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Moneymaker
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posted 10-24-2002 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How big is too big? Too big is never big enough!
Talked with a FoMoCo engineer friend today and I may be getting a "test" thick wall, long skirt windsor block to fool around with. I told him if they throw in some cyliner head castings that I may be persuaded to "play around" some.
Who knows? I may just do something to prove a point. Maybe NMCA's Real Street with MM and no juice crutch. We may have to curtail some of our NHRA/IHRA racing next season due to financial concerns so an NMCA limited schedule may be a plan? Purely in the bench racing stages now of course.
Anyway, back to the subject matter of the thread.
So how does a 440 inch Windsor with one really BIG carb build up sound to you all?

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posted 10-24-2002 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got WOOD just thinking about it.
A 440w would be so cool.

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posted 10-24-2002 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which heads are you planning to talk him out of?

Really big sounds really cool.

NMCA sounds really good too, how about a little NMRA also.

Go for it, a little variety is a good thing.

John

To quote an old friend of mine,
"If bigger is better then too big is just enough."

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Dad Vishus
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posted 10-24-2002 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Should be killer if you can get some GOOD heads to go with it.

I've got a set of high port plate 4V quench heads I'm not plannning on using anytime soon.

Don't know if those are legal in the deal you are looking at, but would make major horse power on something. They have the intake ports raised also.

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posted 10-24-2002 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant NMRA (oops).


"N" heads of course.

If I can talk him out of the heads then I'll hit him up for an intake and a crank blank as long as I am at it.

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posted 10-24-2002 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell yeah!!!

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posted 10-24-2002 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,
Check out this link. The PRO Pro Stock class. The NMCA seems to be loosing competitors, PRO seems to be gaining momentum. These are the same guys that organize the NMRA events. http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/rules.html

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posted 10-24-2002 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you will really enjoy racing where being the number 1 qualifier means a lot more when eliminations start.

I would like to know how much airflow you get from the N heads. Ford got 296 @ .700 lift with what they described as "Mild stage 2 porting". Exhaust was 236 @ .700 lift.

I am going to get a pair of these to put on an econo altered. They flow way better than the Chevy Turbo. I would go for the NMRA if only they were a little closer.

John

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Dusty Kiser
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posted 10-24-2002 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dusty Kiser   Click Here to Email Dusty Kiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like mucho fun. What chassis, Money Maker? Do you have any clearnce problems when going that big, say rods hitting cam lobes or such?

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posted 10-24-2002 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, MM on 9 inch radials would be the goal.
I am 100% confident that given a fiberglass hood with a scoop, an appropriate carb, and removing 150 lbs of ballast that MM can go high 10.20's to low 10.30's as is with the 289 in it. The chassis is scienced out well enough to almost make it bog right now on kill.
The 1.37 to 1.39 sixty foots are proof enough.
I already am using 55mm bore NASCAR cam cores that the base circles are ground as small as a lawn mower's. Rod clearance should not be an issue. I am more concerned with the pin and ring groove locations.
Anyone remember the Bill Jenkins designed SRT pistons?

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posted 10-24-2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bfxcomet   Click Here to Email bfxcomet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope the deal works out Alex. What kind of trans would you run?
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posted 10-24-2002 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JPT C-4, but with a much tighter 8 inch converter (as opposed of my normal 7 inch) and much calmer low gears.

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posted 10-24-2002 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
440 ci?

Good gracious almighty, EXACTALLY what Scoop said

How would this long skirt block compare to the new Dart iron blocks? Just saw them for the first time... WOW

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posted 10-24-2002 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
440 ci?

Good gracious almighty, EXACTALLY what Scoop said

How would this long skirt block compare to the new Dart iron blocks? Just saw them for the first time... WOW


WOW!! Exactly what Todd and Ron said!!

I'd like to see what you could do with 440 Alex. I'd say for go for it!! Change can be good.

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posted 10-25-2002 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you talking about the 2 ring pistons that came on the scene? I have heard much about them in the last 5-7 years.....

Are they a viable option with about 1" or less comp height?

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posted 10-25-2002 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SRT = S-ingle R-ing T-ype .

