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MrWesson22
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posted 11-22-2002 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would a shaker still shake if the engine is sitting on solid motor mounts? I'm asking the naive question here since I don't know if a good rumpity engine still shakes on solid mounts or if it just shakes the whole car instead.

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steve'66
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posted 11-22-2002 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neal,

The whole car will shake.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-22-2002 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, not much. It needs the rubber on the insulators to give it that roll.

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MrWesson22
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posted 11-23-2002 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's too bad. Back to plan A. I have another stupid question then. If I cut a hole in my hood and run a stock CJ scoop, how much clearance will I actually be gaining? Obviously this would be the thickness of that part of the hood plus the height of the scoop, but I don't know what kinda numbers we're talking about here.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 11-23-2002 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
That's too bad. Back to plan A. I have another stupid question then. If I cut a hole in my hood and run a stock CJ scoop, how much clearance will I actually be gaining?

Run a Boss '9 scoop and you will pick up about 3" clearence.

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MrWesson22
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posted 11-23-2002 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boss 9 scoops are way too wide IMO. I like the narrower, cleaner look of the factory Mach 1 scoop. I'm running a torker intake with no spacer now, and I'm so close on hood clearance I can't even use a wingnut on my air cleaner (have to just use a normal nut). I'd like to go to a strip dominator with a 1" 4 hole spacer, but I don't know if the CJ scoop will give me enough clearance for it.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 11-23-2002 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MrWesson22:
Boss 9 scoops are way too wide IMO. I like the narrower, cleaner look of the factory Mach 1 scoop. I'm running a torker intake with no spacer now, and I'm so close on hood clearance I can't even use a wingnut on my air cleaner (have to just use a normal nut). I'd like to go to a strip dominator with a 1" 4 hole spacer, but I don't know if the CJ scoop will give me enough clearance for it.



I think the CJ scoop is too narrow for any large aircleaner. That's why I sugggested the Boss 9 scoop. My current setup of a Strip Dominator, 1" spacer and a Predator carb barely clears the Boss '9 scoop. The predator is stupidly tall however.
When I finally install the Parker intake and stuffers, and go back to a Holley, I expect to have at least 2" clearence.
I think the strip Dominator is a little taller than the Torker BTW.Also A guy I know that raced a Cleveland circle track had problems with the block cracking if he ran two solid mounts. He ran a solid on one side (I forget which) and a rubber on the other.

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posted 11-23-2002 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
Boss 9 scoops are way too wide IMO. I like the narrower, cleaner look of the factory Mach 1 scoop. I'm running a torker intake with no spacer now, and I'm so close on hood clearance I can't even use a wingnut on my air cleaner (have to just use a normal nut). I'd like to go to a strip dominator with a 1" 4 hole spacer, but I don't know if the CJ scoop will give me enough clearance for it.



The BOSS SCOOP is to wide.
Do to the shape of the CJ you cant go with a large air cleaner,and I dont think you'll pick up alot in the height either.
I'd say you will p/u about 1-1.5" at the back of the CJ scoop.

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posted 11-23-2002 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, several of my NHRA/IHRA friends run 69-70 428 CJ Mustang stockers with shakers in place.
They all have solid motor mounts.
The shaker still shakes!

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posted 11-23-2002 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1trickpony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the shaker will still shake with solid mounts. Mine does!


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MrWesson22
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posted 11-23-2002 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm running a ford motorsport 10" air cleaner, so it would fit in the CJ scoop (I believe). But if a shaker still shakes well even with solid mounts, that's the route I'll go. With a shaker, the cool factor just goes through the roof.

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posted 11-23-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
I'm running a ford motorsport 10" air cleaner, so it would fit in the CJ scoop (I believe). But if a shaker still shakes well even with solid mounts, that's the route I'll go. With a shaker, the cool factor just goes through the roof.



You know that a shaker limits your intake height? A local guy had quite a time getting am aftermarket intake to work with a shaker.
The factory ford intakes are very low, and the Torker and strip dominator are both taller. Im sure you will have some (1/2" ?)room to play with, but I would verify before I spent the fairly large $$$ for a shaker setup.

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posted 11-23-2002 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For looks nothing beat a big *** BLOWER stick out of the hood.

2nd would by a pair of velocity stacks.You guys remember when they were in.

3rd and injector scoop.
4th A shaker scoop.ect....


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MrWesson22
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posted 11-24-2002 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
For looks nothing beat a big *** BLOWER stick out of the hood.

True, but at 10.8:1 CR, I'd have to run race gas with any amount of boost. That would be a bad thing.


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Mpcoluv makes a good point.With the shaker you have to have a set height or its not gonna fit through the hood properly,which is fine if you've got the setup figured out and it fits.But if your gonna be playing with spacers and intakes I would go with the scoop.I have a Mach scoop on my 68 and it basically just gives you the height of the scoop extra clearance since there are no braces in the hood in this area.Its not a huge scoop but a couple of extra inches make a big difference.I run a weiand excellerator intake with a one inch spacer and still had to use a plastic spacer to get my 10 inch filter through the hood and into the fresh air.The Mach scoop is mounted far enough back on the hood that your into the thickest part of it (front half) so don't worry about how it flattens out at the back.I'll go out and take a measurement and see how much extra room you would gain

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quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
True, but at 10.8:1 CR, I'd have to run race gas with any amount of boost. That would be a bad thing.



WHY would race gas be a bad thing????


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posted 11-24-2002 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did a rough measurement of the clearance that the mach1 scoop gives on my 68 stang.about 1 1/4 inches at the back and about 1 3/4 at the front.There would be slightly more right in the centre of the scoop.

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MrWesson22
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posted 11-25-2002 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate the measurements on the CJ scoop. That really gives me an idea of how I need to go with this. I don't think the strip dominator and a spacer are gonna fit under a shaker, as cool as it would be.

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