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Topic: Why is nobody talking?
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Big Block Capri
Gearhead Posts: 107
From: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 12:18 PM
   
This is in reference to the new deal for a single World Champion for bracket racers in IHRA. With a possible $150,000 and a new car going to the winner, one would think that the entire bracket racing world would be buzzing. This is certainly not the case. Could it be that there is too much room for collusion between a viable winner and the track operator. In a perfect world this would be an excellent program. Personally, I think that whoever wins will be the person that has found the best way around the system. As soon as you put up a lot of money the cheaters come crawling out of the woodwork, and unfortunately, boys and girls, there are cheaters out there.
This should be a program that we are all excited about and look forward to competing in. I will remain skeptical. Like I said, "In a perfect world."
Just my .02------------------
Paul Garant
"No replacement for displacement."
1984 Capri 466ci.
1/8 ET 6.646
1/8 MPH 103.34
1/4 ET 10.466
1/4 MPH 132.68
60 FT 1.406
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 12-12-2001 12:38 PM
People are talking about it everywhere Paul. Remember that the new issue of Drag Review just hit the mail boxes and not EVERYONE has internet access. It will be a real hot topic over the winter months.
Also, we don't have too many points chasing IHRA bracket racers here on M&M.  ------------------
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Big Block Capri
Gearhead Posts: 107
From: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 12:41 PM
What are your thoughts, Alex?
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 3231
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 12:46 PM
Heck, we don't even have an IHRA track. Although Rocky Mountain Raceway may switch to IHRA, that's still a haul from here. Big money bracket races bring out the worst in people IMO. A $20 entry and racing for a nice trophy is much more fun.
SteveW
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 12-12-2001 12:51 PM
Don't tell anyone STeve but, you just might have an IHRA track closer than you think. Coming to you very soon and all it needs is a few improvments. It's current NHRA lease expired last month and has not been renewed by NHRA.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-12-2001 12:54 PM
Paul, my thoughts are very jaded from past experiance.  Best I keep quiet on this one as I have a pretty good relationship with IHRA.
All I will say is that if it is worth $150k to a racer, think what the potential to IHRA must be. ------------------
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I65Stang
Moderator Posts: 4410
From: Antelope, CA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 12-12-2001 12:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Don't tell anyone STeve but, you just might have an IHRA track closer than you think. Coming to you very soon and all it needs is a few improvments. It's current NHRA lease expired last month and has not been renewed by NHRA.
Ok Alex, spill it, who is it? ------------------
Tim M&M Member #35
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1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction
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Big Block Capri
Gearhead Posts: 107
From: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 12:59 PM
The racing aspect of it will always be fun. If you and I race each other and you win we will shake hands, I will congratulate you and we will kid each other a bit. If I win we will shake hands, you will congratulate me and we will kid each other a bit. I race because I love to compete. I have been to a Monteal Expos training camp, I was in the NHL draft and I've loved cars and racing my entire life. I will remain competitive until the day I die. I just want the playing field to be level, and I don't know that it will be!
Alex, I understand why you wish to lay low. If I were in your position, I would too.------------------
Paul Garant
"No replacement for displacement."
1984 Capri 466ci.
1/8 ET 6.646
1/8 MPH 103.34
1/4 ET 10.466
1/4 MPH 132.68
60 FT 1.406 [This message has been edited by Big Block Capri (edited 12-12-2001).]
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-12-2001 01:35 PM
Well Tim, it's a rather famous track. ------------------
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 3231
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 01:44 PM
Sacramento Raceway Park???
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-12-2001 02:56 PM
Nope, but there is a HUGE hint in my last post. ------------------
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I65Stang
Moderator Posts: 4410
From: Antelope, CA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 12-12-2001 03:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Nope, but there is a HUGE hint in my last post.
Does it start with the same letter as famous? If so, thats still a ways away from NorCal . ------------------
Tim M&M Member #35
1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys
1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-12-2001 03:07 PM
IHRA is going to march right into Glendoraland. ------------------
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 3231
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 04:10 PM
Famoso?Too far for us,
SteveW
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1558
From: from between the end of the road, and the middleof no-where
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 04:14 PM
I bracket race in IHRA. I havent heard much about the new deal. But, with my dis-trust of IHRA and how they run their bracket program, I have no faith in it working as planned or some actual bracket racer winning it. [This message has been edited by kid vishus (edited 12-12-2001).]
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 490
From: Stanton, MI
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 06:29 PM
Local rumor here has it that the IHRA Northern Nationals WILL NOT be held at the Mid-Michigan Motorplex in '02 but rather at the newly-refurbished US-131 Dragway located in Martin, Michigan (just south of Grand Rapids, MI). The rumor mill hasn't said anything about whether or not the MMMP will stay IHRA or not. The rumor mill also says that Milan Dragway (south of Ann Arbor, MI) will drop the NHRA and pick up IHRA.... but these are only rumors here in the sticks. Ryan
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Just Jim
Gearhead Posts: 354
From: So Cal
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 07:03 PM
I think Steve got it right. I stopped going to Famoso a few years back due to some problems I won't go into. I hope the IHRA runs it better. It's been my experience that big money races bring out the worst in people. I now just go to the trophy type meets. They are more fun for me. My reaction times have been so bad lately that I'm usually first round runner-up but it's still a good time. ------------------
"Just Falcon Around"
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steve'66
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posted 12-12-2001 08:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Just Jim:
My reaction times have been so bad lately that I'm usually first round runner-up but it's still a good time.
