off the gas momentarily and then mash the pedal again.

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posted 11-27-2002 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If only i was old enough to have done any of this "interesting" stuff

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posted 11-27-2002 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, you Canadians do lead a boring a$$ life.

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plus i never saw any light till the 80s so i kinda missed the "take dads old muscle out and have some fun" times.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
MOst FoMoCo auto transmisions (C-4's and C-6's) had over rev governers which prevented you from neutral dropping them.


Well, my Dad's 79 lincoln with the 460 sure didn't have a governor. Left several black marks about 30 yards long on the road to our house. Too bad we were the only one who lived on that road. Busted!

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posted 11-27-2002 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pthornton   Click Here to Email pthornton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would put it in reverse, get a running start, then throw in in drive. Left black marks in both directions.

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posted 11-28-2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh, the infamous reverse drops.
That was usually reserved for absolute sleds.

Six cylinders, two speed powerslide chebbies, and other assorted dogs.

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We called those 'J-strips' after the skids marks that looked like the letter J.

I used to do those all the time with my Sprint, but I broke the tailshaft off the first time out doing it with a '68 Chrysler and it's 'indestructable' Torqueflight tranny.

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I always liked the reverse drops that made marks in a loop!
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posted 11-28-2002 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing quite like neutral dropping a big block mid size car with 4.56 pr 4.88 gears and slicks at about 5-6 grand.

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Some of my old ghetto friends had a 68 SS-396 Chevelle with the 350 HP engine and a TH-400. The went to the speed shop and bough the biggest Crower solid cam and kit that would clear, a dual quad intake and two 500 CFM Jimmy Carters, headers and a 4.88 gear. They did most of the installation work themselves except for the gear and valve springs. They had that done by a shop. The car is now slower than it was when stock, but sounds and looks really mean.
They bring it over to me at work (GSD) for a dyno tune as by then I had somewhat of a reputation. I did the normal stuff, set the lash loose, quicken the distributor curve, jet and adjust the carbs, reset the throttle linkage for a max delayed opening, power tip plugs, good wires, and a hot coil.
I got it about 100% better but it still left like a bus. A stock 13 inch converter was killing it.
Later that week on a Friday night I went cruising the local street race haunts and came upon a big crowd talking up a race with a "boo" and a Road Runner. Low and behold, it was my boys with the Chevelle. They had just set up a $200 pot with the RR gang and asked my oppinion. The RR was a 383 4 speed with a bunch of typical mods and I had tuned it a few weeks ago. I told the boys that they had more power but the RR was quicker as I had driven them both. It was to late to back out and they did not know what to do. They asked if I would drive and do whatever I could to win. Both cars had slicks and the headers were open.
We both pulled up to the marked starting line and pulled burnouts. Several short dry hops. We staged and I had the "boo" in neutral at idle. Nobody had any idea as to what I was about to do. The flag man pointed to the RR then to me. I floored the Chevelle and jerked the horseshoe shifter into low.
The Chevelle jumped up about a six inches in the air (that was a bunch in 1973)and I was off. Well the Chevelle would run it's a$$ off when it got going so it was no contest. I whipped the RR by over 5 car lengths.
The following SUnday we were at US 30 Dragstrip and the boys were racing the "boo".
The best they could muster was a 13.59 leaving off the foot brake. They talked me into drivng again and I said OK. Next pass with a 6000 RPM neutral drop and 6500 RPM shifts netted a 12.56. The boys went wild!
I drove the car in several more street engagments throughout the rest of the season.
Lot's more neutral drop stories. One great one with a 4 door 70 big block Caprice.

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Alex great story,
I bet you have alot storys to tell,I'd like to sit with you some time.And hear them all,or at least a few more.

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Alex sez... "First I threw it in L for LUNGE! Then I threw it in D for DRAG, but when I threw it in R for RACE, ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE!!!"

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posted 11-30-2002 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then I threw it in "G" for gimme the money!

