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kwazykat
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posted 10-20-2002 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwazykat   Click Here to Email kwazykat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me and kidv went to roxy (roxboro nc) last nite to play a little....

i entered his lightning in sportsman footbrake just cause the moon was full and i wanted to howl a little!

keep in mind i havent raced since i lost my job in april of 2001.....so needless to say... i am (at least) a little rusty!

first time run she came out of the gate with a .564 light a 2.143 60 foot and an ET of 9.721 at 71.347 MPH..... what a fun truck!

the second time run was a slower ET cause the time between runs was kinda short and she was a bit warm... ended up with the slowest ET of the nite, 9.847....

third run (dash for cash) i just took a wylde swing and put a 9.80 on the window... and trukkie went 9.707 at 71.717 MPH.... heh heh the 60 foot on that run was identical to my first run.... 2.143!

time for eliminations and i red bulbed first round ... bought back in and broke out in the second round.... i had such a fun nite.... now the bug is biting hard again and i cant WAIT to have my fairlane on the track..... ~insert GRRL sighs here~

i cant thank boyfrinn enough for offering his truck to me for the nite.... i had a great time having helmet-hair again!

oh... and by the way... i suppose i MUST mention.... the best ET boyfrinn has gotten in the truck is a 9.73... so... ahem.... i reckon he knows who is boss of HIS truck now....
hahahahhahahahahahahahaaaaa
teeehehheehehehheheheeeeeee


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Moneymaker
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posted 10-20-2002 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KK with helment hair.

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posted 10-20-2002 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright KK,RACING it's more fun then just about anything.
Sounds like Rob's truck and my car would run pretty close.I'd rather Rob drive it after seeing your times.

How do you get those lights the best I can average is .700 lights.

So please tell me how do I cut a better light.I dont think my reaction is what it once was.
I'm leaving on the 2nd yellow.I think next time out,I need to try and red light which I've never done.Just to see how close to the 1st yellow I can leave.

I'd love to go racing with you guys.It sounds like you have FUN and thats what it's all about.


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posted 10-20-2002 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
KK with helment hair.



I really wish that I had enough hair to actually get " Helmet-Hair "

JOHN

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Buff Daddy
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posted 10-21-2002 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buff Daddy   Click Here to Email Buff Daddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:

How do you get those lights the best I can average is .700 lights.

So please tell me how do I cut a better light.I dont think my reaction is what it once was.


Here's some advice from a bracket/Stock Eliminator racer.

First, you need to have a comfortable "spot" on the tree. Preferably on the bottom bulb. If you find that you go a consistant, say, .600 leaving off the flash on the bottom bulb, you have your "spot". Now, adjust the car, NOT yourself. Play with front tire pressure and staging RPM (if you have a tach). Also, try bumping in deeper, or just deep staging. The "Bump and a Chunk Method" we employ at times, I wouldn't recomend at first (will explain later). Try the air pressure and RPM first. A basic rule of thumb is one pound of air increase will decrease your Reaction Time .01. Vice versa is true also. One pound per .01 seconds ET. You will have to try different RPM launches to see how it effects your car. Rollout is also important. A smaller front tire size will cause a decreased rollout (distance the tire has to roll to break the beam). A smaller tire will make your RT's quicker.

This should give you, and everyone some good startup pointers. I'm no expert or veteran, but I did learn from some of my friends, who also happen to be the best in the buisness (Morehead, Fletch, and my sponsor, the Biondo Brothers).

"Speed On Brother--Hell Ain't half Full"

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Big D
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posted 10-21-2002 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big D   Click Here to Email Big D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You go grrl..

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Ken&Shell
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posted 10-21-2002 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grrl... I can only imagine how happy you are to have helmet hair.. What did you think of the track at Roxboro?

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Fastymz
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posted 10-21-2002 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike,thanks for the help.

SCOOP

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kwazykat
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posted 10-21-2002 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwazykat   Click Here to Email kwazykat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ken&Shell:
Grrl... I can only imagine how happy you are to have helmet hair.. What did you think of the track at Roxboro?

