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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-17-2002 10:05 PM ANY engine will gain 10 HP using Royal Purple synthtic oil. NO BRAG, JUST FACT! We tried it on several engines over the last couple of days. From MM's killer 289, to a 359 stroker SBF W, to a 327 chebbie queervette restoration piece. All with the same results. Tell me what you got and I'll give you a recomenation. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
I65Stang Gearhead Posts: 5825 From: Antelope, CA Registered: Jun 99	posted 04-17-2002 10:07 PM Ok Alex, after getting the 5.0 back together I plan on running synthetic after break in. Any recommendations? Remember, daily driver, traffic, temps from 30-110F . ------------------ Tim M&M Member #35 1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys 1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction 1976 Silverline Comoro 18' trihull ski boat, 188 hp 302 I/O, another toy https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/I65Stang.html Men are liable to err. But when an error is made, that man is no longer unwise or unblessed who heals the evil into which he has fallen and does not remain stubborn. Self- will, we know, invites the charge of foolishness."- Sophocles [This message has been edited by I65Stang (edited 04-17-2002).] IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-17-2002 10:13 PM RP Racing #21 same as we use in the project 89 GT P/SA convert. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-17-2002 10:16 PM PS Do not waste you money on Mobil One for any hope in performace increase. If you want to use it for the benifits of synthetic only then fine, but it ain't worth NOTHIN' on the dyno over 5w30 Castrol or equivilant petroleum blend. Not one HP, nothing, nada, zero, zip! ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 04-17-2002).] IP: Logged
V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 2991 From: Orange, Ca. United States of America Registered: Dec 2001	posted 04-17-2002 11:07 PM You know plenty about my motor ... what would you run in it? Lots of street miles, just like Tim's. Same product? IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-17-2002 11:35 PM RP Racing # 21 again. PS, 10 HP is a TENTH at the track! ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 9095 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 04-18-2002 01:08 AM Ok you hooked me too.I'm all about any thing that adds power. I need all I can get.What about a well used 351w mostly stock.High milage and yes it uses some oil.I use 10-40w castol now and in the summer I use 20-50w,and I add a can Restore once a year.That Restore helped alot.Will it be worth it for me.I put on about 2000 miles a year. SCOOP ------------------ 65 coupe,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
I65Stang Gearhead Posts: 5825 From: Antelope, CA Registered: Jun 99	posted 04-18-2002 01:15 AM A few questions for ya Alex. How often (miles) do you need to change RP? Can you switch between RP and the other cheaper synthetics (when drained of course)? Reason I ask is that I just saw the cost of this stuff (~$10/qt) and the '88 will get quite a few miles put on her so maybe during the winter run the cheaper synthetic. Just wondering . ------------------ Tim M&M Member #35 1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys 1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction 1976 Silverline Comoro 18' trihull ski boat, 188 hp 302 I/O, another toy https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/I65Stang.html IP: Logged
67Coupster Gearhead Posts: 167 From: Fortson, GA, USA Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-18-2002 06:40 AM How about this combo Alex. 393W, AFR185 heads, 10.5:1 Comp, solid lift cam, high volume oil pump, main clearance .003, rods .0025. Now pretty much strip only car. Currently use Penzoil 20W-50 racing oil. Thanks! ------------------ James 67 Coupe 393W, AFR 185, 4 Speed, 4.11 9 inch 7.09 @ 97MPH 1/8 1.55 60' IP: Logged
MrWesson22 Gearhead Posts: 1103 From: Dacula, GA Registered: Sep 2000	posted 04-18-2002 07:21 AM How about a street/strip 351C? It'll see our 100 degree weather during the summer, down to about 20 during the winter. ------------------ Neal Member #723 [email protected] AIM: MrWesson22 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande 351C/Toploader 4sp IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-18-2002 10:08 AM Scoop, racing #41 for you in your miler. Tim, you would change it about every 2k miles with the filter. It actually has a better life expectancy than petroleum oils. James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it! Neal, #21 for you all year round. It is a 5w30 blend. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
