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Moneymaker
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posted 04-17-2002 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ANY engine will gain 10 HP using Royal Purple synthtic oil. NO BRAG, JUST FACT!
We tried it on several engines over the last couple of days. From MM's killer 289, to a 359 stroker SBF W, to a 327 chebbie queervette restoration piece. All with the same results.
Tell me what you got and I'll give you a recomenation.

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posted 04-17-2002 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Alex, after getting the 5.0 back together I plan on running synthetic after break in. Any recommendations? Remember, daily driver, traffic, temps from 30-110F .

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posted 04-17-2002 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RP Racing #21 same as we use in the project 89 GT P/SA convert.

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posted 04-17-2002 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do not waste you money on Mobil One for any hope in performace increase. If you want to use it for the benifits of synthetic only then fine, but it ain't worth NOTHIN' on the dyno over 5w30 Castrol or equivilant petroleum blend. Not one HP, nothing, nada, zero, zip!

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posted 04-17-2002 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know plenty about my motor ... what would you run in it? Lots of street miles, just like Tim's. Same product?

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posted 04-17-2002 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RP Racing # 21 again.
PS, 10 HP is a TENTH at the track!

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Ok you hooked me too.I'm all about any thing that adds power.
I need all I can get.What about a well used 351w mostly stock.High milage and yes it uses some oil.I use 10-40w castol now and in the summer I use 20-50w,and I add a can Restore once a year.That Restore helped alot.Will it be worth it for me.I put on about 2000 miles a year.

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A few questions for ya Alex. How often (miles) do you need to change RP? Can you switch between RP and the other cheaper synthetics (when drained of course)? Reason I ask is that I just saw the cost of this stuff (~$10/qt) and the '88 will get quite a few miles put on her so maybe during the winter run the cheaper synthetic. Just wondering .

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posted 04-18-2002 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67Coupster   Click Here to Email 67Coupster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about this combo Alex. 393W, AFR185 heads, 10.5:1 Comp, solid lift cam, high volume oil pump, main clearance .003, rods .0025. Now pretty much strip only car.

Currently use Penzoil 20W-50 racing oil.

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How about a street/strip 351C? It'll see our 100 degree weather during the summer, down to about 20 during the winter.

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Scoop, racing #41 for you in your miler.
Tim, you would change it about every 2k miles with the filter. It actually has a better life expectancy than petroleum oils.
James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it!
Neal, #21 for you all year round. It is a 5w30 blend.

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posted 04-18-2002 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every 2K miles???

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posted 04-18-2002 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth?

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posted 04-18-2002 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth?



LOL!!!

That works out to only $.02/mile

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Alex can I still add a can of Restore to the oil.Or will that not mix well.I only change my oil once a year,should I do it more then that.Some years I dont even drive 2000 miles.

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I have a 289 bored over .030, .200 dome KB116 pistons approx 10.25/10.5 to 1 compression, 58CC Canfield 2.02/160 heads W/Stage1 port, XE284H Comp Cam .544 lift, Victor Jr intake gasket matched. Going to use mainly for strip with some street use.
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posted 04-18-2002 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it!


That's good stuff !!

My motor sure likes it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yeah you cheapskate!!!!!! Every 2k miles! How much is your motor worth?


Not much . Lol, j/k. I will do it when I get the new motor built especially if I run a supercharger .

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quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:

That's good stuff !!

My motor sure likes it.


I'll have to give it a try for my little grudge match with a Nova!!

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
James, #11 for you. It will LOVE it!


Cool, thanks Alex, what can I expect to see as far as a oil pressure change if any?

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OK Alex,
how about for a '73 351C CJ, bored .030 over with a mild cam and 4 BBL that is driven rather infrequently throughout the year (mainly to shows and one or two long runs) for a total of about 1000 miles per year. And would it be alright to change the oil just once a year during the down time (winter months). Also, the outdoor temps range 40-100 during this time. What's your suggestion?? (and thanks) Also, is it alright to just change to RP during the next oil change without any added cleanout (such as just changing the oil filter and adding the new RP)?

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posted 04-18-2002 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 67Coupster:
Cool, thanks Alex, what can I expect to see as far as a oil pressure change if any?



On my car, the oil pressure stayed real close to the same, but just a touch lower, as when I was running 15-50 Mobil One synthetic. The #11 is 5-20.

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posted 04-18-2002 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop, works just fine with Restore.
Duane, #21 Racing is perfect for your light usage. You can install it right away with a new filter. Always fill the filter first before installing it.
James, when hot, you might see about a 5 lb drop if any. Nothing to worry about, just the nature of the beast.