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What is so great about the N heads above other heads like the AFR heads?
Because FRPP will give them to you for free?
If you run a 4.100 stroke, and 6.2 rods you can run 1.25 compression height pistons.
This will probably put the oil ring in the pin hole...you could run a pin button with the ring groove machines into it.....
Sounds like my dream project

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posted 10-25-2002 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it sounds like a really cool project.

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posted 10-25-2002 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that you describe the SRT I do remember it. Weren't they sold by Manley? As I remember they were only for sb Chevy which means they can be used for Windsor Fords but the valve reliefs will be wrong for the N head.

JE makes two pistons for the N head, both with flat tops. They are Part # 170857 with a 1.230 pin height and #173677 with a 1.25 pin height.

The N head has the valves at a 10 degree angle so even with pretty radical cams no valve notches are needed. Great for building compression with little or no dome.

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posted 10-25-2002 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were made by Manley for the SBC. I would use a custom CP piston anyway. As for the oil ring through the pin hole with a button, been there done that. Don't you guys remember my 363 inch 8.2 deal from the early 80's?
Probably just a two ring deal is all we would need.
AFR heads? What are those?

I have my reasons for using the "N" head . One of the most important ones is the RULES! LOL Got to have a OEM part number on the head castings.

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Ok I have a dumb question for you.Why wouldn't you be able to get out of the 10's with that motor.
It would seem like the 440 would but out more power then your 289.Not saying your 289 is a SLUG.

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posted 10-25-2002 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, not a dumb question at all. You just missunderstood what I wrote.
I said that I feel that MM can go 10.20's to 10.30's RIGHT NOW, or AS IS with just some weight removal, a bigger carb, and a hood scoop.
I fully expect that I can get it into the low low 9's or high 8's with a 440 combo on motor. I do not think that I would need to change much in the suspension tuning to achive that goal based on some of the slugs I see running mid 8's in the NMRA with mid 1.40 sixty foot times.

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posted 10-25-2002 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I understand now,but now I really feel DUMB.

That hood scoop alone should get you into the 9's.
If you need scoop advice let me know.


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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scoop, not a dumb question at all. You just missunderstood what I wrote.

He wasnt the only one who mis-understood.

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I assume Cleveland heads are outlawed for that class?

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quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
He wasnt the only one who mis-understood.


Thanks Rob,that makes me feel better.

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posted 10-25-2002 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just re-read it and it seems understandable to me.

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Cleveland heads might be legal, but fitting them and headers onto a 9.5" dech height block in a 65 Mustang won't be easy. Besides wedge heads can be made to outflow them.

Isn't the N head an iron Ford head sorta equivalent to a Pro Action SBC head.

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posted 10-25-2002 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Similar Tomp.

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Didn't the earlier versions of the 'N' head have problems with cracking? I haven't seen too many drag cars using these. Most have been used on circle tracks that have an 'iron' head rule.... just like 'Real Street' in the NMCA.

I guess 'Real Street' still requires iron heads. Isn't that the class Gary Rhoe used to dominate with his 79' mustang? Which head did he use? I do know the old iron versions of TFS's High Port head are really hard to find now-a-days... These might be an option.

I'd love to see MM doing battle with a bigger 'hammer' under the hood.

p.s. I have a feeling you'll be trying to fit a little more rubber under the back end of your favorite race horse. Room for GOOD headers will also be a problem.

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Most of the Real Street motors that Kuntz was involved with used the early version of the "N" head Mike. Cracking was not an issue. Rules stipulate a OEM casting number. The new revisions look very good as is and we'll fool with them a bit just for kicks.
I have room for up to 12 inches of tire under MM if I really need it. With the low gear dropped down a ton to about a 2.26,rear gears reduced, and a tighter converter I should be able to hook it up with no more than a 10.5.
I went 10.79 in less than perfect air last time out with the NEW Goodyear yellow letter radials. They hooked better out of the box than any radial we have ever tried. I did have the car over 100#'s heavy and we did NOT have a "fast" tune up in it.