I65Stang Gearhead Posts: 5825 From: Antelope, CA Registered: Jun 99	posted 04-18-2002 11:24 AM Every 2K miles??? ------------------ Tim M&M Member #35 1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys 1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction 1976 Silverline Comoro 18' trihull ski boat, 188 hp 302 I/O, another toy https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/I65Stang.html IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-18-2002 11:48 AM Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth? ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 2991 From: Orange, Ca. United States of America Registered: Dec 2001	posted 04-18-2002 12:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth? LOL!!! That works out to only $.02/mile IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 9095 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 04-18-2002 12:36 PM Alex can I still add a can of Restore to the oil.Or will that not mix well.I only change my oil once a year,should I do it more then that.Some years I dont even drive 2000 miles. Thanks Scoop ------------------ 65 coupe,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
65Restomod.com Journeyman Posts: 23 From: Spring, TX United States Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-18-2002 02:09 PM I have a 289 bored over .030, .200 dome KB116 pistons approx 10.25/10.5 to 1 compression, 58CC Canfield 2.02/160 heads W/Stage1 port, XE284H Comp Cam .544 lift, Victor Jr intake gasket matched. Going to use mainly for strip with some street use. Fresh rebuild. Thanks, Jeff ------------------ http://65Restomod.com IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-18-2002 05:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it! That's good stuff !! My motor sure likes it. IP: Logged
I65Stang Gearhead Posts: 5825 From: Antelope, CA Registered: Jun 99	posted 04-18-2002 05:49 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth? Not much . Lol, j/k. I will do it when I get the new motor built especially if I run a supercharger . ------------------ Tim M&M Member #35 1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys 1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction 1976 Silverline Comoro 18' trihull ski boat, 188 hp 302 I/O, another toy https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/I65Stang.html IP: Logged
67Coupster Gearhead Posts: 167 From: Fortson, GA, USA Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-18-2002 07:08 PM quote: Originally posted by kid vishus: That's good stuff !! My motor sure likes it. I'll have to give it a try for my little grudge match with a Nova!! ------------------ James 67 Coupe 393W, AFR 185, 4 Speed, 4.11 9 inch 7.09 @ 97MPH 1/8 1.55 60' IP: Logged
67Coupster Gearhead Posts: 167 From: Fortson, GA, USA Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-18-2002 07:09 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it! Cool, thanks Alex, what can I expect to see as far as a oil pressure change if any? ------------------ James 67 Coupe 393W, AFR 185, 4 Speed, 4.11 9 inch 7.09 @ 97MPH 1/8 1.55 60' IP: Logged
71RESTO Gearhead Posts: 1253 From: Oregon, USA Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-18-2002 09:26 PM OK Alex, how about for a '73 351C CJ, bored .030 over with a mild cam and 4 BBL that is driven rather infrequently throughout the year (mainly to shows and one or two long runs) for a total of about 1000 miles per year. And would it be alright to change the oil just once a year during the down time (winter months). Also, the outdoor temps range 40-100 during this time. What's your suggestion?? (and thanks) Also, is it alright to just change to RP during the next oil change without any added cleanout (such as just changing the oil filter and adding the new RP)? ------------------ Duane 71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto) 73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed) 66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's) 89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's) M & M Member #730 IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-18-2002 09:33 PM quote: Originally posted by 67Coupster: Cool, thanks Alex, what can I expect to see as far as a oil pressure change if any? On my car, the oil pressure stayed real close to the same, but just a touch lower, as when I was running 15-50 Mobil One synthetic. The #11 is 5-20. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-18-2002 09:37 PM Scoop, works just fine with Restore. Duane, #21 Racing is perfect for your light usage. You can install it right away with a new filter. Always fill the filter first before installing it. James, when hot, you might see about a 5 lb drop if any. Nothing to worry about, just the nature of the beast. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 04-18-2002).] IP: Logged