Shell


i had a GREAT time!! the track at roxy is getting better than it used to be (from what i have heard).... a neighbour races there and told us the conditions are getting lots of attention from the new owners who took over last year... the marketing manager gave us a ride down the track in her 90 second golf cart .... just so we could see the shut down and pit exits.... that was really cool, she just overheard us asking at the registration shack and piped up and said "hop on!! lets go!!" heh heh
so.... right away we felt at home.

the surface looked pretty rough to the eye past the 60' but i couldnt really tell anything about it being in that big-o-truck.... kid said it didnt seem bumpy to him but the shut-down was kinda jiggly....

and now for the IMPORTANT comments:
the french fries are NOTHING as good as at the farm!! kid said the cheeseburger was so-so and i suspect it was sorta okay just because he was danged hungry..... my BBQ was actually pretty good..... no track i have been to yet has been able to even dream about having food as good as farmington!!

oh.... yah.... buy backs for sportsman were only $15 and you could buy back first AND second round if ya wanted to!!! wow!! norman would make some money hand over fist if he took up THAT method!! heh heh


quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
....I need to try and red light which I've never done......Just to see how close to the 1st yellow I can leave.....

SCOOP.... my baby-bro always told me if i didnt red light now and then it meant i wasnt trying hard enough.... so... yah.... go for it.... dont be afraid of it.... especially in time runs.... puh!!

kk
anxious to do-it-again.... heh heh


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posted 10-21-2002 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike my RT ave seen to be .700
I can get a .590 or a .650 but those are only once in a while.
If I leave off idle I get to much wheel spin.I tried leaving at 2000rpm and that would slow down my 60's by .2-.4.Even leaving at 1000rpm mad eme run more slow.
Right now I just stage to where the last blub lights.I dont roll any more forward that seems to work the best.
I'd be happy to be even getting .600 RT's.
Next time out I'll try to raise the front tire pressure.I was at 36psi last time out.

KK,I'm going to try leaving sooner until I get A red.
SCOOP

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posted 10-21-2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron

You'll blow those tires up (as in ker-POW) before you'll cut .50's.... drastic steps are needed ,man... get that puppy to react, lose the slushbox (my standard reply to any racing tech question ) or something.Leaving on the second amber should make for a wicked redlight.

KK, you lucky bugger, all racing is over for the year up here.

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posted 10-22-2002 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TomP,I leave on the 2nd yellow now.
So give me some advice I can use.
Other then your answer to EVERYTHING get ride of the slush box.

SCOOP

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posted 10-22-2002 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are so right,, The farm's food is the best. And Buybacks first and second.. WOW. How was the competition? Tough as the farm? How did Kid do?

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kid vishus
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posted 10-22-2002 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken&Shell:
How did Kid do?

Shell


I never did "find the tree". My lights were all over the place, mostly slow. I did manage to go 3 rounds, but only due to the first 2 guys redlighting REAL badly. 3rd round, my bad lights caught up with me. Plus, I hurt the trans in my car, so that may have been a contributing factor in the inconsistant lights.

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posted 10-22-2002 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KK, Shell, any truth to this rumor?

Has the legendary Farmington Dragway in Winston-Salem, NC., been sold? The word floating around the pits is that the facility has been purchased by four real estate developers. We'll provide more details as they become available.


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posted 10-22-2002 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That rumor was really active down here about a month and a half ago, but since has died down and no one even discuses it anymore. The last we had heard, and it was a while ago, no money had changed hands, and even if it did, it was still going to be used as a racetrack. But then again, all rumors change alot, and once and awhile have some basis in fact.

I hope it hasnt been sold. I havent gotten a chance to run an entire season there and see how I compare to the self proclaimed "best bracket racers in the country."

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posted 10-23-2002 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I will discuss it on here but refuse to on DRR. Officially the name has been changed to Farmington Motorsport Park so I believe that confirms that it has indeed been sold. That is imprinted on even the trophy's. (I know cause two are sitting no my mantle. )

Norman Sr is still running operations at the track and will for the next several years. He also told me that the new owners are making plans to resurface the track which should dispel any rumours of it becoming a housing development which was the stupidest of all rumors since there's tons of farmland in that area at much cheaper price per acre. They also intend to put another track (not dragstrip) on the property. I have not heard what it will be.

That is what I heard from Norman Sr.

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posted 10-23-2002 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Self proclaimed "best bracket racers"??

Good one kid. Isnt that what is proclaimed at every track?? I am looking forward to running another full season there next year too..

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posted 10-23-2002 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's great news Shell.
Thanks for sharing that with us.

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posted 10-23-2002 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ken&Shell:
Self proclaimed "best bracket racers"??

Good one kid. Isnt that what is proclaimed at every track??
Shell


LOL,

Here's what our home track says,
http://www.infineonraceway.com/pages/racewaynews/teamchampionship.html
5 years in a row, so I believe them.