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posted 10-26-2002 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, headers would not be a problem. We would just build some new step units to fit the car and engine. I sure wouldn't invest the time and effort in a project of this magnatude and then skimp headers.

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BTW, Rohe ran in EZ Street. It is a cast iron head class but they allow Nitrous. Those guys are in the low 8's

I ran a couple events at Maple Grove in the now defunct NMCA Factory Street. That class was kinda neat because they required factory heads.
Real Street's class record is:8.872 155.02

Here's the cylinder head rule from 2002 for NMCA Real Street:
Heads - NMCA/NSCA approved OEM-production (an OEM part is obtained from the original manufacture's parts counter) or NMCA approved aftermarket (generally, non OEM, replacement parts and high performance products) are allowed (cast iron or aluminum). Cylinder heads must be of conventional production design (inline, canted, splayed, hemi, wedge design). Cylinder heads must maintain original-production port layout (EX:Port layout of EX, IN, IN, EX, EX, IN, IN, EX). Cylinder heads must maintain (keep as measured) original-production valve angles (+ or - 2 degrees). Cylinder heads must be available to the general public (made for the general public, with parts numbers, and sold by dealers). Intake adapter plates and/or intake port plates are permitted. A weight penalty of 100 pounds will be assessed to vehicles, which use intake adapter plates or intake port plates. Intake adapter plates and/or intake port plates are not restricted to removable items. A cylinder head which uses an intake port adapter cast as part of the head is considered to be using an intake port plate. There are no restrictions to valve guide and valve stem diameter. Any valve head diameter is permitted. OEM, stainless-steel replacement, or titanium valves permitted. Adapter plates are permitted to bolt headers to cylinder head with a maximum thickness 3/8 inch.

The following cylinder heads have slight variations to the above descriptions but are permitted: Dart big-block GM PN 6002 and 6003; Trick Flow Twisted-wedge small-block GM PN TFS31400001, TFS31400002, TFS31400003, TFS31400004, and TFS31400006; Twisted-wedge small-block Ford PN 52400001, 52400002, 524B00001, 524B00002, TFS-51400001, TFS-51400002, TFS-51400003, 5141B001, 5141B0012, and 5141B0013. On these exception heads, valve angle must remain as cast with zero tolerance.

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posted 10-26-2002 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Oh yeah, headers would not be a problem. We would just build some new step units to fit the car and engine. I sure wouldn't invest the time and effort in a project of this magnatude and then skimp headers.


Just for curiositys sake, what's the ballpark price for a set of custom headers these days?
$1k? or more?

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posted 10-26-2002 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My cost about $900 or so without any coating.

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What I was asking was... Is there room for a good set of custom headers for a 9.5" block in that cramped engine bay? I'd say your existing 289 headers are pretty tight... and I can't see you hacking the shock towers out of MM for a different front suspension.

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Alex, maybe I'll get to meet you. My friend is building a car for NMRA Hot Street class. It's a new 351 dart block. 399 cid. I pretty sure that Hot Street is limited to 400 cid. You might want to check the rules for what class you are going to run. Anyway maybe I'll see you because I'm going to run the circuit with him. RAY

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posted 10-26-2002 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, the motor has been "moved around" a bit so there is room for a large tube step header even with a tall deck block. My current headers look so tight no because the tubes are already so large.

Hell with the 400 inch limit. They have to catch me first.
Those MORONS can't measure anything that doesn't require a yardstick anyway. LOL

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posted 10-27-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Hell with the 400 inch limit. They have to catch me first.
Those MORONS can't measure anything that doesn't require a yardstick anyway. LOL


With a smallblock, who'd suspect it anyway?

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I guess the class is called "Hot Street". I'm told that there will be some rule revisions for 2003 to allow more diverse combinations. Apparently not all the competitors are want to use power adders.

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Hot Street is a cool class. I went to the NMRA Finals at Bowling Green as a spectator. Hot Street was one of the better classes.

