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Topic: Gears,yes I'm asking for more advice.
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-19-2002 03:21 PM
   
After I get adjustable front shocks and some better rear tires.I think gears should be the next step.
I'm going through the traps now at about 4400rpm.How more gear could I use and not go over 5000rpm?
I shift at 4600rpm to 5000rpm it dose not seem to change my ET's.Below 4600rpm my times start to fall off alittle.SO I'd like to keep the car closer to that range.
SCOOP
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14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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mustang68mustangs
Gearhead Posts: 282
From: pittsburgh,pa.usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 10-19-2002 03:32 PM
Scoop,You have 3:40 gears now.Richmond makes a 3:80 which should get you closer.There is a formula for this somewhere I'm sure.I will look around a little for it and get back.
Bob
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Just Strokin
Gearhead Posts: 754
From: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-19-2002 03:36 PM
ScoopHere is a link to multiple different calculators. http://smokemup.com/auto_math/hp_mph_eight_mi.php
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 10-19-2002 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Just Strokin:
ScoopHere is a link to multiple different calculators. http://smokemup.com/auto_math/hp_mph_eight_mi.php
COOL site thanks. Ben thnaks, I was thinking the 3.80's would work to. But are the 3.80's a waste with my old all stock motor???
Or will they help? SCOOP ------------------
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Ken
Gearhead Posts: 3859
From: Prospect, Ct. M&M Member No. 31 MCA Member 49299
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-19-2002 06:04 PM
Scoop "buddy"  , you know where the 3:40's are going when you change them don't you ?? I'll even pay the shipping  .------------------
Conciousness - that annoying time between naps. Ken
1965 Springtime Yellow Coupe - 302GT40-4spd
Edlebrock RPM Air Gap - 670cfm Holley Street Avenger
and much, MUCH MORE !!!
My 1965 (aka RUMBLE BEE) Photo Page
1995 5.0 Laser Red - 5spd - Coupe [This message has been edited by Ken (edited 10-19-2002).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 10-19-2002 07:06 PM
Get some cheap (as in used) wheels and the shortest 14 or 15 inch tires available. That way you can install them at the track for racing only with a greater rear ratio yet maintain your fuel economy on the street. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-19-2002 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Get some cheap (as in used) wheels and the shortest 14 or 15 inch tires available. That way you can install them at the track for racing only with a greater rear ratio yet maintain your fuel economy on the street.
Thanks Alex,my tires now are 24.5"tall at max.Are there tires shorter then that?
I'm looking right now for just that set up your talking about.I've been trying to find anything about 25"or shorter,Used with wheels. SCOOP ------------------
2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1210
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-20-2002 02:38 AM
Scoop, for short tires, look for some 185 60R14`s.They are quite common for the smaller "sporty" :; imports, about 22"`s tall. Years ago when I had a automatic in my 302 Fairmont, I tried a pair of these tires on the back, brought up the rpm`s by about 300 over the 26" tires I had been using. I don`t recall the ET improvement, but it was noticable. The tires look a bit silly, & traction certainly didn`t improve, but was still fine for mid 14 sec. ET`s. You could likely find a used pair pretty cheap, plus they don`t require a special wheel.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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Dusty Kiser
Gearhead Posts: 126
From: Bethel,Oh USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-20-2002 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
After I get adjustable front shocks and some better rear tires.I think gears should be the next step.
I'm going through the traps now at about 4400rpm.How more gear could I use and not go over 5000rpm?
I shift at 4600rpm to 5000rpm it dose not seem to change my ET's.Below 4600rpm my times start to fall off alittle.SO I'd like to keep the car closer to that range.
SCOOP
Scoop Buddy I think it's time you go into the motor. That thing is sick. It isn't making any torque or power and windsors are normally torque monsters. My bone stk 3700 pound 69 Tourino ran 14.12 @ 96 mph with 3.91 posi and was only slightly slower at 14.26 @ 96.4 mph with a 3.56 open rear! Oh, and it pulled hard to 6000rpm. My son-in-laws 69 Mach with worn out windsor blowing smoke all the way down the track was running 14.30's to 14.50's @ 92 to 93 mph. I ran G60x15 polyglass and he was running M50x14 Kellys. Obviously both our engines were making much more torque and horsepower than yours. As I suggested to you before, get tight with a good mechanic and trade work or whatever you can work out to get your stuff straightened out. You'll be time and money ahead. It'll pay off in other ways too. You're probably wasting fuel with an inefficient engine, and if you can learn from it, be able to better maintain your stuff. I was , what I consider, lucky. My Dad was an incredible machinist and a darn good mechanic. He kept my brother and I busy at home learning skills as we assisted him with home maintenance and repairing cars and machinery. By the time I was ten years old I was helping assemble engines, welding, and more. You can't buy that kind of education. Find a mentor, it'll pay off in ways you can't even imagine!
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-20-2002 02:08 PM
Dusty Kiser,thanks for the advice and I know your 100% right.