GTS Racing Journeyman Posts: 68 From: Thor, Iowa 50591 Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-18-2002 11:09 PM Okay Professor Denysenko, How bout MM #4 (Our car that is). I just had to put that with the addition of the new vinyl, Pictures to come soon. Thanks, Steve. IP: Logged
Mario428 Journeyman Posts: 52 From: Charlottetown, PEI, Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 04-19-2002 05:53 AM I picked up my crank last weekend at A & J Automotive and was talking to John Armstrong the Super Stock racer. He was disassembling a 600 inch Ford. He mentioned that the motor had had bearing troubles and the owner had changed over to Swepco oil and the probelems went away. John had been using the same oil until he started having piston pin troubles last year. He switched to synthetic Royal Purple and the problems went away. I did not think of it while I was there but I wonder if oil pans, windage trays and scapers are getting to efficient and there is not enough oil misting around some motors. I realize pins get oiled from the oil rings scraping oil off the walls but there would be considerable splash also. I had bearing problems with my 428 last year and I will be using Mobil 1 this year. Royal Purple gets scary when you convert to Canadain dollars. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-19-2002 09:26 AM Mario, save your money. If you can't afford RP then you can't afford Mobil One. Why buy half a sandwich? That would be like buying a Big Mac without the middle bun! For what the Mobil One is worth (zero) you would be better off using regular petroleum Castrol GTX or other name brand and just changing it more often. For my money when it comes to synthetic race oils, it's RP or no synthetic at all! ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Kyle Gearhead Posts: 210 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Dec 2001	posted 04-19-2002 12:39 PM Better get my oil of choice for the race car while the gettins good. '73 302, .040, forged flat top pistons, stock rods (resized), .010/.010 crank, fluidampr, SFI flexplate, all balanced, melling HV oil pump, Comp cam (31-639-5, of course), solid lifters, Victor Jr. heads, what more info do you want? Hopefully I will turn this motor to 7000rpm this year, and still be making power when I get there! IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-19-2002 02:33 PM #21 Kyle. Did anyone catch the latest episode of Hot Rod TV last night? ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Big D Gearhead Posts: 3286 From: WELLS, NEVADA Registered: Nov 2000	posted 04-19-2002 10:36 PM Alex, Does Royal Purple have an application for 2000 Ford Diesel PU's... Don IP: Logged
Dusty Kiser Gearhead Posts: 122 From: Bethel,Oh USA Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-20-2002 12:14 AM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: ANY engine will gain 10 HP using Royal Purple synthtic oil. NO BRAG, JUST FACT! We tried it on several engines over the last couple of days. From MM's killer 289, to a 359 stroker SBF W, to a 327 chebbie queervette restoration piece. All with the same results. Tell me what you got and I'll give you a recomenation. The only RP product I've messed with so far is the assembly lube. Aside from it's very slick feel, it is tacky as hell. To what do you attribute the HP increase? Reduced friction, better ring seal, thermal conductivity? IP: Logged
Just Jim Gearhead Posts: 381 From: So Cal Registered: Feb 2000	posted 04-20-2002 12:50 AM Sorry,but I think it's Snake Oil.Kinda like that Slick 50 BS of a few years ago or Split Fire plugs.It's all in your mind. Any quality oil should work just as good.Must be another April Fools joke. ------------------ "Just Falcon Around" 1962 Falcon 351W 1958 Morris Minor 289 IP: Logged