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posted 10-23-2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buff Daddy   Click Here to Email Buff Daddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Mike my RT ave seen to be .700
I can get a .590 or a .650 but those are only once in a while.
If I leave off idle I get to much wheel spin.I tried leaving at 2000rpm and that would slow down my 60's by .2-.4.Even leaving at 1000rpm mad eme run more slow.
Right now I just stage to where the last blub lights.I dont roll any more forward that seems to work the best.
I'd be happy to be even getting .600 RT's.
Next time out I'll try to raise the front tire pressure.I was at 36psi last time out.

KK,I'm going to try leaving sooner until I get A red.
SCOOP


Scoop, Here's what I do in my 13 second LT-1 Camaro.

Front tires around 25 pounds, depending on where I'm at. I'll add a few pounds for a loose tree, drop a few on a tight one. 25 pounds in the rear (traction). 1000 RPM launch (can;t go much higher than that, tires will spin while sitting in the beams). Leave on the bottom bulb, usually a .520 or so. Thats' when I bracket race. Now, when I want to go fast, that is a different story...

If you can post or e-mail some information, I may be able to better help you. I need--

-On your normal run, what you usually do, stage RPM, front and rear tire pressure.

and

-when you make changes in the air pressure and RPM.

Send these, and also your incremental times from your timeslip (RT, 60, 330, 660 ET and MPH, 1000 and 1320 ET and MPH). By looking at all the numbers, and info, I may be able to better help.

Mike

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Mike has far as tire pressure.I have only been to the track twice.One time I got about 4-5 runs in the 1/8th mile.ANd the other time I got 13 runs in on a 1/4 mile track.The ist time I ran 28 front and 25 rear.And the 2nd track I had 35 front and 34 rear.I got better tracktion witht he 34 rear,but I had also hadded some lift bars and some weight ove the passenger tire in the trunk.

My RT were in the .800 and .700's at the 1/8mile track.
And at the 1/4 mile track here are some of my times.

About 6 six runs all like these three,leaving at idle,shifting at 4800.
RT.710
2.348
6.377
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12.629
15[email protected]

RT.727
2.336
6.361
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12.618
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RT.730
2.264
6.265
[email protected]
12.522
[email protected]

This run I left at 1800 rpm,shift at 4800rpm.

RT.788
2.365
6.391
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12.639
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These two runs I left at 2200rpm and 2000 rpm,same shift points.

Leave at 2200rpm
RT.592
2.496
6.563
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12.871
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leave at 2000 rpm
RT.682
2.461
6.471
[email protected]
12.709
[email protected]

I hope some these help.

SCOOP

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quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
And at the 1/4 mile track here are some of my times.

About 6 six runs all like these three,leaving at idle,shifting at 4800.
RT.710
2.348
6.377
[email protected]
12.629
[email protected]

RT.727
2.336
6.361
[email protected]
12.618
[email protected]

RT.730
2.264
6.265
[email protected]
12.522
[email protected]


Scoop, it appears you have your "spot" on the tree, based on those three RT's. Now you have to adjust the car. Two tenths may be a bit much. Pump up the front tires to whatever you feel comfortable with. Usual max is 44psi or so, try 36-40. Go as high on the converter as you can until you spin, and then lower the rear tires to where you can hook. Spinning will help kill RT as well as ET. On the third run, you picked up .07 in 60', did it hook better. Also, you can try bumping in (in SMALL bumps) deeper. One bump should be worth about .02, depending on the car. You could also just deep stage all together, and leave the air pressure and RPM the same as in the above three runs. That should be worth a good tenth to tenth and a half in lowering your RT. A word of caution about deep staging with the AutoStart system, though--Deep stage at your own risk. Make sure you get up there and go deep before your opponent stages, or you will get caught by the tree while still moving in and be rather late.

Something else to be considered, and has nothing to do with the car--Human Reaction (HR). The time it takes a person to react to seeing something. Average HR is around .22 seconds. Some of the real good racers are .14 to .16. I'm a .17. Some people are just naturally quick, this helps significantly. It's why I can shallow stage my 17 second Sunbird and leave off the bottom bulb. 20" tires help that, too. You could look into a one-size smaller tire for the front of your car, as in height.

All in all, the more seat time you get and things you try, you will get better. Any Bracket or Class Racer (myself included as both) will tell you There is no substitute for seat time. I go out to as many bracket races and Friday and Wed nite Test and Tunes as I can. There, you can try different things and see what does or does not work. My best advice is to do that, go out on a Friday night once or twice, and let me know how things go from there

Ain't Racing Fun?

Mike
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Street ET 1302, Quaker City Raceway, Salem OH
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