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Okay Professor Denysenko, How bout MM #4 (Our car that is). I just had to put that with the addition of the new vinyl, Pictures to come soon. Thanks, Steve.

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I picked up my crank last weekend at A & J Automotive and was talking to John Armstrong the Super Stock racer. He was disassembling a 600 inch Ford. He mentioned that the motor had had bearing troubles and the owner had changed over to Swepco oil and the probelems went away. John had been using the same oil until he started having piston pin troubles last year. He switched to synthetic Royal Purple and the problems went away. I did not think of it while I was there but I wonder if oil pans, windage trays and scapers are getting to efficient and there is not enough oil misting around some motors. I realize pins get oiled from the oil rings scraping oil off the walls but there would be considerable splash also.
I had bearing problems with my 428 last year and I will be using Mobil 1 this year. Royal Purple gets scary when you convert to Canadain dollars.

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Mario, save your money. If you can't afford RP then you can't afford Mobil One. Why buy half a sandwich? That would be like buying a Big Mac without the middle bun!
For what the Mobil One is worth (zero) you would be better off using regular petroleum Castrol GTX or other name brand and just changing it more often. For my money when it comes to synthetic race oils, it's RP or no synthetic at all!

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Better get my oil of choice for the race car while the gettins good. '73 302, .040, forged flat top pistons, stock rods (resized), .010/.010 crank, fluidampr, SFI flexplate, all balanced, melling HV oil pump, Comp cam (31-639-5, of course), solid lifters, Victor Jr. heads, what more info do you want? Hopefully I will turn this motor to 7000rpm this year, and still be making power when I get there!

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posted 04-19-2002 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
#21 Kyle.
Did anyone catch the latest episode of Hot Rod TV last night?

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Alex,

Does Royal Purple have an application for 2000 Ford Diesel PU's...

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
ANY engine will gain 10 HP using Royal Purple synthtic oil. NO BRAG, JUST FACT!
We tried it on several engines over the last couple of days. From MM's killer 289, to a 359 stroker SBF W, to a 327 chebbie queervette restoration piece. All with the same results.
Tell me what you got and I'll give you a recomenation.



The only RP product I've messed with so far is the assembly lube. Aside from it's very slick feel, it is tacky as hell. To what do you attribute the HP increase? Reduced friction, better ring seal, thermal conductivity?

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Sorry,but I think it's Snake Oil.Kinda like that Slick 50 BS of a few years ago or Split Fire plugs.It's all in your mind. Any quality oil should work just as good.Must be another April Fools joke.

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Alex I am glad to see you are brand loyal to the stuff you sell. Royal Purple or just use whatever oil you can find is one of the better tech tips I have seen lately.
John had tried Mobil 1 and it fixed most of his problems. I believe Allyn uses Mobil 1 exclusively and he told me to go to synthetic though since he does not sell oil he did not specify a brand in those terms.

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A local sprint car builder here who is not a Royal Purple rep also tells his customers the same thing. If you want more HP, put Royal Purple in them. He also has seen horsepower increases on a dyno by changing from Mobil One to Royal Purple. And the last time they did a comparison pull, going from 5-30 Mobil One to 5-30 Royal Purple picked up almost 15 horsepower on an 835hp sprint car motor.

Call it snake oil, or whatever you want, but there's a reason almost all of the NASCAR teams run Royal Purple, (and even some of the teams that have major oil sponsors run it).

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Hot Rod magazine also had a very similar result a few months ago with a SBC they wanted to pop over the 500 hp mark on a dyno. I think it was at 496 and a change to Royal Purple brought it to 503, a 7 hp difference.

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Snake oil?
Lest you forget Jim, I was one of the LAST to get on the synthetic oil bus! I was a proponant of petroleum oils for a long, long time. When a friend at Cosworth turned me on to Royal Purple and endorsed it, that was good enough for me. I have proved it's merit and value hundreds of times!
I'll tell you what Jim, I'll give you 5 quarts for your Falcon or your Morris to try, freight paid. If it does not pick you up .005 or better you owe me nothing. If it does then you post the results and pay me for the product and the shipping. You can't get a more fair deal than that!

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Thanks for the offer but I stll don't believe it will make any improvement. Both my cars run pretty consistent but I would be hard pressed to even make two runs within .005 difference in E.T. so probably wouldn't notice any improvement. I'll stick with a known good oil and you can promote your snake oil all you want so you can sell it.

Sorry, Steve,but Hot Rod probably got paid for using that oil and had to show an improvement.

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Whatever. When's the next 'flat-earth society' meeting?

