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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv MEM#1240
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posted 05-27-2002 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I ask alot of questions.And I will until you guys kick me off the site.

Will it hurt if I move my cooler to behind the front valance area.It's making my car run alittle hotter.Because now it's blocking about the 1/3 of the rad.I was going to lower to were it would be just below or at the end of the rad.Kinda angled behind the valance.Will it get enough air from under the car,or should put some small holes in the valance to get air over it?
I dont want to get a new valance right now.And I dont mind cutting the one I have it's cheap made repo part,that had been beat to heck.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-27-2002 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I more thing,
What temp thermostat,do you guys run.I run now a Mr.Gasket 180,would going to a 160 help stay more cool?
Dose it matter what brand thermostat is?

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steve'66
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posted 05-27-2002 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

Behind the valance will work, I cut a hole out in the radiator support in front of where your battery is and mounted ours like a second radiator. I'd put it anywhere but in front of the radiator and if it runs hot, then put a small electric fan on it.

Also, run a 160 stat and Robertshaw is a good brand. Good luck,

SteveW

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Fastymz
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posted 05-28-2002 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Steve,I did think about in front of the battery.I'll look for the best spot that gets air flow over it.
And I'll install a 160 thermastat and let you know if it helped.

SCOOP

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Fastymz
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posted 05-29-2002 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I moved the trans cooler.I put it to the lower rad,suport and now it only blocks about 1.5"wide and 6" tall of the lower battery side of the rad.I put it so it's on side now .I think that will be better then having the connection on the top.I also put in a 160 stat.I only had time to idle it put it looks alot better.It only got up 165 and it was like 80 out today.The trans took 1.5 qts it most have been low already.
I get up 1st thing and drive it for awhile pretty hard and let you all know what happens.I hope the cooler gets enough air to cool the trans.

SCOOP

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Fastymz
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posted 05-30-2002 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Took my car out yesterday for about 2hours.The temp out side was 90+,alot of stop and go driving and alot traffic.It got up 195,with the trans cooler moved and a 160 stat in it.
I noticed the when it get to 180+ it stays at the temp even if I get some open raod.I would it should cool off alittle?
Also I noticed that if I have a open space and get on pretty hard it cools down alittle?
Dose that seem right,could my water pump need to be replaced,maybe a flow issue?

Thanks For the help.

SCOOP

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Fastymz
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posted 05-31-2002 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any help on this,would be great.

Thanks Scoop

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jkilroy
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posted 05-31-2002 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you could give me a run down on your cooling setup that would help. Being a big-block guy I consider myself somewhat of a expert at cooling problems. Stuff like size of radiator, type of fan, shroud, coolant mix, etc.

Util I get that info here are a few things to check...

Have you checked to make sure the spring is still in your lower hose? (Thats the correct one right guys?) If not your hose will collapse due to suction.

Is the big rubber gasket that goes between the radiator support and your hood still there? Those are important, anything you can do to force air through the radiator is good. Put high temp foam strips around the radiator to clog any gaps.

The rubber strip that runs along the back edge of the hood, loose it if it is still there. That helps get air out from under the hood. I assume, like many on this board, that your Mustang is a fair weather ride mostly.

Is that BIG A$$ SCOOP sealed to the carb in any manner or open to the engine compartment? (BTW, I dig big scoops) I have a bud with a brand-x big block car that put on a large scoop. The air flow through the scoop into the compartment actually worked to stall airflow through his radiator and his car overheated. But when he made a carb pan and sealed the opening the problem totally went away.

It looks like you live in a warm climate, and if so I would suggest dumping the anti-freeze totally, flushing your system a LOT, and replacing it with all distilled water and a bottle of Prestone cooling system lube.

Looking into your radiator, do the cores look clean and open or filled with flaky corrision? Might be time to get the radiator professionaly cleaned out.

That looks like an electric fan, if thats correct whats the brand and model number? Does it have a built-in shroud? How do you have it wired up? Comes on with the starter or with a thermostat?

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Fastymz
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posted 05-31-2002 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jay,and big blocks are very cool.