Mario428 Journeyman Posts: 52 From: Charlottetown, PEI, Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 04-20-2002 06:34 AM Alex I am glad to see you are brand loyal to the stuff you sell. Royal Purple or just use whatever oil you can find is one of the better tech tips I have seen lately. John had tried Mobil 1 and it fixed most of his problems. I believe Allyn uses Mobil 1 exclusively and he told me to go to synthetic though since he does not sell oil he did not specify a brand in those terms. IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-20-2002 08:46 AM A local sprint car builder here who is not a Royal Purple rep also tells his customers the same thing. If you want more HP, put Royal Purple in them. He also has seen horsepower increases on a dyno by changing from Mobil One to Royal Purple. And the last time they did a comparison pull, going from 5-30 Mobil One to 5-30 Royal Purple picked up almost 15 horsepower on an 835hp sprint car motor. Call it snake oil, or whatever you want, but there's a reason almost all of the NASCAR teams run Royal Purple, (and even some of the teams that have major oil sponsors run it). IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 31026 From: Saco, Maine Registered: May 99	posted 04-20-2002 01:04 PM Hot Rod magazine also had a very similar result a few months ago with a SBC they wanted to pop over the 500 hp mark on a dyno. I think it was at 496 and a change to Royal Purple brought it to 503, a 7 hp difference. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 *The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you got it made.* IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-20-2002 01:06 PM Snake oil? Lest you forget Jim, I was one of the LAST to get on the synthetic oil bus! I was a proponant of petroleum oils for a long, long time. When a friend at Cosworth turned me on to Royal Purple and endorsed it, that was good enough for me. I have proved it's merit and value hundreds of times! I'll tell you what Jim, I'll give you 5 quarts for your Falcon or your Morris to try, freight paid. If it does not pick you up .005 or better you owe me nothing. If it does then you post the results and pay me for the product and the shipping. You can't get a more fair deal than that! ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Just Jim Gearhead Posts: 381 From: So Cal Registered: Feb 2000	posted 04-20-2002 03:16 PM Thanks for the offer but I stll don't believe it will make any improvement. Both my cars run pretty consistent but I would be hard pressed to even make two runs within .005 difference in E.T. so probably wouldn't notice any improvement. I'll stick with a known good oil and you can promote your snake oil all you want so you can sell it. Sorry, Steve,but Hot Rod probably got paid for using that oil and had to show an improvement. ------------------ "Just Falcon Around" 1962 Falcon 351W 1958 Morris Minor 289 IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 31026 From: Saco, Maine Registered: May 99	posted 04-20-2002 03:36 PM Whatever. When's the next 'flat-earth society' meeting? ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 *The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you got it made.* IP: Logged
Just Jim Gearhead Posts: 381 From: So Cal Registered: Feb 2000	posted 04-20-2002 03:56 PM I think there is a meeting down in Hollywood tonight. ------------------ "Just Falcon Around" 1962 Falcon 351W 1958 Morris Minor 289 IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-20-2002 09:16 PM Yep, and my dual point distributor is proven to work better than anything else out there and those da**ed new fangled electronic things arent worth the hassle, nor are any other so called "improvements" in technology. The guy at the shop (its name is Ostrich Racing Engines, they build more winning sprint car motors for Knoxville speedway in Iowa than ANYONE), also had a customer who didnt believe the Purple was better. He also told the guy if it didnt gain at least 10 hp on the dyno he would pay for the oil and filter change. Well, it picked up 15 hp over the Mobil One he was a firm believer in. IP: Logged
Larry Jennings Gearhead Posts: 540 From: Redwood City, Ca. USA Registered: Apr 2000	posted 04-20-2002 10:10 PM If I insult your RP will you send me a free batch? Royal Purple is a dastardly brew of suspicious ingredients that create a concoction so vile it rivals any liquid sold by the traveling band of charletons from the days of yore! Consider your product insulted . IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-20-2002 10:32 PM Yeah...how about me? I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! wasn't that slick the way I drug a monty python skit into this? IP: Logged
