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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
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posted 11-03-2002 04:20 PM
   
All this talk about better 60's.Got thinking it would be great if we had a tread.All about launching.Most of you guys know alot more then I do.But there has to be a few out there who wouldn'tmind to learn more.
I always feel it's better to learn from those that have already been there,before you start on your own journey.  SCOOP ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 04:28 PM
The very first thing to learn about launching a car at the track even before learning how to stage correctly, is how to optimize and maximize traction.
Get your car to hook with the horsepower you have before you try to make more. ------------------
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 04:42 PM
ALex my dad has told that same thing for years.He used to bracket race a 66GTO 389 4spd back in 1966.It was an all stock except for 4:56 gears and slicks.Which he ran year round.He tells me that use to blow away more powerful cars because of TRACTION,and gears.
The only thing it's so long since he's raced.He knows what should happen just not how to get there. I agree with you and him both.The race is won or lost in the 1st 60feet most of the time. And so traction if I understand it right.Is made up of the right tires and shocks,and springs. SCOOP ------------------
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 04:48 PM
So lets take my car.If you had what 60 foot times do you think you could get out of it.Without changing the motor trans or gears.
And how much would it cost to do it?
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7DMACH1
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posted 11-03-2002 05:25 PM
My 86 Capri went 13.04 with 1.78 60ft on slicks. Worked on the suspension and car went 12.86 with 1.65 60ft. No change in anything else. Alex is correct, horsepower means nothing if you can't put it to the ground. Just look at top fuel and funny car. RAY------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 06:30 PM
I guess the first thing that I would do Ron if you already have not done it is remove the front sway bar and add 90/10 front shocks. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I guess the first thing that I would do Ron if you already have not done it is remove the front sway bar and add 90/10 front shocks.
I have not done either yet.I will be getting the CE adjustable front shocks this winter. And on the sway bar,would you run it removed on the street too?
The car seems alittle loose on the freeway on ramps now.  Ron ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 06:42 PM
If you have skinny front tires and don't plan on doing any road racing then I would take it off permenantly.  Get the Summit shocks. They are cheaper and made by the same manufacturer as the C&E's. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
If you have skinny front tires and don't plan on doing any road racing then I would take it off permenantly. Get the Summit shocks. They are cheaper and made by the same manufacturer as the C&E's.
Thanks for tip on the shocks.
I'll get them this week,it'll give me a good reason to go to Summit again. Front tires are 205-60-14,not real skinny. SCOOP ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 06:57 PM
Well then Ron, I guess that you can just take it on and off when you go racing. It's inly going to be six bolts and nuts. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Well then Ron, I guess that you can just take it on and off when you go racing. It's inly going to be six bolts and nuts.
I'm not trying to bug you about this. But if I run without the sway bar all the time with bigger front tires,what would it do?
Why would a smaller front tire matter?? Yes I could just take it on and off.I dont road race the car at all.I do have to drive on the highway at 60+mph to get to the track. Ron
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 07:07 PM
The smaller tires will make it easier to steer Ron. The sway bar does not make it not sway left to right anyway. It just helps keep the car from rolling in the turns. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 07:13 PM
What would you expect to pick up the 60's just from those two items.The 90-10's and no sway bar?Ron ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2002 07:33 PM
Well it all depends, but I would suspect at least .005 to a full tenth for sure if it is spinning as much as you say it is Ron. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Fastymz
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posted 11-03-2002 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Well it all depends, but I would suspect at least .005 to a full tenth for sure if it is spinning as much as you say it is Ron.
Alex last time at the track I got the spinning down to about 10ft.But thats leaving at 800rpm.
If I leave at 2000rpm it spins for a good 20feet plus. SCOOP ------------------
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mustangboy
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posted 11-03-2002 09:10 PM
Scoop I can't emphasize this enough!Get yourself some sticky tires or slicks.I went through this a few years ago.I was getting beat by stock 5.0s,I was going all through traction bar settings etc,got myself some McCrearys at a swap meet and what a difference.They chopped my 60s by a good 4tenths minimum.The car is so much easier too drive.Save up your dough and get some tires it will be more bang for the buck than all the chassis tricks you do combined.I spent over $400 dollars for adjustable shocks and basically saw no advantage in 60fts.Strangely the car was a tenth quicker overall but I never actually got as good as my previous best with the old worn out stock shocks(I still have some experimenting to do though).Oh and by the way those 5.0s now even with a little spray are seeing nothing but my tail lights.
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Fastymz
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posted 11-30-2002 04:55 PM
mustangboy,I'm working on getting some rear tires. Thats a great improvement you got from them.Alex,I got the 90-10's on sway bar off.I got 195-60-14 tires.
What would you do next. SCOOP
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-30-2002 07:12 PM
What shocks do you have on the back again Ron?
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posted 11-30-2002 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
What shocks do you have on the back again Ron?
Old leaky air shocks. SCOOP ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-30-2002 07:51 PM
Time for new rear shocks Ron. If you can afford them the QA-1's are the BEST. If not Rancho's are a very poor substitute with the Summit rears as an absolute last resort. ------------------
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Fastymz
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posted 11-30-2002 08:38 PM
Alex I think I could do the Rancho's not the QA1's $$$.
And for the price of the rancho's I could get rear tires.What would be better to get if you could only have one at a time.New stickey rear tires or the rear shocks?I think you'll say the tires. I'll try for the shocks this summer.
I'll also look into getting the rear leafs rebuilt before spring time. SCOOP ------------------
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posted 11-30-2002 08:52 PM
Tires. ------------------
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