Most of the cars were late models, but there was one '66 coupe running in the thick of things. Nick Bacalis of Atlanta. The car has a 401 ci na engine and a C-4/Cal-Tracs. There is a pic and some info on his car in the new Dec 02 Car Craft, pg 23. The magazine is a little outdated. Lists him with a best of 9.46/143. At Bowling Green I saw him run a 9.36 in qualifiyng. Nick at Bowling Green:
http://stangcrazy.com/events/bg_2002/pic_gallery/hs_pages/hs12.htm

A car needs to be able to run 9.30's-9.40's to be in the running.

There are 4 weight classes based on engine size.
Up to 311ci 2,700 LBS.
Up to 360ci 2,950 LBS.
Up to 400ci 3,100 LBS.
Up to 440ci 3,200 LBS.
With an 8.5 lb per ci weight penalty for going over in each of those categories.

For thosewho haven't seen them, here are the class rules:
http://www.nmraracing.com/rules/hot_street/

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posted 10-31-2002 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See why I want to build a 440 CID piece?


Bacalis has a two speed powerslide in his 66 Mustang, not a C-4. Runs well for what it is, but leaves the line like a school bus. Most of the Hot street cars have serious traction issues. I think that I can handle that aspect of the class.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Bacalis has a two speed powerslide in his 66 Mustang, not a C-4.

Hmm. Just noticed that. The above pic shows a BTE Glide sticker on the very front corner of the fender. The info/pic in the New Car Craft lists a Performance Automatic C-4 and the car has the PA sticker in the same spot as where the BTE sticker is now. CC also lists his best et as 9.46. Guess they had an older pic and older info. Maybe the glide calmed the car down and it picked up some ET, because I saw him run a 9.36 in the Sat night qual session at BG.

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Clarification!
I would like to clarify a statment that I made earlier on this thread.

"Hell with the 400 inch limit. They have to catch me first.
Those MORONS can't measure anything that doesn't require a yardstick anyway. LOL "

It seems as though ANYONE and ANYTIME can and will take something out of context to make conversation or create controversy.
Now everyone knows that I am outspoken and a bit on the arrogant side. I spend a lot of time here on M&M and make several hundred posts a week. Occasionally I misspell or leave a word or two out and SOMEONE just has to relish in my error. SO WHAT! I really don't care. Point it out to me and I'll correct myself or suck up and say I'm wrong. It won't be the first time and it sure won't be the last.
I should have clarified that I was directing my point at the former NMRA tech people that I had experiance with. I didn't, so shame on me!
Now SOMEBODY decides to cut and paste my comments on a NMRA board and make a federal case out of it. I did not mean anything derrogetory towards any NMRA racers or competitors. You all know that I have the utmost respect for any FoMoCo racers regardless of motorsports venue. Even sewer gas!
END OF STORY!

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posted 11-01-2002 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RESTOMAN   Click Here to Email RESTOMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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When you have accomplished one tenth of what I have then question what I can or can't do.
You and I went round and round on my work pricing and practices once before Restomod. That got you knowhere.
What records do you hold? What records have you set? What events have you won? As a matter of fact, what the hell have you run other than your mouth? Don't come to my website and try to fence with me. You don't carry a big enough stick.
I go as fast as I do with 299 cubic inches, stock heads a 40 year old 400 CFM carb and no N02 or other power adders. What can you do with the same parameters? Not much I suspect.I know what I can do with 440 inches, good heads and a BIG carb.
Let it go Resto. It was nice and civil here without you, let's keep it that way. You don't like me and you don't even know me.
I don't know you well enough to pass personal judgement so I won't.
There is no sense in us bantering back and forth. When you get your car running give me a call sometime. You know where to find me.

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posted 11-01-2002 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK guys...

I'll butt heads with about anyone out there on topics that I'm knowledgable about. Alex and I have had our 'debates' on here from time to time as well...

BUT, cutting and pasting comments from one forum to another to discredit one of our more knowledgable members is not a sign of good taste. We all know Alex's head tends to swell every now and then, but we accept him for who he is, and try and learn from his experience.

As for a 8 second car being a 'slug'. It depends upon the context. If car's similar to yours are running 6's and 7's... then your 8 second car would be considered a 'slug'. Running faster than somebody else does not make you better than they are. If you barely beat my little 289 headed 302 street car with a nitroused 557 race car, shame on you! Your car should half track mine. We have to talk apples to apples here.