Just Jim Gearhead Posts: 381 From: So Cal Registered: Feb 2000	posted 04-20-2002 11:31 PM Kid: There is a big difference comparing points type distributors with eletronic. It's not the same as comparing synthetic oils with petroleum oils. You don't have to fart on anyone or make insults just because I don't agree about the oil. I'm going to run my Morris at the local 1/8 mile track tomorrow and it might turn a 7.48 which I know is slow for you guys. But if I spend the $50 for the purple snake oil it might turn a 7.475. Sorry but BFD. ------------------ "Just Falcon Around" 1962 Falcon 351W 1958 Morris Minor 289 [This message has been edited by Just Jim (edited 04-20-2002).] IP: Logged
steve'66 Gearhead Posts: 5659 From: Sonoma,CA,USA Registered: Mar 2000	posted 04-20-2002 11:39 PM I wan to try some royal purple! Alex, your mama wears army boots! LOL But, really we were running purple in the 351w before. When it ran it's best ets there was purple oil in the crankcase, Snake oil, maybe?!?! Send me a gallon and I'll add the extra two quarts and post the results. SteveW IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-21-2002 12:02 AM quote: Originally posted by Just Jim: Kid: You don't have to fart on anyone or make insults just because I don't agree about the oil. That was comedy, a line from "Monty Python, in search of the Holy Grail"...not a comment aimed at you. IP: Logged
Larry Jennings Gearhead Posts: 540 From: Redwood City, Ca. USA Registered: Apr 2000	posted 04-21-2002 01:50 AM I love Monty Python! Nee nee nee nee . IP: Logged
Big D Gearhead Posts: 3286 From: WELLS, NEVADA Registered: Nov 2000	posted 04-21-2002 11:16 AM Now that we got that out of the way... Is there an application of RP for a 2000 3/4 Diesel Ford PU.... Don IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-21-2002 12:46 PM Yes Jim, your cars are indeed very consistant. Consitantly SLOW! Remember, I have plenty of friends in Palmdale. Don, the 15w40 product will work very well in your truck. Dusty, the performance increase is primarily attributed to the products ability to maintain is low viscocity and lubricity, while still helping to maintain a good seal in high temperature inviornments. High lube quality equals less friction. Less friction equals more power. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Just Jim Gearhead Posts: 381 From: So Cal Registered: Feb 2000	posted 04-21-2002 08:54 PM Alex,so just because I don't agree with your purple oil you are going to insult my cars times because they are slow? I don't care how many friends you have or don't have in Palmdale. I go racing for a good time and it is good relaxation for me whether in your eyes my cars are slow or not. I just came back from Irwindale where it cost me $20 for the gas for my truck and car and $30 for entry fees.My best time in the 1/8 was a 7.486/90.4MPH. I'd rather spend $50 to race my car on a Sunday with good people that don't care how fast my cars are than buy some synthetic oil for $50 that might make my slow cars go another .005 quicker. I thought this board was above this petty stuff you hand out just because someone doesn't agree with you.I'll take my slow cars elsewhere than Mustangsandmore. Thanks. ------------------ "Just Falcon Around" 1962 Falcon 351W 1958 Morris Minor 289 [This message has been edited by Just Jim (edited 04-21-2002).] IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-21-2002 09:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Just Jim: Sorry,but I think it's Snake Oil.Kinda like that Slick 50 BS of a few years ago or Split Fire plugs.It's all in your mind. Any quality oil should work just as good.Must be another April Fools joke. [QUOTE] Alex,so just because I don't agree with your purple oil you are going to insult my cars times because they are slow? [/QOUTE] Seems to me you insulted Alex first. You questioned a proven product, and basically called him a liar and that it was BS just to sell an inferior, overpriced product. Sorry, but Royal Purple is proven to work better than your inferior petroleum oil. It makes more horsepower, runs cooler, and promotes better engine wear. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-21-2002 09:30 PM Jim, I can take a joke or an insult. Obviously you can dish it out but can not take it back. I am not trying to SELL anything to you or anyone else. You can take my advice or leave it. End of story. Enjoy the forums and try to lighten up a bit. We all are. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
67Coupster Gearhead Posts: 167 From: Fortson, GA, USA Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-22-2002 06:37 AM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: [B Did anyone catch the latest episode of Hot Rod TV last night? [/B] I think I saw the one you are talking about yesterday. The one where they changed the engine, tranny and rearend fluids to RP and picked up 10 HP on a chassis dyno. Nice car! ------------------ James 67 Coupe 393W, AFR 185, 4 Speed, 4.11 9 inch 7.09 @ 97MPH 1/8 1.55 60' [This message has been edited by 67Coupster (edited 04-22-2002).] IP: Logged