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I think there is a meeting down in Hollywood tonight.

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Yep, and my dual point distributor is proven to work better than anything else out there and those da**ed new fangled electronic things arent worth the hassle, nor are any other so called "improvements" in technology.

The guy at the shop (its name is Ostrich Racing Engines, they build more winning sprint car motors for Knoxville speedway in Iowa than ANYONE), also had a customer who didnt believe the Purple was better. He also told the guy if it didnt gain at least 10 hp on the dyno he would pay for the oil and filter change. Well, it picked up 15 hp over the Mobil One he was a firm believer in.

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If I insult your RP will you send me a free batch?
Royal Purple is a dastardly brew of suspicious ingredients that create a concoction so vile it rivals any liquid sold by the traveling band of charletons from the days of yore! Consider your product insulted .

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posted 04-20-2002 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah...how about me?

I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

wasn't that slick the way I drug a monty python skit into this?

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Kid: There is a big difference comparing points type distributors with eletronic. It's not the same as comparing synthetic oils with petroleum oils. You don't have to fart on anyone or make insults just because I don't agree about the oil.

I'm going to run my Morris at the local 1/8 mile track tomorrow and it might turn a 7.48 which I know is slow for you guys. But if I spend the $50 for the purple snake oil it might turn a 7.475. Sorry but BFD.

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I wan to try some royal purple!

Alex, your mama wears army boots! LOL

But, really we were running purple in the 351w before. When it ran it's best ets there was purple oil in the crankcase, Snake oil, maybe?!?! Send me a gallon and I'll add the extra two quarts and post the results.

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Kid: You don't have to fart on anyone or make insults just because I don't agree about the oil.



That was comedy, a line from "Monty Python, in search of the Holy Grail"...not a comment aimed at you.


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I love Monty Python! Nee nee nee nee .

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Now that we got that out of the way... Is there an application of RP for a 2000 3/4 Diesel Ford PU....

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Yes Jim, your cars are indeed very consistant. Consitantly SLOW! Remember, I have plenty of friends in Palmdale.
Don, the 15w40 product will work very well in your truck.
Dusty, the performance increase is primarily attributed to the products ability to maintain is low viscocity and lubricity, while still helping to maintain a good seal in high temperature inviornments. High lube quality equals less friction. Less friction equals more power.

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Alex,so just because I don't agree with your purple oil you are going to insult my cars times because they are slow? I don't care how many friends you have or don't have in Palmdale. I go racing for a good time and it is good relaxation for me whether in your eyes my cars are slow or not. I just came back from Irwindale where it cost me $20 for the gas for my truck and car and $30 for entry fees.My best time in the 1/8 was a 7.486/90.4MPH. I'd rather spend $50 to race my car on a Sunday with good people that don't care how fast my cars are than buy some synthetic oil for $50 that might make my slow cars go another .005 quicker. I thought this board was above this petty stuff you hand out just because someone doesn't agree with you.I'll take my slow cars elsewhere than Mustangsandmore. Thanks.

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Sorry,but I think it's Snake Oil.Kinda like that Slick 50 BS of a few years ago or Split Fire plugs.It's all in your mind. Any quality oil should work just as good.Must be another April Fools joke.


[QUOTE] Alex,so just because I don't agree with your purple oil you are going to insult my cars times because they are slow? [/QOUTE]

Seems to me you insulted Alex first. You questioned a proven product, and basically called him a liar and that it was BS just to sell an inferior, overpriced product.

Sorry, but Royal Purple is proven to work better than your inferior petroleum oil. It makes more horsepower, runs cooler, and promotes better engine wear.

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Jim, I can take a joke or an insult. Obviously you can dish it out but can not take it back. I am not trying to SELL anything to you or anyone else. You can take my advice or leave it.
End of story. Enjoy the forums and try to lighten up a bit. We all are.

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Did anyone catch the latest episode of Hot Rod TV last night?

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I think I saw the one you are talking about yesterday. The one where they changed the engine, tranny and rearend fluids to RP and picked up 10 HP on a chassis dyno. Nice car!

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Hey Alex, have you had any experience with Amsoil? I've been using their 0W-30 Series 2000 oil, SDF oil filters, ATF, PI gas additive, and 75W-90 Series 2000 rear end lube in my vehicles for over 9 years now. With the exception of my '96 Saturn SL2 which has been a piece of junk since day one (my other cars are the '00 Stang and my '93 Taurus with 90K+), I've had very good results with the Amsoil in terms of increased mileage and performance, reduced emissions, and minimal or no oil consumption between changes. How does RP compare in terms of cost and extended drain intervals (just wondering)?