I give a lot of credit to cars that run really well for what they are. (this is where the real talent lies) I would be WAY more impressed by a 10 second 4cyl Pinto (or even a Honda) than a 10 second 500+ci BBF light weight race car with Dominator carb, full race heads, etc. Something like that should be running at least 9's.

There are a lot of good people here, let's not start throwing mud. The one's who throw the mud are the ones who come out looking the dirtiest.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Now SOMEBODY decides to cut and paste my comments on a NMRA board and make a federal case out of it.

Alex,

That was very Chicken Sh!t for someone to do that!
I wouldn't worry about, and the NMRA shouldn't worry about it either.

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I believe the "slug" comment was merely short for saying "the car doesn't 60 ft. as well as it should for the E.T./MPH numbers that it posts". I'm the resident expert on slugs...I own one (but I'm working to de-slug it!)

You really need to see MM's suspension in action to understand where Alex is coming from.

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A mid 8 second car is not a slug. But for the ETS's they run, most of them leave the line like a school bus. If the owners spent a little more time tuning a suspension and less time worrying about making more power, that same mid 8 second car would run low 8's. But instead of tuning the chassis any better, they feel if they just put more spray to it that will overcome the terrible 60' times. Am I impressed with most of these guys with their high dollar all aftermaket motors that need big power adders to run as fast as they do? Not in the least bit.

And people that copy and paste from one site to another just to discredit someone they obviously dont like, is as low as it comes. No class. People on other sites frequently make comments I dont agree with, but I like to think I am above pulling a juvenile stunt like that trying to make them look bad.

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You really need to see MM's suspension in action to understand where Alex is coming from.

It's always a good idea to know what you're talking about before you open your trap.

Anyone with a brain knows a quote taken out of context always says more about the quoter than the quotee, anyway.

I remember this guy, Alex. He slammed you for charging too low for changing rear end gears. Still hasn't figured out the Caps Lock key concept, either!

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Spending as much time around "small tire" cars as I do and devleoping proven "launch" techniques/chassis enhancements somewhat qualifys me as an expert in the subject.

When NHRA/IHRA "stock" eliminator cars without 4 links or ladder bars can 60 foot in the mid 1.30's with mid to low ten second ET's on NINE inch tires, I do not feel that my "slug" comment towards that lackluster mid 1.40 60 foot times on the low nine and high 8 second ET cars is unfounded. It's one thing to make/produce gobs of horsepower, yet another to get it to the ground.
It is proven thousands of times a year, that NHRA/IHRA stock and superstock cars are the most efficiant drag race cars in competition.
My friend Ron Anderson, former NHRA/IHRA superstock racer, entered NMRA Real Street (I think that's the class? stock cam class) last year. He applied his knowledge and science to his Fox car and promptly became the first car in his class to run in the tens. Everyone cried foul and he was called a cheater. They tore him down at every event looking for stuff. He just kept on shoving the time slips in the officials faces and asking them to look at his 60 foot times compared to the rest of the competitors. ONE TENTH differance from the next closest in 60 foot alone. It's all about efficiancy.
Make the most of what you have.
RIGHT No2 Mike??
Look at what Mike has done with his combo before you go bragging about yours.

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Just to clarify a few things. The NMRA Hot Street class is not in the eights. Maybe next year they will be. They were running 9.30's. They do not allow power adders in that class. I think they 60 foot pretty good. I think the class you might be thinking of is Drag Radial and Super Street Outlaw. They leave very soft because of the tire they run and then go. I saw a turbo car with a 171 60ft go 8.87. RAY

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I do not know the particulars of all the NMRA classes. They seem to change almost weekly based on the e-mails I get from them.

Isn't Hot Street strictly lbs to cubic inch?

The class directly above it allows blowers No2? Yes/no?

What I do know is the 60 foots of many of the mid nine to high eight second cars were very poor regardless of class.
I believe that "Hot Street" is allowed a 10.5 tire?
Yes/no?
Don't most of the classes below Pro/5.0 allow a 10.5 tire? Some taller some 10.5 x 26.0?
I missplaced my NMRA rule book.