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posted 12-01-2002 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We even had a guy we used to call "Captain neutral drop". LOL

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I lived next to a guy whose father had a Mercury Marquis and bought a Vega to save fuel around town in the mid 70's. My buddy did a lot of "threshold experimentation" in that Vega When he rolled about 38K, the motor was smoking like a bad stogie. They were pretty much a disposable car, like the Pinto. Use 'em and lose 'em- no resale value.
So my buddy hears of Don Hardy and his V-8 kits for Vegas.
Six months later we are rocketing down the road with a 327, Holley 780, 327/365 fuel injected Vette cam and headers. Trans was a powerslide 2 speed, and the weak link original Vega rear.
We saw alot of nuetral drops to get to the usable RPM of that motor. Quite a few of these were done from a roll, to rip the wheels loose just to hear the squeel. I loved them, since I wasn't paying for new treads.
When we were three miles from home, at the bottom of a hill my buddy did his last nuetral drop with the stock rear. Busted the spider gears in it. I remember looking under the Vega seeing the drive-shaft spin, but the car just stting there. That's when he ordered the Don Hardy shortened 12 bolt rear with 3.73 gears. He never did bust that powerslide. The car badly needed a TH350. Ohh, the memories of mis-spent youth.

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I really like this topic! Brings back good memories when all of this stuff was a lot of fun and we weren't so serious about everything.

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I really like this topic! Brings back good memories when all of this stuff was a lot of fun and we weren't so serious about everything.


Thats were I try to stay,where it's still alot of FUN.But I dont race for money now and cant see doing it anytime soon.I know that would change everything real fast.

I sure do enjoy reading all the storys you guys have.

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Way back, at least a couple of lifetimes ago, a friend came to visit me and rented a new 59 Ford. It's hard to believe that they rented a car to a teenager but they did and we drove it like you would expect a couple of brain damaged teenagers. The reason I mention this is that we must have done a hundred neutral drops on that poor car in a week. It was some kind of V8, I don't remember which one but it sure made a lot of tire smoke when we ran the rev's up as high as we could and did the drop.

I've got to hand it to Ford engineering, we didn't break anything but I bet we shortened the life of the engine and wore out the rear tires. We may be the reason that the companies won't rent to young people anymore.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I really like this topic! Brings back good memories when all of this stuff was a lot of fun and we weren't so serious about everything.


Alex, great f**king story!! I want to hear more MORE MORE MMOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRREEEEEEEE!!!

Of that $200 cash pot, how much did you take from it? or all? I wonder if the RR guys thought you hustled them since you tuned it too?

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I put in another $40 of my own.
The pot went up to over $350 by the time we actually got the run locked up.

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Ok whats the most you've ever WON and Loss in a street race.I stopped racing for money when I was 20 years old.And never have again,it just seems to take the fun out of it.And today these guys are asking for a $500 at the very least.To rich for my blood.

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And today these guys are asking for a $500 at the very least.To rich for my blood.

SCOOP


$1000 in my area and these older guys don't even take it off the trailer if the cash doesn't get flashed.

I've never witnessed sub 10 second cars run slicks on the street. I would imagine that you need a pretty good surface for the slicks to work as good as they do at the track. I wonder how they do on the street?!?

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I would imagine that you need a pretty good surface for the slicks to work as good as they do at the track. I wonder how they do on the street?!?


Slicks don't work nearly as well on the street as they do on a well prepped track. On a well prepped track, my car can be launched (off the bottle) at redline with the throttle buried. On the street, anything over 3500 rpm sent the slicks up in smoke.

Ummm... I didn't officially tell you that

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1. Switch nitrous to 'throttle' mode.

2. Launch at 3/4 throttle @ 3500 rpm.

3. When tires hook, bury throttle (which activates nitrous)

4. Shift to (and spin part way through) 2nd gear.

5. Row the gears and hope for a win.

This comes from memory, as it's been a while since I've done any street racing...

There's nothing more fun than street racing, but the hazards and possible loss of drivers license, along with a teaching job make it an unwise thing to do now-a-days...