Also, have you had any experience with Halo Spark Plugs? I tried a set in the Saturn about a year ago and they helped performance and reduced the amount of carbon build up I was getting on the plugs (which has been a significant problem with the Saturn as it doesn't see the highway much).

PS - I'm not trying to start an RP vs. Amsoil debate here, I'm just curious if you've tried it and how good or bad the results were when you might have tested it.

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Alex,

I watched hot rod t.v. last weekend when they changed the oil too royal purple in the motor, tranny and rearend, and picked up 10 h.p. on a chassis dyno with a 347 stroker motor, that's 10 h.p. @ the rear wheels, i bet if you let the car run a hundred mile before they put it on the chassis dyno and let the oil work it's way around and bond to the parts more it would pick up more power

R.P. is the real deal no doubt

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Over the years I have heard nothing but GOOD about Amsoil products.
Jim Paquet of JPT transmission recomends their trans fluid in non high RPM C-4 applications.
The only draw back that I have ever seen with Amsoil has been limited availability.
I have not had any real experiance with the HALO spark plugs. If they were really worth anything I would suspect that the major plug manufacturers would have had them long ago. When a product works everyone jumps in wiht a copy. Sort of like synthetic lubricants don't ya think?

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Alex, did you run any other synthetics in your test other than Mobil 1 - specifically REDLINE?

I'm hearing R.P. is better than petro oils (no surprise to me) and better then synthetic Mobil 1 (which does surprise me). I see alot of testimony, reports or web site comparisons of synthetics against petro oils, but I'd like to see a performance comparison of the top 5 or so synthetics lubes...

I currently use REDLINE synthetic oils/lubes and I'm a firm believer that the synthetics are FAR superior over petro-based oils. Whether or not they provide more power; I believe the synthetics have better cling, better cold start up protection, high temp protection, etc. than the petro oils which is reason enough for me to make the switch and pay the long price...

However, I'm a bit hesitate to be convinced there is that much difference between the synthetics. ...but the Mobil 1 info is interresting..... I may have to try R.P. at my next oil change.....

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...but the Mobil 1 info is interresting.....


I had heard the same thing about Mobil One synthetic oil before Alex ever mentioned it.

Is it Mobil One or Castrol Syntec that has a mild blend of petro oil in their supposed straight synthetic?

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I'm not saying RP isn't worth power, but I'd like to know more details about that 347 10hp increase.

Conventional oil is a LOT thicker when it's cold than synthetic. Thinner oil has less drag than the thick stuff. I'd like to know if the engine, tranny, and rear end were all COMPLETELY warmed up prior to the test.

My car runs best when it is stone cold. Synthetic gives a little peace of mind with the engine, makes the tranny shift better (cold), and gives less drag in the rear end. FULLY warmed up conventional oil shouldn't be off much, compared to synthetic... but it's not like you get a chance to drive 20 miles before making a pass.

I'm cheap and use Mobil 1. Walmart carries it where I live for $17.88 for a 5 quart container... which is just over $3 a quart. I'm paranoid, and run the 15w50, which is still pretty thin. Mobil 1 also has all the 'street' additives and detergents, which suits me fine since I usually run the same oil all summer... well, sometimes I'll change it once if it starts to look very dirty.

My $0.02
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Last year we tested (comparison) RP, Synergin, Mobil One, and Castrol Syntec. All HOT and all with the same results. The Synergin was worth a touch and the other two zero over petroleum products. Only the RP showed substantial increases in power. Buy the way, RP uses MM's old rings and bearings in their trade show display.
.040 and .030 under with 128 9000+ RPM passes on them. They look like NEW! BFN as a mater of fact. That's on a steady diet of #9 0-10w RP racing oil after break in.

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I work for a natural Gas pipeline and we changed most of our fleet vehicles and large horsepower compressors over to ? You got it Royal Purple, about 8 years ago. When we switched I seem to remember it wasn't availble for retail. I don't know what's in there but it's slick stuff. Alex you sell it? Does this mean I can quit borrowing it from the plant? ?? I didn't know it was availble retail now. I haven't seen it in stores.
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where can i get this rp synthetic oil. I'd like to try it . I have about 3 hours burn time on my new 302 roller motor and I'm willing to give synthetic oil a try.......Allen

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Alex, What type RP would your reccomend for a BBF on Methanol? Do you need more detail?
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We sell RP products at MMR. You can also get it from Jegs and many NAPA stores Allen.
Jerry, I would like to know a bit more about your engine like camshaft type and bearing clearances.