JoeC Journeyman Posts: 89 From: Springfield, MA. Registered: Jul 2000	posted 04-22-2002 09:02 AM Hey Alex, have you had any experience with Amsoil? I've been using their 0W-30 Series 2000 oil, SDF oil filters, ATF, PI gas additive, and 75W-90 Series 2000 rear end lube in my vehicles for over 9 years now. With the exception of my '96 Saturn SL2 which has been a piece of junk since day one (my other cars are the '00 Stang and my '93 Taurus with 90K+), I've had very good results with the Amsoil in terms of increased mileage and performance, reduced emissions, and minimal or no oil consumption between changes. How does RP compare in terms of cost and extended drain intervals (just wondering)? Also, have you had any experience with Halo Spark Plugs? I tried a set in the Saturn about a year ago and they helped performance and reduced the amount of carbon build up I was getting on the plugs (which has been a significant problem with the Saturn as it doesn't see the highway much). PS - I'm not trying to start an RP vs. Amsoil debate here, I'm just curious if you've tried it and how good or bad the results were when you might have tested it. ------------------ Joe C. 2000 V6 Convertible IP: Logged
DRAGSTANG351 Journeyman Posts: 63 From: FLORIDA Registered: Dec 2001	posted 04-22-2002 10:10 AM Alex, I watched hot rod t.v. last weekend when they changed the oil too royal purple in the motor, tranny and rearend, and picked up 10 h.p. on a chassis dyno with a 347 stroker motor, that's 10 h.p. @ the rear wheels, i bet if you let the car run a hundred mile before they put it on the chassis dyno and let the oil work it's way around and bond to the parts more it would pick up more power R.P. is the real deal no doubt kelly IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-22-2002 10:17 AM Over the years I have heard nothing but GOOD about Amsoil products. Jim Paquet of JPT transmission recomends their trans fluid in non high RPM C-4 applications. The only draw back that I have ever seen with Amsoil has been limited availability. I have not had any real experiance with the HALO spark plugs. If they were really worth anything I would suspect that the major plug manufacturers would have had them long ago. When a product works everyone jumps in wiht a copy. Sort of like synthetic lubricants don't ya think? ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 1115 From: Stanton, Michigan 49707 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-22-2002 04:17 PM Alex, did you run any other synthetics in your test other than Mobil 1 - specifically REDLINE? I'm hearing R.P. is better than petro oils (no surprise to me) and better then synthetic Mobil 1 (which does surprise me). I see alot of testimony, reports or web site comparisons of synthetics against petro oils, but I'd like to see a performance comparison of the top 5 or so synthetics lubes... I currently use REDLINE synthetic oils/lubes and I'm a firm believer that the synthetics are FAR superior over petro-based oils. Whether or not they provide more power; I believe the synthetics have better cling, better cold start up protection, high temp protection, etc. than the petro oils which is reason enough for me to make the switch and pay the long price... However, I'm a bit hesitate to be convinced there is that much difference between the synthetics. ...but the Mobil 1 info is interresting..... I may have to try R.P. at my next oil change..... Thanks! Ryan IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-22-2002 05:23 PM quote: Originally posted by Ryan Wilke: ...but the Mobil 1 info is interresting..... I had heard the same thing about Mobil One synthetic oil before Alex ever mentioned it. Is it Mobil One or Castrol Syntec that has a mild blend of petro oil in their supposed straight synthetic? IP: Logged