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I have raced for a $10,000 pot in the 70's driving my old highly modified 67 Shelby GT-500 "ex" Pro Stock car. I put up $1000 of my own money and the rest was put up by about 20 or so other friends/supporters/fans etc. It was not uncommon for us to race for several thousand dollars in the pot.
I remember it as if it were yesterday.
We raced on Cicero ave. and I-55 just south of 43rd street.I raced a big block 4 speed 69 Chevelle.
The car had a cross ram with dual Holleys, big a$$ cam, 10.50 M&H slicks and was a towed job. After a hours of trash talking the terms were agreed on. The course was marked, money was counted out, and cops were paid $50 to be the finish line judges. We wanted no arguments with this much money in the pot.
I set the guy out 10 car lengths and we lined up. After several false starts by my boy in the Boo (common in Chicago street racing)we were finally ready. (I just kept on shutting the motor off as it took a while to measure off ten car lengths each time). They had to use a spotlight to start us as I could not see a flag man that far down.
I let the Mustang idle so I could hear my opponant rev his engine. As I heard him static rev, I floored the Mustang and side stepped the clutch at about 7000 RPM. BOOM!
I was off, wheels in the air about 2 feet ( that was high back then)and had picked up at least 1.5 to 2 car lengths before he even moved. I powershifted 2nd gear and got a bit closer, but now that big a$$ Boo was starting to roll and every time he cracked another gear, it seemed as if I was gaining less.
I finally caught his quarter panel when I hit 4th gear and realized that the marked finish line was very close. Thank the Lord for the top end power of a 427 Tunnel Port as I just nipped him by about a bumper.
Had the cops not been the judges and watching on my side it may have not been so decisive. Close races were generally turned into reruns which turned into fights.
We got paid!
IN retrospect, my ego almost got my a$$ that time as I should have never given up that much of a spot. The Shelby was a 10.80 car and the Boo was an 11.50 car (I didn't know that until we got to the race site). Do the math.
If not for my "creative" driving, I should have lost.
I didn't win all of the time, but over 95% of it. Where do you think the name Moneymaker came from?

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WOW 10,000 is alot of money to race for.
I dont what to offend you,but every street racing that I meet tells me they have won,almost every race.Will some has to lose some time.
I have lost my share of street races,but I've raced with a 10 second car.So that would change things.
In So Lake Tahoe back in the late 70's when I was really into it.The fastest car in town ran about 11 TO 12'S seconds.The average car ran in the 14's.It was a real small town.SO every one raced each other over and over.Until new guys would come to town.
They would have to race there way to the top.
And when we'd come down to reno or Sac,wow there was a ton of new cars to race.Yes and the fights just seem to go along with it.

COOL storys tell more if you can think of them.And if you wnat to maybe tell one that you lost.

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I just remembered seeing the Yull brothers race team car,run on the street.Now that was a cool race.Have you ever heard of them they use to be here in Reno.Yull brother racing shop.
They would bring one of there race cars to the street races when the money got high enough.

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Scoopers......the trick was to try and pick only the races you absolultly knew you could win.
Only fools would go into a race blind and they are the ones that generally lost.
Fortunatly, there were (and still are) a lot of "fools" out there that think that their cars are much faster than they are. The "magazine mechanics" always made certain of that.
The chassis dyno shops still maintain that tradition. LOL

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quote:
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Scoopers......the trick was to try and pick only the races you absolultly knew you could win.
Only fools would go into a race blind and they are the ones that generally lost.
...

Ever sand-bag? Purposely swap ignition wires or slightly f-up timing or other carb stuff on your own car to fake the competition into an unrealistic spot? Then, when the deal is cut and the money is up, put it all right and so the dope you ran had to go chasing their doors down the street.

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I was a master at sandbagging or (snorting as we used to call it).
The primary reason that I did so well with MM was it's docile demenor and appearance. I'll have to dig up some "old" pics and scan them for you guys. The car had no decals, lettering, Magnum 500 wheels (even the slicks were mounted on matching Magnum 500s)a moulded Cougar Eliminator hood scoop that looked stock, and full exhaust to the rear with "original" COrvair turbo mufflers. It was so quiet that all you could hear was the solid lifters and I had the carbs and tune up so right it idled pretty decent even with the LeMans cam.
Looking at the car by the days standards, it appeared hard pressed to run in the high 14's much less the 12's!

Over 50% of the street racers only went to the track once or twice a year. (I was sneaking off to the track every weekend and most times never let it all hang out past the 1000 foot mark depending on where I was and who was there. )
They based their performance on what the magazines said the parts would make it run, or what the speed shop said it "should" run, or what the "first" liar that they beat said his car ran.

There were a lot of very dissapointed guys out there when they got their first dose of "reality check" at the track.


Oh yeah, I DID lose once an a while, just not very often.

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I was a master at sandbagging or (snorting as we used to call it).
The primary reason that I did so well with MM was it's docile demenor and appearance. I'll have to dig up some "old" pics and scan them for you guys. The car had no decals, lettering, Magnum 500 wheels (even the slicks were mounted on matching Magnum 500s)a moulded Cougar Eliminator hood scoop that looked stock, and full exhaust to the rear with "original" COrvair turbo mufflers. It was so quiet that all you could hear was the solid lifters and I had the carbs and tune up so right it idled pretty decent even with the LeMans cam.
Looking at the car by the days standards, it appeared hard pressed to run in the high 14's much less the 12's!