I'll start with the scoop,it's not really sealed to the carb,but the air cleaner sits up into the scoop.And the hole in the hood is round and only 1/4-1/2 inch wider then the air cleaner all the way around.So they is not alot of air that gets by it.I do plan on making a seal that gose under the carb to the hood,but have not done it yet.

Reno is not a fair weather area,it's hot in the summer only.And alots of freezing and snowwy days in the Fall and Winter.

The cooling system,
A 4 year old 3-row rad that looks real clean inside.
The engine was used with unknown milage,so I'm sure the cooling passages have build u in them.
The water pump is a 2year old reman,from NAPA.
The fan is a black magic brand with a built in shroud and thermostat that controls it.The fan is set at 160 to come on and gose off at 150.It's wired to a relay from black magic to the battery and a fuse that comes on when the key is on.The fan only comes on with the built in thermostat.

I dont have the rear hood seal never had it.And I dont have the front hood seal either.
As far as sealing the rad,there really is not any areas around it besides the top that have any openings.

Thanks for the your time Jay.

Ron.

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jkilroy
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posted 06-02-2002 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Challanges, challanges...keeps life interesting.

What size alternator do you have? If your alternator is the factory base 30 or 40 amp model then I would suspect that an upgrade needs to happen. On the Flex-A-Lite site the black magic fans all draw 13.9 amps. At idle the factory units don't even put out 10 so there is no way they can keep up with that demand.

Have you checked your system voltage with the fan running? (Along with other commonly used electrical items like sound systems) Flexalite CFM rates their fans at 13.5 volts. If you are providing less than that while driving down the road then your are getting greatly decreased performance.

Check out that electrical system and let me know, we will keep hacking away at it, but will will prevail.

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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2002 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay I just replaced my alt,with a stock one.It dose run at 13-14 at idle and around 13.5-14 running down the road.I dont have a big sound system.Just a simple radio.It ran at 12-13volts at idle and 13 at highway speed.


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mellowyellow
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posted 06-03-2002 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
65 Mustang V-8's did not have a front hood seal. Only the 6 cyl did. Their main function is to cover up nasty core support tops! There is a repo shroud on the market that is fiberglass,plastic/whatever that REALLY works. It's the REAL answer to improving the Mickey Mouse orig. That, along with a 160 thermo. and cooler placement should cure your ailment. The shroud is available in 3 1/2" width from major Mustang suppliers for around 70.00 It's worth it.

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jkilroy
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posted 06-03-2002 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you replace the alternator with a 30 amp base model or the 50 amp that came with AC equipped cars? I don't think a 30 amp alternator will produce enough juice at idle to power that fan, new or not. Here is what I suggest to anyone doing an alternator replcement to consider a PowerMaster alternator. They offer several models for Mustangs, from a 60 amp replacement all the way up to a 200 amp that can put out over 100 at idle.

http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/Specialty/Mustangs/mustangs.html

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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2002 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay,I dont have any idea which model it was.It's from Kragen and it's an autolite model.I just took my car for a 1.5hour drive.1st of the volts,never dropped below 14-14.5 volts.At idle or at 65mph.
And the temp stayed at 165-175 and once after a long step hill I stoped at the top of the hill it got to 180,and then cooled right back to 165 once I got moving.But it was only 65-70 degrees out today.But the last time the temp got over 190 was when it was 90+ outside.


Pete my electric fan already has a shroud.

Thanks for the help.

SCOOP

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-03-2002 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Jay,I dont have any idea which model it was.


Scoop, the size will be stamped on the top of the front case by the top {large} bolt.

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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2002 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve there is nothing stamped there.I looked all off it,it's on the outside right?
I called Kragen and gave them the model number I got,they told me I got the 60amp one.The unit is alittle smaller then my old alt.

SCOOP

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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2002 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So could it be my water pump, or are the water pumps one of those parts that work or they dont.

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jkilroy
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posted 06-03-2002 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be air flow or water flow, given that both increase as the car moves. A good high-flow aluminum water pump can really increase flow, and help you shed a few pounds.

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Jay Kilroy
68' Fastback GT 390
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