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70coupe Gearhead Posts: 357 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Aug 2000	posted 09-17-2002 11:28 AM I was talking to a chasis shop down the road from my place and filled him in on my slick spinning problem. He suggested removing the rubber snubber (he said thats for street) and installing an aluminum biscuit preloaded right against the spring. What do you guys think? ------------------ 351c 4v clsd heads 60'1.619 1/8 [email protected] 1/4 [email protected] IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-17-2002 12:05 PM That is a hard rubber bushing. Have you ever trimmed them? Have you ever set the pre-load and fooled with the bar adjustments? Automatics do not like to have slapper bars pre-loaded hard. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 09-17-2002 12:44 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: That is a hard rubber bushing. Have you ever trimmed them? Have you ever set the pre-load and fooled with the bar adjustments? Automatics do not like to have slapper bars pre-loaded hard. Sorry to jump in here,but Alex dose that aply to my lift bars too.I have then all the thight right against the spring eye.They seem to work best there. SCOOP ------------------ 2.634 60's [email protected] 1/8 mile 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-17-2002 01:04 PM Nope, different principal and geometry Scoop. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." IP: Logged
Mike_R Gearhead Posts: 151 From: Indianapolis, IN 46237 Registered: Feb 2001	posted 09-17-2002 01:07 PM When my car had the slapper bars, I had to have between about 1/2" of space between the snubber and the spring. When I tried closing the gap to zero it spun like crazy. It seemed to lift the body rather than plant the tires. IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 11429 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 09-17-2002 05:45 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Nope, different principal and geometry Scoop. Thanks Alex, SCOOP ------------------ 2.634 60's [email protected] 1/8 mile 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-18-2002 08:32 AM quote: Originally posted by Mike_R: When my car had the slapper bars, I had to have between about 1/2" of space between the snubber and the spring. When I tried closing the gap to zero it spun like crazy. It seemed to lift the body rather than plant the tires. Mike, Was that with your big-blocked, 4-speeded, Torino? It seems to me that if the body was lifting, then there should of been more pressure on the axle, right? Ryan IP: Logged
Mike_R Gearhead Posts: 151 From: Indianapolis, IN 46237 Registered: Feb 2001	posted 09-18-2002 01:35 PM Hey Ryan, Yeah it's the Torino I'm talking about. I'm not much of an expert on suspension, but I did experiment with the traction bar gap quite a bit when had them. I tried it (closed gap) on my car on two different occasions a few years apart, just to make sure of whether or not it would work for me. Both times it acted the same way. I can't really explain the reasons why, but I can tell you what it felt like. It felt like the rear of the car was lifting more than usual immediately and the tires would just break loose upon acceleration. It's almost like the traction bar had too much leverage with no gap. I could be way off base, but my guesstimation is you probably do want to have the body and the rearend go in seperate directions, but given a choice, I'd rather have the rearend go down as apposed to body go up. With a gap the rearend seemed to go down more and with no gap the body seemed to go up more. It probably has to do with leverage and timing. I'm sure this varies greatly from one car to another. Maybe somebody else would know why it didn't work better than me. IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 4538 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-18-2002 01:42 PM I always thought on "slapper bars", they planted the tire by shocking it when the bar contacted the leaf spring. And the further the distance before contact, the harder the shock. Was I way wrong? I always ran my slappers on my 70 about 1/2" away from the spring. IP: Logged
jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 1677 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002	posted 09-18-2002 03:53 PM do those Aluminum biscuits go good with southern muscidine jelly? I used to run about 2 inches space in my slapper bars and I did replace the rubber with a grade 8 bolt, but the bolt landed on the front spring eye and it made a loud noise when it hit. I couldn't tell any difference between those and the rubber so i put the rubber back on. Jerry IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-18-2002 04:36 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: ...Automatics do not like to have slapper bars pre-loaded hard. Alex, were you hinting that stick-cars DO LIKE to have slapper bars pre-loaded hard? Although not true slapper bars, but for conversations' sake, I believe SSM and Cal-Tracs recommend that their bars be cinched up tight with some pre-load (no air gap); However, I'm not recalling if they have different amounts of adjustment recommendations for Autos vs. sticks... Come on, Captain Alex - tell us young'ns what YOU'D recommend for an air gap or amount of pre-load for our old leaf spring cars with: 1) slapper bars: Auto vs. Stick 2) SSM bars: Auto vs. Stick 3) Cal-Trac bars: Auto vs. Stick 4) Slide-a-Links: Auto vs. Stick Ryan IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-18-2002 05:09 PM SSM??? No way except for a nostalgia look. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-18-2002 05:58 PM OK -- Forget the SSM bars..... Let's hear about cheapo slappers, Slide-a-Links or Cal-Tracs and the different adjustments necessary for Autos vs. Stick cars? IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-18-2002 06:01 PM Slapper bars need about 1/2 inch gap on both sides with a stick. 3/4 on the left and 1 inch on the right for automatics. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-19-2002 08:43 AM Thanks, El Capitan Alex!!! IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-19-2002 09:34 AM Cal Tracs right after I go and hunt for some puleys. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-19-2002 12:32 PM ...... Standing by, Sir!! IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-20-2002 12:48 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Cal Tracs right after I go and hunt for some puleys. That must be one hellva pile of pulleys! -- Patiently standing by yet, Sir!! IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-20-2002 03:44 PM Right after we get through with........ ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-20-2002 08:01 PM ....Am I in the midst of a M&M "Burn-Down" with Capt. Alex? -- How long will he wait before he pulls into the Forum 'Staging Eyes'? -- How long before he'll finally sprinkle a few "tid-bits of verbal assistance" down onto us 'undeserving underlings' who are so very hungry & crave for his "table scrapings of national record-holding FoMoCo racing knowledge"? I...don't know...how...much... ..longer...I...can...hold....out...Aghhh. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-22-2002 10:56 PM Cal-Tracks with a stick. Center hole and prox. 1/8 pre-load as a very good starting point. Will work in 90%. IN auto, bottom hole with no pre-load. Check side clearance between bracket and bushings in all installations. I have found most problems attributed to bracket binding. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" IP: Logged
steve'66 Gearhead Posts: 6522 From: Sonoma,CA,USA Registered: Mar 2000	posted 09-22-2002 11:03 PM And Alex lights the bottom bulbs and launches! SteveW IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-22-2002 11:08 PM That my friend, I will be doing this Thursday with a vengence that I have not had all year. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-23-2002 08:54 AM SteveW, Not only did he (Alex) get me off the line by clicking a .501 light, he and his Bad A** '65 smoked me at the big end BIG TIME!!! Alex, I bow before you O' Great Hole Shot King! Seriously though - Thank you once again Sir for sharing your race-proven experience and knowledge! I wish for you this Thursday - Killer lights, lightning reflexes, and that the only breakage occurs in the OTHER lane! Ryan IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-23-2002 09:28 AM quote: Originally posted by steve'66: And Alex lights the bottom bulbs and launches! SteveW Whoa Now!! What are you saying, SteveW ???? -- Are you saying that Alex RED-LIGHTED?! (bottom bulb) Which resulted in him "unloading pre-maturely" with trigger finger launch?!? [This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 09-23-2002).] IP: Logged
n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1547 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001	posted 09-23-2002 10:07 AM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Cal-Tracks with a stick. Center hole and prox. 1/8 pre-load as a very good starting point. Will work in 90%. MUSTANG Cal-Tracs only have two holes to choose from... What have you been working on, Alex? ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220 IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 09-23-2002 10:39 AM Looking at too many ladder bar set ups and Cal-Track kits still in the box. LOL Lower hole for autos and upper for sticks. PS, there is another hole at the top too you know Mike! ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 Professional Manwhore The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" IP: Logged
clevelandstyle Gearhead Posts: 638 From: Connersville, IN Registered: Jul 2001	posted 09-23-2002 11:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Ryan Wilke: I wish for you this...............and that the only breakage occurs in the OTHER lane! Ryan Unless you are breaking records. ------------------ Ben Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1501 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 09-24-2002 07:48 AM LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Good one, Ben! I'd suppose Alex wouldn't mind THAT kinda breakage!!! IP: Logged

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