n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1367 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001	posted 04-22-2002 08:31 PM I'm not saying RP isn't worth power, but I'd like to know more details about that 347 10hp increase. Conventional oil is a LOT thicker when it's cold than synthetic. Thinner oil has less drag than the thick stuff. I'd like to know if the engine, tranny, and rear end were all COMPLETELY warmed up prior to the test. My car runs best when it is stone cold. Synthetic gives a little peace of mind with the engine, makes the tranny shift better (cold), and gives less drag in the rear end. FULLY warmed up conventional oil shouldn't be off much, compared to synthetic... but it's not like you get a chance to drive 20 miles before making a pass. I'm cheap and use Mobil 1. Walmart carries it where I live for $17.88 for a 5 quart container... which is just over $3 a quart. I'm paranoid, and run the 15w50, which is still pretty thin. Mobil 1 also has all the 'street' additives and detergents, which suits me fine since I usually run the same oil all summer... well, sometimes I'll change it once if it starts to look very dirty. My $0.02 Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220 IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-22-2002 08:48 PM Last year we tested (comparison) RP, Synergin, Mobil One, and Castrol Syntec. All HOT and all with the same results. The Synergin was worth a touch and the other two zero over petroleum products. Only the RP showed substantial increases in power. Buy the way, RP uses MM's old rings and bearings in their trade show display. .040 and .030 under with 128 9000+ RPM passes on them. They look like NEW! BFN as a mater of fact. That's on a steady diet of #9 0-10w RP racing oil after break in. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 1217 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-23-2002 12:37 AM I work for a natural Gas pipeline and we changed most of our fleet vehicles and large horsepower compressors over to ? You got it Royal Purple, about 8 years ago. When we switched I seem to remember it wasn't availble for retail. I don't know what's in there but it's slick stuff. Alex you sell it? Does this mean I can quit borrowing it from the plant? ?? I didn't know it was availble retail now. I haven't seen it in stores. Jerry IP: Logged
A66GT Journeyman Posts: 8 From: cleve, Ohio. U.S.A. Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-23-2002 12:50 AM where can i get this rp synthetic oil. I'd like to try it . I have about 3 hours burn time on my new 302 roller motor and I'm willing to give synthetic oil a try.......Allen IP: Logged
jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 1217 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-23-2002 12:56 AM Alex, What type RP would your reccomend for a BBF on Methanol? Do you need more detail? Jerry IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-23-2002 09:25 AM We sell RP products at MMR. You can also get it from Jegs and many NAPA stores Allen. Jerry, I would like to know a bit more about your engine like camshaft type and bearing clearances. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 1217 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-24-2002 12:16 AM Alex, Camshaft type is Roller , bearing clearances are 3.5 - 4. I know this because I had to have the crank re-ground one thousandth because the clearances were too tight. The rods are 6.8 Oliver steel. The rod journals were cut down to the BRAND X ( BBC ) size. I run a bottom end stud girdle on a two bolt block bored .080 over. Crank is Callies steel. I shift the thing at 6500, and it depends on the track as to the RPM I cross through at. We have some 1/8th mile tracks and 600 ft tracks. 4.56 rear gears. I run methanol for fuel. Really since I bracket race not class race it wouldn't matter much if it picked it up a little or not, but I'm just curious about it now. Thanks for the help ALEX. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-24-2002 09:13 AM #21 Racing Jerry. I would like to see it heavier than most in your application due to the large clearances and the methanol fuel. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-24-2002 03:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: #21 Racing Jerry. I would like to see it heavier than most in your application due to the large clearances and the methanol fuel. Not to dis-agree with the Chief, but.... I have always ran the #11 cuz it says its designed for methanol fuel. My clearances are bigger than normal, but not quite that much bigger, and it still carries good oil pressure. I tried #21 and it made a mess in the pan with the alchy. With #11, the water seperates over night from the oil and can be drained out first thing. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 04-24-2002 06:44 PM I would have recomnended 11 for you KV and your 351C. As a matter of fact I think that I have in the past. IN Jerry's case wit that big arm, heavy bob weight and loose as a goose clearance along with the methanol, I think the 21 is a better choice. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 3894 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-24-2002 06:50 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: I would have recomnended 11 for you KV and your 351C. As a matter of fact I think that I have in the past. IN Jerry's case wit that big arm, heavy bob weight and loose as a goose clearance along with the methanol, I think the 21 is a better choice. Ok, I was just "thinking outloud". I figured there had to be a reason you recommended the 21 for him. IP: Logged