Over 50% of the street racers only went to the track once or twice a year. (I was sneaking off to the track every weekend and most times never let it all hang out past the 1000 foot mark depending on where I was and who was there. )
They based their performance on what the magazines said the parts would make it run, or what the speed shop said it "should" run, or what the "first" liar that they beat said his car ran.

There were a lot of very dissapointed guys out there when they got their first dose of "reality check" at the track.


Oh yeah, I DID lose once an a while, just not very often.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scoopers......the trick was to try and pick only the races you absolultly knew you could win.
Only fools would go into a race blind and they are the ones that generally lost.
Fortunatly, there were (and still are) a lot of "fools" out there that think that their cars are much faster than they are. The "magazine mechanics" always made certain of that.
The chassis dyno shops still maintain that tradition. LOL


I was the fool that would race any one.But not because I thought I could beat them.I just love to race.
I still race any one,at the track or the street.Just not for money,just for fun and pride.
Besides you never when the car that should beat,will smoke his tires to long,or miss a shift or worst.I've won more then a few that I know for sure I should have lost.
I only wish they would build a track here in Reno.I still think it would get some of these guys off the street,and in a more safe area to race.

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Wow! 10k is hardcore!!! Most of the races I ran were for $20, a few for $50, and once I races a 396 Chevelle for pinks. I beat him, too! I was hanging out at a square in Old Orchard Beach. Back in those day, you would hang out at the square when tourist season was over and usually the crap used to flow and we'd pair off and go race at on a road that to this day I can't believe we used to race on. It's a long straightaway of about a mile, but it's only a two lane and as are many Maine roads are it's heavily crowned.
I was hanging out with a friend of mine and our girlfriends when a bunch of dubs in a '66 or '67 Chevelle SS 396 started hollering at us "Fords suck!" and other words of wisdom. So my buddy and I {we left the girls there. lol } and the crew of chebby idiots take off drive to the spot and we start talking money. I started at $20 and he said he didn't get out of bed for less than $500. Things got heated and before I even had a chance to think about it we were lining up for pink slips. I was really nervous because even though the Cleveland was running good, I started thinking I didn't have a chance against a big block.

We counted off and I got a real good jump off the line on him. I was even able to see him in the mirror and he was gaining on me slightly until my Cleveland got in it's sweet spot and starting pulling real well. We went all the way to the end of the road and we stayed in the same position, until I pulled in front of him and started slowing down to make the curve. I was psyched thinking I had just won a Chevelle! But I pulled over and he didn't stop. My friend and I went wild, yelling at them to stop, but they kept flipping us the bird and kept driving. We must have followed them for twenty minutes then they pulled into a yard. We pulled in behind them and told them "Pay up sucker, I'll take the keys and a bill of sales, thank you!"

They told us to go to hell, we jumped them on the start {I didn't}, their car wasn't running right because it should have beaten my pussy Ford easily, blah blah blah... Then they said "Anyway, what the fu*k are you going to do about it, there's only two of you and there were five of them and they had a couple of buddies in the house." One of the guys from the backseat pulled out a baseball bat.

Needless to say we left without the Chevelle, and one of them even had the class to throw a rock at us while we were pulling out.

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Alex, nice . Paid off the cops too?!?! That's always cool when the cops hang out.

10G's is a lot of cash too!! I'm surprised you gave the guy a 10 car head start. Great story!! Tell more!!

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Needless to say we left without the Chevelle, and one of them even had the class to throw a rock at us while we were pulling out.

No wonder I don't like most chebby guys.


Think about it, what would have done with a POS chebby chebell? Drain the oil and coolant and run the sh_t outta it?

Other than sell it (I was too goofy back then to look at the money end of it), any other suggestions.

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I would have bought a FOR SALE sign on the way home.

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Needless to say we left without the Chevelle, and one of them even had the class to throw a rock at us while we were pulling out.

No wonder I don't like most chebby guys.


Wow SteveL, that sounded pretty intense!! Too bad you didn't have 5-6 more of your other buddies around to back you up. I rarely hear of pink slip stories having a fair turnout.

Were you in your teens?

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posted 12-04-2002 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SteveL,

I just re-read your post. He raced with all 4 guys in his car?

Erik

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posted 12-04-2002 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup. Who was I to argue with him?

