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Topic: Mini, Hi-Torque starter for SBF...?
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2494
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 05-21-2002 11:24 AM
   
Such as a CVR, Tilton or FRRP.... Is anyone running one on their 289/302/351W?Are you happy with it? It appears my OE starter has finally been header cooked  (yep, even with a heat shield) and will need to be replaced (on a 157-tooth flywheel), so I'm wondering about my options... Thanks in Advance,
Ryan 
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-21-2002 11:47 AM
CSI. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
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Part time secret agent license #0089
US Class Nationals link
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2494
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 05-21-2002 11:54 AM
Thanks for the quick response, Alex!
Does the CSI starter use the OE-style remote solenoid or is it like the GM-style?
How much would MMR charge me for a CSI starter?Ryan
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4681
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 01:34 PM
I too have the highest intrest in this thread... 4 speed flywheel; do you need a tooth count?
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6120
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 05-21-2002 02:05 PM
the factory late model starter (1991-up)is great. It won't fit an earlier stick flywheel as the 5.0L uses the same starter on automatics and sticks. BUT, i modified one for an FE by using a 4.0L V6 starter turned upside down and welded new mounting ears to it. The thing will crank for 5 minutes straight if need be and cranks faster than the stock large starters.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1064
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 02:47 PM
We too use a factory starter for our Clevelands. We used to eat stock rebuilts like popcorn until we went to a gear reduction Ford OEM starter. Got one for a mid 90s pickup with a 302 automatic. The only difference was in the wiring. The gear starter has a solenoid, so some minor rewiring was required. This starter cranks a 12.5:1 Cleveland great even in 100 degree weather. Overall cost was about half of an aftermarket mini-starter and it bolted right on. We had tried 2 or 3 brands of aftermarket starter and could not get one to fit. The little starter must weigh less than half what a stock replacement starter does.
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Stewart
Gearhead Posts: 10167
From: Monterey, CA Mustangsandmore Member #437
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 05-21-2002 03:23 PM
Not sure what year your car is, but check out these starters at Pa-Performance.http://www.pa-performance.com/searching.asp?cat=D%2E+Starter+Kits&subCat=Ford&cR=ca tegories I have nothing but good things to say about this company. Great customer service and excellent quality products at competitive prices (their NEW OEM style 3G 130A alternators cost less than remanned units from Kragens), plus the Pa-Performance products come with a lifetime warranty. Stewart [This message has been edited by Stewart (edited 05-21-2002).]
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bifs66
Gearhead Posts: 286
From: Maryland
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 05-21-2002 09:43 PM
I'm using the FRPP 5.0L Super Mini Starter #M-11000-B50 on the 66 Fastback's 342" stroker. This engine is using a billet 157 tooth flywheel set up for the later diaphram clutch (Centerforce Dual Friction), and balanced for 28 oz. The bell housing is an original 1966 aluminum manual transmission type mounting a close ratio toploader. This starter cost $180 with discount. ------------------
Bernie Frank
66 Fastback restomod project
85 GT (preserved)
82 GT (original)
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2954
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 10:00 PM
I run a CVR and it has lasted through the clevland and the BBF with no let downs. The cost was around 140 bucks 3 years ago. I don't know what it is now. I got mine through Memphis Performance, who is owned by Bill taylor, same guy that owns BTE, better known as the guy who first sponsored Mr. Reyes in the Hemi Cuda funny car way back in the A/FX days. He was also the original owner/founder of TCI. But back to starters I have had no problems at all with the starters he carries. I used to have lots of trouble with OEM starters.
Jerry
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2954
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 11:02 PM
And here is their web site. Ford starters are $189.00. Maybe I can get this right?
[url]
www.bteracing.com/SubCatList.asp?CatID=1807547563[/url]
Jerry
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2954
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 11:03 PM
then again maybe not!
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/002753.html
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2954
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 11:05 PM
Dang do you ever have one of them days where nothing works right?? http://www.bteracing.com/SubCatList.asp?CatID=1807547563 Jerry
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6120
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 05-22-2002 02:00 AM
Well there it is on Stewarts link! A Ford mini starter that fits older manual trans applications. Cool.  http://www.pa-performance.com/windowShop.asp?sku=31&rP=searching,cat@D.+Starter+Kits,subCat@Ford,cR@categories
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2494
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 05-22-2002 08:28 AM
Thanks for all the great advice, Guys! This is truly a GREAT Forum, Steve LaR! Ryan
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-22-2002 10:22 AM
CSI and FRPP units both require remote solenoids. They both have starter mounted actuating solenoids also. We use both and have zero problems with either. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
US Class Nationals link
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 7611
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-22-2002 01:12 PM
i have run the factory small late model starter for 3 years with no problems.
(junkyard $25)------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.56 @88mph 1/8
1.56 60 ft.
http://prestage.com/site/site_display.asp?SiteID=141
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JAAZZY
Gearhead Posts: 836
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-22-2002 02:22 PM
I have been using the same Tilton mini starter for over 10 years with no problems and my headers run right by it with no heat shield. It has lasted longer than the engines it has started.  They are expensive but it might be the last starter I ever need.
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