Dusty Kiser Gearhead Posts: 122 From: Bethel,Oh USA Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-26-2002 10:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Over the years I have heard nothing but GOOD about Amsoil products. Jim Paquet of JPT transmission recomends their trans fluid in non high RPM C-4 applications. The only draw back that I have ever seen with Amsoil has been limited availability. I have not had any real experiance with the HALO spark plugs. If they were really worth anything I would suspect that the major plug manufacturers would have had them long ago. When a product works everyone jumps in wiht a copy. Sort of like synthetic lubricants don't ya think? Guys, I have run several different synthetic oils in several applications. I raced unlimited go-karts for awhile and used Klotz and Blendzall synthetics usually mixed with some castor oil in Alky sometimes jazzed with a little nitro. I also used Klotz and Amsoil synthetics in some 4cycle Stock appearing kart engines I built for customers. We ran Amsoil products in a fleet of Crown Vic Sheriff's cars that I maintain, And we've tried Mobil One and others, Syntec and the like, in several different personal vehicles. Two things stand out in my mind. Amsoil, Syntec and the majority of the commercially available Synthetiecs are in fact Parasynthetics. That is a basic crude oil formula that has been modified with synthetic polymers for improved lubricity, more consistant viscosity, and resistance to sludge and thermal breakdown. The advantage of these formulations for the average motorist is it can be safely mixed with crude oil products with no adverse effects, so if a guy is on the road, and needs oil he can dump anything in there till he can get service. The TRUE synthetics like crude oil about as much as they like water. They DO NOT mix well. I have dismantled some engines I sold with Pure synthetic oil in them and were switched to crude and everything in the engine was coated with an eighth inch film of goo looking very much like gray yogurt. Amsoil recommends flushing your engine with their crankcase flush prior to adding their synthetic. They ( salesman ) downplay the importance of doing it, but the engineers don't write policy if they don't think it's important. I have a couple of good tech manuals on lubricants I got from the Petroleum Institute that help clarify the differences in oils, how viscosity ratings are done etc. As MM noted, if you can use a very low viscosity oil and still have enough film strength to provide adequate lubrication you can reduce power losses in many ways. First, the oil pump will take less power to drive, parasitic drag from windage and roping will be reduced and drain back will be greatly improved. In a highly stressed application ( I think 9000RPM qualifies! ) one would want to change oil frequently, like every race day! IP: Logged
Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 303 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000	posted 04-26-2002 10:55 PM Alex, how about me? 377C, std. bearing clearances, solid cam, 7000 RPM max. Can we get Royal Purple down here?? Paul IP: Logged
65_289 Gearhead Posts: 701 From: Registered: Jul 2001	posted 05-01-2002 04:39 PM How about for a roller 302 crate motor with aluminum heads and 9:1? IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 18704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 05-01-2002 07:56 PM Paul, sorry I missed this. #11 Racing for your application would work well. I can ship some to you if you can't find any down under. 65_289 #21 Racing for you.. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
65_289 Gearhead Posts: 701 From: Registered: Jul 2001	posted 05-01-2002 08:55 PM quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Paul, sorry I missed this. #11 Racing for your application would work well. I can ship some to you if you can't find any down under. 65_289 #21 Racing for you.. Hell yeah! Thanks Alex!! IP: Logged
Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 303 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000	posted 05-04-2002 05:04 AM Thanks Alex, We have a distributer down here. Paul IP: Logged

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