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posted 12-04-2002 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
I only wish they would build a track here in Reno. I still think it would get some of these guys off the street,and in a more safe area to race.

Over this past weekend I heard on the radio of a streetracer (I think in Florida) who hit a teenage couple broadside and killed them both; and now is facing MURDER CHARGES... the report went on to say the Law was looking for the other racer NOT involved in the crash and plan to press charges on him/her as well. They mentioned the driver of the racer involved was in some Mopar that was equipped with a roll cage.

Has anyone here heard about this or have any details about it?

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posted 12-04-2002 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
Wow SteveL, that sounded pretty intense!! Too bad you didn't have 5-6 more of your other buddies around to back you up. I rarely hear of pink slip stories having a fair turnout.

Were you in your teens?

Erik



I think I was 19 at the time.

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posted 12-04-2002 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We raced for everything from $10 to titles to a pair of shoes.
The big buck races were far and few between until the mid 70's when the drug culture got very big and lots of loose easy money became available in the metropolitan areas.
Most of my "encounters" were in the $300 to $500 range with MM. I had the Shelby for a short time and I only raced it two or three times on the street. All 3 were big buck races though as the $10k race story made BIG news around the street circles in a hurry.
As I mentioned, EGO had a lot to do with me spotting the boys in the Boo 10 cars. I had beaten the car badly before with MM earlier in the year when it was still a 396. They had a 427 built and did some ther work on the car to get it much faster. I didn't give them enough credit and took it for granted that they were just a bunch of dumb ghetto rats. With headers and cheater slicks, the Chevelle was only a high 13 second car at best when I ran them with MM.
Lessons learned:
1)NEVER judge a book by it's cover
2)NEVER count your chickens before they are hatched
3)NEVER spot ANYBODY 10 car lenghts on the street!

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posted 12-04-2002 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Street racing used to be real big around here. A rash of street racing accidents in the late 40's is why a track was needed. It's been going on since then even at times when there was a choice of two dragstrips.

I recall the early 80's stuff when several 9 second cars used to be out at any given weekend night, and sometimes Sunday mornings.

Nowadays it's mostly slower stuff, but there are a lot of very fast cars i hear about 7 second cars matching up the odd time.
Quite a few cars have been booted from the track until they become legal to run 9's.

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posted 12-04-2002 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:

3)NEVER spot ANYBODY 10 car lenghts on the street!


Well... That's not really true.

Sometimes, when I was racing a car that I wanted to make money on, I would tell them they could have a 5-10 car length head start...

And they could just watch me in their rearview mirror, and when I left, they could go.

Sure, they were still plenty far ahead when I'd leave, but the time it took for #1 them to notice in their mirror that my car had moved AND #2 react to it and set their car into motion the time differential was more than made up!

That 3/4 second at the starting line was only around a 1/2 to 1 car length (so I was still WAY behind off the line), but at the finish line travelling over 100mph, that 3/4 second is around 8-10 car lengths. (just think how far a car travels in 3/4 second @ 100+ mph)

(pay attention in physics class, it relates to racing REALLY well!)

memories...

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posted 12-04-2002 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple stories...

Both of these stories were back before I was using nitrous

I was fairly unfamilear with the area we were racing, and agreed to line up (heads up) with a 440 Six Pack Roadrunner that had the 6-pack replaced with a single four and nitrous. He was beating about everyone around there at the time. He had a 4.10 gear, I had a 3.89. (I INSISTED we run on radials) Low torque 302 vs. nitroused big block... starting line advantage, mustang!

This dude took us to a LONG stretch of wide straight concrete that went on for a couple miles. We did our burnouts and lined up. I didn't know exactly where the finish line was... (big mistake) It turns out, he figured I might get him off the line, but his nitroused big block would reel me in once we got moving. This must have been the longest race in the world! I bet it went for a half mile or more!!! At the end, even with a 3.89 gear and no bottle, my car was cranked out to 6800 rpm in high gear!!! Crossing the guys at the finish line felt like a jet plane fly-by! Oh yea, how it turned out... On the start, I pulled him about a carlength (just as expected), but that nitroused mopar just didn't have enough Wheaties, as the mustang kept that carlength advantage all the way to the finish line.

Some time later (no bottle) I took some money from a nitroused big block Chevelle, and he sold the car less than a week later.

Fun fun fun...

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posted 12-04-2002 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to close this thread and start a new one in the interest of conserving loading time and space.

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