I'm not there yet to have any motor work done.I dont want to tear into the motor until I have enough money to get it done.Every time I get some money saved LIFE happens.I've watched way to many people tear the old motor out and get started on it.Run out of money,and never get back to it.Or it takes then YEARS and years before they get to it again.Instead of that I'd rather try and get the as much money I as I can 1st.Then start the job,I dont mind if it takes some time,as along as I keep going in the right direction.I'm really not trying to bug you guys with all of my questions.I know my car is no racer,but it's a kick in the pants to me.And if it has to be a 14.9 car for some time then thats ok too.I'd like to get my car as fast as I can with what I have.Then when the money is there I'll take the next step. Thanks for the help TO ALL.
If this is not the FORUM for me please just say so.I'm not one who is easy to offended. SCOOP ------------------
2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Ken
Gearhead Posts: 3859
From: Prospect, Ct. M&M Member No. 31 MCA Member 49299
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-20-2002 05:48 PM
Remember about those 3:40's buddy !!!------------------
Conciousness - that annoying time between naps. Ken
1965 Springtime Yellow Coupe - 302GT40-4spd
Edlebrock RPM Air Gap - 670cfm Holley Street Avenger
and much, MUCH MORE !!!
My 1965 (aka RUMBLE BEE) Photo Page
1995 5.0 Laser Red - 5spd - Coupe
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 4538
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-20-2002 06:04 PM
Considering you are racing at 4000+ ft elavation without a correction factor, your ET isnt that far off of what should be considered normal. So dont feel too bad about it. Elavation kills ET.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 10-20-2002 06:13 PM
There are tires 21 and 22 inches in diameter Scoop.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-20-2002 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Ken:
Remember about those 3:40's buddy !!!
Ken your 1st on the list,but you may be waiting for some time. SCOOP
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2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 10-20-2002 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by kid vishus:
Considering you are racing at 4000+ ft elavation without a correction factor, your ET isnt that far off of what should be considered normal. So dont feel too bad about it. Elavation kills ET.
Rob thats the nicest thing you've ever said.
I really dont feel to bad about the times.I do wish they were better.I know in time I'll get there. I just dont want you guys to think I'm wasting your time in here. SCOOP ------------------
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 10-20-2002 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
There are tires 21 and 22 inches in diameter Scoop.
Thanks I'll keep my eyes out for some.Do you think if I found a sticky tire I could get away with one 8" wide tire?
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67coupe
Gearhead Posts: 384
From: dallas NC usa
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-20-2002 11:01 PM
het scoop ur not wasting anyones time and they r right the elevation is killing u ur car aint that bad look at the bright side mine sits more than it runs. Hey and im sure u not the slowest guy in here heck there are still 6cyl guys around no offense to u guys eithor ------------------
Josh
67 coupe with 351c
8.41 in the 1/8
1.90 60'
at 82.03 mph
94 Explorer
30 model A currently rustbucket
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 2062
From: Fort Madison, Iowa USA - United We Stand
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 10-20-2002 11:13 PM
You're not wasting my time Ron. I like reading your posts. When I get my brick back on the road, maybe I'll come on by your neck of the woods and we'll just see who is the slowest. Betcha it would be loads of fun.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 10-20-2002 11:28 PM
Eight inches is plenty Scoop. I do very well with nine. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 10-20-2002).]
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mustangboy
Gearhead Posts: 652
From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-21-2002 08:57 AM
Scoop what are your plans for the motor when cash allows you to build it?I was just curious because if you change to gears now that will allow you to rev around 5000 through the traps will this work with your new combo later?I know it sucks waiting to save up the cash to build a motor(I've been waiting for a few years!)as "life happens" as you put it.Just hate to see you buy stuff now that won't be any good later.If you could put a 9 inch in your car,there are lots of neat factory gear ratios that you can get from the wreckers and save a lot of cash.Buy the whole pot and just swap it in(plus the 9 inch is a good upgrade for later).A lot of old early to mid 60s trucks had 3.89 gears for example.I'm with Dusty Kiser on this one though get into that engine as soon as you can ------------------
1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 1963Falcon waiting for a rebirth. [This message has been edited by mustangboy (edited 10-21-2002).]
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 10-21-2002 04:56 PM
Mustangboy,I want to do just do a basic short block rebuild going with about 10.5 compression pistons.And then go with RPM heads.
I would only do the gears if a good deal came along.
I always keep my eyes open for good deal on a 9" rear.
I too agree with Dusty and in know way was I saying he was wrong. Alex,thanks would you think 8" is as small as I could get away with? Joe,sound like good time for sure.
I know of few places we could test your truck at. Josh,thanks I keep going in the right direction at least. SCOOP ------------------
2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 10-21-2002 04:58 PM
Swhoosh.........................Right over your head Scoop.
LOL
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 10-21-2002 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Swhoosh.........................Right over your head Scoop.
LOL
I knew what you were SAYING.
I was just going to let it go. SCOOP ------------------
2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 10-21-2002 05:49 PM
LOL ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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