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Alex,
Camshaft type is Roller , bearing clearances are 3.5 - 4. I know this because I had to have the crank re-ground one thousandth because the clearances were too tight. The rods are 6.8 Oliver steel. The rod journals were cut down to the BRAND X ( BBC ) size. I run a bottom end stud girdle on a two bolt block bored .080 over. Crank is Callies steel. I shift the thing at 6500, and it depends on the track as to the RPM I cross through at. We have some 1/8th mile tracks and 600 ft tracks. 4.56 rear gears. I run methanol for fuel. Really since I bracket race not class race it wouldn't matter much if it picked it up a little or not, but I'm just curious about it now. Thanks for the help ALEX.

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#21 Racing Jerry. I would like to see it heavier than most in your application due to the large clearances and the methanol fuel.

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#21 Racing Jerry. I would like to see it heavier than most in your application due to the large clearances and the methanol fuel.


Not to dis-agree with the Chief, but....

I have always ran the #11 cuz it says its designed for methanol fuel. My clearances are bigger than normal, but not quite that much bigger, and it still carries good oil pressure.

I tried #21 and it made a mess in the pan with the alchy. With #11, the water seperates over night from the oil and can be drained out first thing.

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I would have recomnended 11 for you KV and your 351C. As a matter of fact I think that I have in the past.
IN Jerry's case wit that big arm, heavy bob weight and loose as a goose clearance along with the methanol, I think the 21 is a better choice.

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I would have recomnended 11 for you KV and your 351C. As a matter of fact I think that I have in the past.
IN Jerry's case wit that big arm, heavy bob weight and loose as a goose clearance along with the methanol, I think the 21 is a better choice.


Ok, I was just "thinking outloud".
I figured there had to be a reason you recommended the 21 for him.

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Over the years I have heard nothing but GOOD about Amsoil products.
Jim Paquet of JPT transmission recomends their trans fluid in non high RPM C-4 applications.
The only draw back that I have ever seen with Amsoil has been limited availability.
I have not had any real experiance with the HALO spark plugs. If they were really worth anything I would suspect that the major plug manufacturers would have had them long ago. When a product works everyone jumps in wiht a copy. Sort of like synthetic lubricants don't ya think?



Guys, I have run several different synthetic oils in several applications. I raced unlimited go-karts for awhile and used Klotz and Blendzall synthetics usually mixed with some castor oil in Alky sometimes jazzed with a little nitro. I also used Klotz and Amsoil synthetics in some 4cycle Stock appearing kart engines I built for customers. We ran Amsoil products in a fleet of Crown Vic Sheriff's cars that I maintain, And we've tried Mobil One and others, Syntec and the like, in several different personal vehicles. Two things stand out in my mind. Amsoil, Syntec and the majority of the commercially available Synthetiecs are in fact Parasynthetics. That is a basic crude oil formula that has been modified with synthetic polymers for improved lubricity, more consistant viscosity, and resistance to sludge and thermal breakdown. The advantage of these formulations for the average motorist is it can be safely mixed with crude oil products with no adverse effects, so if a guy is on the road, and needs oil he can dump anything in there till he can get service. The TRUE synthetics like crude oil about as much as they like water. They DO NOT mix well. I have dismantled some engines I sold with Pure synthetic oil in them and were switched to crude and everything in the engine was coated with an eighth inch film of goo looking very much like gray yogurt. Amsoil recommends flushing your engine with their crankcase flush prior to adding their synthetic. They ( salesman ) downplay the importance of doing it, but the engineers don't write policy if they don't think it's important. I have a couple of good tech manuals on lubricants I got from the Petroleum Institute that help clarify the differences in oils, how viscosity ratings are done etc. As MM noted, if you can use a very low viscosity oil and still have enough film strength to provide adequate lubrication you can reduce power losses in many ways. First, the oil pump will take less power to drive, parasitic drag from windage and roping will be reduced and drain back will be greatly improved. In a highly stressed application ( I think 9000RPM qualifies! ) one would want to change oil frequently, like every race day!

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Alex, how about me? 377C, std. bearing clearances, solid cam, 7000 RPM max.

Can we get Royal Purple down here??

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How about for a roller 302 crate motor with aluminum heads and 9:1?

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Paul, sorry I missed this. #11 Racing for your application would work well. I can ship some to you if you can't find any down under.
65_289 #21 Racing for you..

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Paul, sorry I missed this. #11 Racing for your application would work well. I can ship some to you if you can't find any down under.
65_289 #21 Racing for you..


Hell yeah! Thanks Alex!!

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Thanks Alex,
We have a distributer down here.

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