If anyone has ever seen the "Outlaw Superstock" cars in action, they represent what can be done with mid to low eight second cars on a 10.5 tire.
Their 60 foot times are more correspondent to their 1/4 mile ET's.


(8.87 with a 1.72 sixty foot time???
Reminds me of an old A/FX 65 Mustang with a injected 427 SOHC on nitro that raced at Oswego in the 70's. Left like a bus and only ran 11.40's..........at 165 MPH!!!!!!!!

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Yes, 400 cid 3100lbs. 440cid 3200 lbs. 8.5 pounds for every cubic inch over 440. Tires, must measure 10.6x28.6 no more. 750 type carb, only approved intakes. No foward facing scoops. No Power Adders!!! Here's the site for all the rules. http://www.nmraracing.com/rules/hot_street/

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That's what I thought.

The exact reason I picked 440 inches. I can make the car anywhere from 2900 lbs to 3200 lbs quite easily.
My FoMoCo pal and I were discussing it over the phone when he first called about the block. He wasn't even certain of the classes name. He thought that it was Real Street, which it obviously is not. As I said, they do change the rules quite frequently and unless you follow it religeously it can be confusing.

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sorry about the bs---will not happen again.

i do not know Alex--he is obviously very good at what he does--

see ya
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We're cool!

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I just read all the posts here.I cant believe that some one would cut and paste that,WHY.
I dont find Alex full of himself at all.I take him as a guy that know's his stuff.Someone thats been asked the same question hundreds of times.And still gives the same advice now.
I know a thing or two about slugs.But I dont have any doubts that with the help of this site,that will get better.

I read every post in the racing forum.And I've learned alot more here then from any other source I've seen.

I'd love to sit down with some of you guys.And pick your brian for a couple of hours.

So far with the help of this site I've gone from 2.6-60's to 2.2.

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I'd love to sit down with some of you guys.And pick your brian for a couple of hours.

I offered to sweep the floors at MMR just to pick up on a thing or two. Too long a commute though

I'm soooooooo bummed I can't make it to the Doo-Dah. I'd have loved to shoot the sh*t with you guys for a while and learn some good stuff

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is this project a 302 or 351 based block?

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Scoop, slim pickens here!!!

Alex, see ya at the track. RAY

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Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
Scoop, slim pickens here!!!

Ray I'm sure you have forgot more then I'll ever know.
You do kinda look like Slim Pickens.

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Well just want to let you all know that RESTOMAN is a friend of mine. He's a little hot headed and when he read that he went balistic. I told him to just let it go, but he couldn't. Now he's sorry he did it because he looks like an idiot. I'm sure some of you wouldn't like someone saying that about your car. Anyway the Hot Street class is very competitive. Champion Billy Laskowski has a 1.2 60 ft. time, so does Kurt Neighbor and most of the others. I don't think that's a slug. Like I said the guys on drag radials leave soft because of the tire they are running. Joe is one of the most knowledgable guy I know. He has done all the work on my cars for over 18 years. He is the best Tech. I've every seen in 33 years when he worked at my dealership. Maybe Alex can understand that he's just a hot headed pollock. His last name is Dutkiewicz. Joe is truthfully sorry and we will be running in Hot Street next year.. See ya at the track. Sorry for the trouble. RAY

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Thanx, Scoop. I didn't think I was that FAT and I'm a Yankee from up North!!! LOL RAY

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Joe,

Glad to have you with us. Stick around and jump in whenever you can, Alex is "da man" though. He's help all of us and has our total respect. We look forward to more of your posts,

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Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
Thanx, Scoop. I didn't think I was that FAT and I'm a Yankee from up North!!! LOL RAY


Ray you know I was J/K I hope.

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Ok, yoube the JUDGE!!! LOL RAY

VOTE: Do I look like Slim Pickens or not????

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Well, I wouldn't say that you skipped too many meals Ray.

