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rockafellz
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From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 09-16-2002 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Fellas,

Well, the headers i've got will not fit the Windsor JR heads due to the bad spark plug hole location.

I was doing some research and called Hedman Headers and asked if they're 88300 headers (1 5/8" primary / 3" collectors long tubes) would fit my heads and tech support said no. Can any of you guys confirm if they'll fit or not? How about the Hooker Comps (or Super Comps even?)

I'm really trying to get out of spending the extra $200 on the Super Comps, but don't wanna waste $109 if the Hedmans don't fit.

Thanks in advance.

Erik

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-16-2002 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Alex Denysenko
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V8 Thumper
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posted 09-16-2002 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got Super Comps on my motor, not Windsor Jr heads, but Trick Flows. I can get to all 8 spark plugs easily with a swivel and an extension or two, all 16 flange bolts are easily accessable with just a combination wrench, and all 8 plug wire boots have about a mile of clearance

Your're absolutely right... they don't exactally give those things away, but especially in this case, I do belive that you get what you pay for. I'd recommend Super Comps to anyone

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wvcat
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From: New Cumberland,WV
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posted 09-16-2002 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wvcat   Click Here to Email wvcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On my 70 with a 351w with sr heads and comp headers it takes about 2 hrs to change plugs plus a trip to the parts store for the extra plug to replace the one you broke because a normal socket doesn't fit. I use a ground down to too thin motorcycle type plug socket and it is still hard to get on there/
John
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Fastymz
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posted 09-17-2002 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erik from all that I've read,and be told.The super comps are worth some power and are better built then the hedmans.I have the headman shorty headers they fit ok needed alittle work the flanges.And yes they were cheap.If I was to do it over or get another motor I'd spring for the Hooker super comps.

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goldenbob
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From: medford, or., United States
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posted 09-18-2002 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldenbob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got the supercomps and a set of windsor jr. heads by world products. I have to remove the headers to change the accell "shorty" type plugs, and had to massage the headers a bit (torch and hammer) to get 135 deg. angle spark plug boots to fit without burning them. All said, they work great, but reduce my ground clearance by a couple of inches...

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67 coupe (my first car in '78)
10:1 302, 4spd, 9" (lsd)posi
windsor jr heads*
*(tweaked by Lindvig mach.)
crane rollers
performer rpm (match ported)
holley 750 (#4160)
hooker super comp.
full msd
drag radials (oops, ran out of $$$)

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rockafellz
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From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
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posted 09-18-2002 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by goldenbob:
I've got the supercomps and a set of windsor jr. heads by world products. I have to remove the headers to change the accell "shorty" type plugs, and had to massage the headers a bit (torch and hammer) to get 135 deg. angle spark plug boots to fit without burning them. All said, they work great, but reduce my ground clearance by a couple of inches...


Hey Bob,

Any luck with the 90 deg. angle boots? Looks like any type of long tube header isn't going to fit like a glove.

Also, when "massaging" the header tubes with a torch and ball-peen hammer, is there any chance of cracking the steel tubes?

Erik

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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 09-18-2002 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is always a chance, but if you are careful and the tube is hot enough it will be fine.

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Alex Denysenko
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rockafellz
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posted 09-18-2002 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gonna make it a nice cherry red color before i hammer anything

Erik

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Fordwiser
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From: Metamora, Illinois
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posted 09-18-2002 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fordwiser   Click Here to Email Fordwiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It may be more controlable to use a second hammer to hit the ballpeen with, unless you are really good free hand! :-)
Roger

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goldenbob
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From: medford, or., United States
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posted 09-19-2002 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goldenbob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
90 degree boots work on the passenger side just fine...if you massaged the driverside enough they would work there too if the plug wires were routed from the underside of the header. I had no problems with cracking the header, and I did use a fat bolt with a ground tip (slightly rounded) to hit with the hammer. It's not "rocket science" but I did bolt the header up first (pre messaging) to see where they needed to be clearanced.

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steve'66
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posted 09-19-2002 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erik,

How you coming with the rear end parts? You need me this w/e or next?

SteveW

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TomP
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From: Delta BC Canada
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posted 09-20-2002 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the Hedman ones for a 351W swap in a 65-66 clear the Windsor heads plugs, i've used them before. The hang a bit lower and the clutch linkage needed to be lowered a bit on a 289-302. The only Hooker ones i think that would clear those plugs are also for the 351W swap, i doubt they'd fit the 302 without hitting something inboard (bellhousing maybe?) and they'd hang too low.

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rockafellz
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posted 09-20-2002 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Erik,

How you coming with the rear end parts? You need me this w/e or next?

SteveW


Hey Steve,

How about next weekend? The parts are on order from West Coast Differentials in Sacramento. Plus I wouldn't want to ruin any of your plans by asking last minute .

When I get the parts, I'll take another pic and send it over to ya.

Thanks again.

Erik

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steve'66
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posted 09-20-2002 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Erik,

Give me a call next week.


SteveW

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