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Topic: Header recommendations
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1291
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-16-2002 11:16 AM
   
Hey Fellas,Well, the headers i've got will not fit the Windsor JR heads due to the bad spark plug hole location. I was doing some research and called Hedman Headers and asked if they're 88300 headers (1 5/8" primary / 3" collectors long tubes) would fit my heads and tech support said no. Can any of you guys confirm if they'll fit or not? How about the Hooker Comps (or Super Comps even?) I'm really trying to get out of spending the extra $200 on the Super Comps, but don't wanna waste $109 if the Hedmans don't fit. Thanks in advance. Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-16-2002 12:26 PM
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3467
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 09-16-2002 09:09 PM
I've got Super Comps on my motor, not Windsor Jr heads, but Trick Flows. I can get to all 8 spark plugs easily with a swivel and an extension or two, all 16 flange bolts are easily accessable with just a combination wrench, and all 8 plug wire boots have about a mile of clearance  Your're absolutely right... they don't exactally give those things away, but especially in this case, I do belive that you get what you pay for. I'd recommend Super Comps to anyone 
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wvcat
Gearhead Posts: 211
From: New Cumberland,WV
Registered: May 2001
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posted 09-16-2002 10:08 PM
On my 70 with a 351w with sr heads and comp headers it takes about 2 hrs to change plugs plus a trip to the parts store for the extra plug to replace the one you broke because a normal socket doesn't fit. I use a ground down to too thin motorcycle type plug socket and it is still hard to get on there/
John
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11429
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-17-2002 01:58 AM
Erik from all that I've read,and be told.The super comps are worth some power and are better built then the hedmans.I have the headman shorty headers they fit ok needed alittle work the flanges.And yes they were cheap.If I was to do it over or get another motor I'd spring for the Hooker super comps.SCOOP ------------------
2.634 60's
[email protected] 1/8 mile 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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goldenbob
Journeyman Posts: 49
From: medford, or., United States
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 09-18-2002 02:36 AM
I've got the supercomps and a set of windsor jr. heads by world products. I have to remove the headers to change the accell "shorty" type plugs, and had to massage the headers a bit (torch and hammer) to get 135 deg. angle spark plug boots to fit without burning them. All said, they work great, but reduce my ground clearance by a couple of inches...------------------
67 coupe (my first car in '78)
10:1 302, 4spd, 9" (lsd)posi
windsor jr heads*
*(tweaked by Lindvig mach.)
crane rollers
performer rpm (match ported)
holley 750 (#4160)
hooker super comp.
full msd
drag radials (oops, ran out of $$$)
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1291
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-18-2002 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by goldenbob:
I've got the supercomps and a set of windsor jr. heads by world products. I have to remove the headers to change the accell "shorty" type plugs, and had to massage the headers a bit (torch and hammer) to get 135 deg. angle spark plug boots to fit without burning them. All said, they work great, but reduce my ground clearance by a couple of inches...
Hey Bob, Any luck with the 90 deg. angle boots? Looks like any type of long tube header isn't going to fit like a glove. Also, when "massaging" the header tubes with a torch and ball-peen hammer, is there any chance of cracking the steel tubes? Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-18-2002 11:20 AM
There is always a chance, but if you are careful and the tube is hot enough it will be fine. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
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Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1291
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-18-2002 11:26 AM
gonna make it a nice cherry red color before i hammer anything  Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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Fordwiser
Gearhead Posts: 217
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 09-18-2002 05:35 PM
It may be more controlable to use a second hammer to hit the ballpeen with, unless you are really good free hand! :-)
Roger
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goldenbob
Journeyman Posts: 49
From: medford, or., United States
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 09-19-2002 09:09 PM
90 degree boots work on the passenger side just fine...if you massaged the driverside enough they would work there too if the plug wires were routed from the underside of the header. I had no problems with cracking the header, and I did use a fat bolt with a ground tip (slightly rounded) to hit with the hammer. It's not "rocket science" but I did bolt the header up first (pre messaging) to see where they needed to be clearanced.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-19-2002 10:47 PM
Erik,How you coming with the rear end parts? You need me this w/e or next? SteveW
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 4812
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 09-20-2002 01:08 AM
the Hedman ones for a 351W swap in a 65-66 clear the Windsor heads plugs, i've used them before. The hang a bit lower and the clutch linkage needed to be lowered a bit on a 289-302. The only Hooker ones i think that would clear those plugs are also for the 351W swap, i doubt they'd fit the 302 without hitting something inboard (bellhousing maybe?) and they'd hang too low.
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1291
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-20-2002 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by steve'66:
Erik,How you coming with the rear end parts? You need me this w/e or next? SteveW
Hey Steve, How about next weekend? The parts are on order from West Coast Differentials in Sacramento. Plus I wouldn't want to ruin any of your plans by asking last minute . When I get the parts, I'll take another pic and send it over to ya. Thanks again. Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-20-2002 02:40 PM
OK Erik,Give me a call next week.
SteveW
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