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Oh yeah, and on the 60 foot issue.
Guys, you need to look at the times slips. I have. The HS time slips that I have seen were all over the place. Most would vary the 60 foots by .005 or more and the 1/4 ET's varried by 2 tenths!!!!
I said MOST, not all. To me, a mid to high nine second car that can only 60 foot 1.40 to 1.50 on slicks is a SLUG in the launch department! PERIOD! NO excuses. Get to work on your car and make it better.
MOST SS/LA NHRA and IHRA cars 60 foot in the mid 1.40's to low 1.50's.
Most can only run 10.90 or slower.
I go 1.37 - 1.38 60 foot consistantly when I am in heads up trim and 10.60's to 10.70's.
IN SS/MA NOBODY else can run 10.90's or 11.00's in NHRA or IHRA.
NOBODY else can 60 foot 1.41 to 1.42.
Eventually the better guys/gals will catch up because the better guys/gals work on their sh*t until they get it right.
IN Superstock, we all pretty much make the same HP in our respective classes. All of the mid pack and quicker cars are near or over 500 HP. The slide rule tells us that.
The better cars are faster because the CAR and entire package has been scienced out to it's potential.
From what "I" have seen, too many of the HS NMRA racers seem to concentrate more on making gobs of power than getting their cars to work. Hence the poor 60 foot times in relationship to their 1/4 mile ET's.
If you can't get it to the ground, 1000 HP ain't gonna do you any no good!
Not to toot my own horn, but I am a MASTER at getting cars to work ont he starting line. It didn't happen over night. It took me YEARS of research, testing, trial and error, and wasted efforts.
I think that if I do decide to jump into the HS class it will be another learning curve for us and we'll need a few races to be competitive. We'll have the HP that's for sure, but I'll have to figure out gear ratios, and converter profiles. Then I'll have to apply all of that and make the car hook.
We'll get it done one way or another that much I can guarantee.
Besides, from what I hear, MOST of the NMRA HS guy/gals are very friendly towards new competitors and will offer up their own advice from their mistakes and experiances. Maybe I can share a thing or two with them also.

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Yep chassis science is everything.3500lb stockers running 10.0's can go low 1.30's on 9" slicks and leaf springs. Maybe the problem is having power enough to run 1.teens and getting it to the point it'll do 1.30's and not blow the tires away?

Ray, you sure you weren't in Blazing Saddles?

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I am sure glad I Missed all of this!!!

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Ray, you sure you weren't in Blazing Saddles?


Thats HOW Ray could afford that awsome car.
Hey Ray do you have any pictures of yourself in a cowboy hat.

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YO!! I'm from Philly, did you ever see Stalone ware a cowboy hat???LOL RAY
PS. think I'll have a cheese steak and a Hoagie!!!

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posted 11-03-2002 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Ray, sure did.
In the movie Rhinestone.
As a matter of fact, weren't you in it too?

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What am I a movie star now???? Just thought I was a little 5'6" wise [email protected]@ Philly Guy!!

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Hey Alex. Do you remember the Dealership in the picture. Used to be called Rice and Holman. Did you know Al Joniac? He ran the Batman car from that dealership. The dealer I work for used to be Ray Swenson Linc-Merc. He also had Swenson Ford which Al Joniac worked at and ran a car called Peanuts. Do you remember?? RAY

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posted 11-03-2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What am I a movie star now???? Just thought I was a little 5'6" wise [email protected]@ Philly Guy!!
Hey Ray,since you are almost famous,can you send me your autograph...mabey on a blank check?

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Here ya go. Here's your check. See if it get's you further than me!!! LOL RAY

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posted 11-04-2002 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But where is your autograph? that check isn't anygood!

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Yes Phil, I remember both Rice-Holman FOrd and the Batcar Mustang AFXer. I saw it with my older brother at US 30 Dragstrip when I was a kid.

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Alex, my name is not "Phil" it's "RAY", I'm from "PHILLY" Maybe your thinking of Phil Boner. LOL RAY

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Yeah Ray, that's it.......that's what I said Ray from Philly, not Phil from Raylly.


LOL oops

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Yeah Ray, that's it.......that's what I said Ray from Philly, not Phil from Raylly.


LOL oops


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You can call me Ray or you can call me Jay, BUT DON'T CALL ME PHIL!!! LOL RAY

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