Thanks funny Jim, first round runner up.  Did you loose in the last round of practice? LMAO SteveW
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GTS Racing
Journeyman Posts: 17
From: Thor, Iowa 50591
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 11:07 PM
I think it is pretty cool. We have been looking to get our feet wet in "big time" racing for quite sometime, but this could be the best excuse yet! Anytime you get to have fun racing and have the chance to win big money doing it, its cool. I have my questions also, like the whole cheating thing, but I am hopeful there will be no need to worry. We have two IHRA tracks, one 1/8th and one 1/4, within 3 hours of our house, so we won't need to be on the road for hours, and that will be easier on our pockets. My hats off to IHRA for giving us little guys a shot at some big money, however small the chance may be!
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Dr. Who
Gearhead Posts: 112
From: Redwood City, Ca.
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 12-12-2001 11:16 PM
File this under barstool hearsay . IHRA did outbid NHRA for the B field sanction. The track however has a long term lease with a third party and the sanction deal is between the track owner and IHRA or NHRA seperate from the existing lease. Let's just muse over "if" there were any problems between the leasee and the owner, say track upkeep , and what a sanctioning change might do to muddy the water of an ongoing dialog. I have to wait till I go get drunk again to see how it all turns out .
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Big Block Capri
Gearhead Posts: 107
From: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-13-2001 07:59 AM
Ryan,
I don't know about the sanction status of MMMP, but the other two rumours....ain't rumours.------------------
Paul Garant
"No replacement for displacement."
1984 Capri 466ci.
1/8 ET 6.646
1/8 MPH 103.34
1/4 ET 10.466
1/4 MPH 132.68
60 FT 1.406
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-13-2001 02:11 PM
A few IHRA and NHRA "track facts". Fact, Milan MI went IHRA. Fact, Martin MI went IHRA and will hold the Northern Nationals. Fact, Stanton aka Mid Michigan Motorplex went NHRA and will hold a divisional event. Fact, CCC aka IHRA did out bid NHRA for the lease to Famoso/Bakersfield. It is no longer on NHRA's schedule. It is all quite hush hush until details are finalized. Why do you think that there was such a halabaloo over the "western" expansion and new divisions in IHRA. ------------------
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Dr. Who
Gearhead Posts: 112
From: Redwood City, Ca.
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 12-13-2001 03:22 PM
I think it's an exciting change to have IHRA in the west. I am curious as to why NHRA has released it's grip on the left coast though? Now if we could just get the Fun Ford Weekend deal out here LOL.
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-13-2001 03:24 PM
It was a sealed bid and the NHRA tried to "K-Mart" their way into another long term lease. ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-14-2001 02:05 PM
And the war continues.
NHRA CLOSE TO SIGNING PRO MOD SPONSOR! NHRA MAY ADOPT THEIR OWN PRO MOD RULES Agent 1320 keeps hearing that that NHRA is very, very close to signing a sponsor for their Pro Modified class for the 2002 season. The way the Agent is getting the story, the potential sponsor would be involved with the Pro Modified class alone instead of being an "umbrella" type sponsor. According to information the Agent got at the recent PRI Show, when the deal is signed the current Pro Mod eight-race schedule would increase to ten and would include a race in Texas and the NHRA Winternationals. When this deal happens IHRA Pro Modified will never be the same. The Agent also heard that more than one Pro Mod racer is lobbying NHRA to have its own set of Pro Mod rules for the 2002 season. One supercharger using racer who called the Agent said, "I say give the nitrous cars anything they want, just don't make me change everything I used last year, again."
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-14-2001 05:29 PM
And now there's more.............
http://www.ihra.com/news/2001december/14byron.html
Looks like IHRA is going after all they can. ------------------
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Big Block Capri
Gearhead Posts: 107
From: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-15-2001 10:12 AM
Looks like NHRA HAS to go after the big boys, which is no surprise, because all the little guys may soon be IHRA.
I got some more info on the reporting of race results for the new bracket deal that IHRA has set up. You must be a track points member plus an IHRA member and add a $10 cost for the World championship deal. You will then be issued a 4 digit number to run on the car. There is a moderately substantial cost to the track for computer and software upgrades to report all rounds of competition. These round reports must be submitted to IHRA by the Monday following the event. I'm feeling a little better about things now.------------------
Paul Garant
"No replacement for displacement."
1984 Capri 466ci.
1/8 ET 6.646
1/8 MPH 103.34
1/4 ET 10.466
1/4 MPH 132.68
60 FT 1.406
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1558
From: from between the end of the road, and the middleof no-where
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-15-2001 10:27 AM
Great So now I will have three different numbers to put on my car, my IHRA Hot Rod number, An NHRA number, and a Summit SuperSeries number. And all three will cost me $$ seperately, and also according to Drag Review, I will have to put more disgusting decals on my car. And with my luck, my track wont report the results ever. Why should they start then? They never once reported any results to Drag Review this year. To me, it just sounds like a way for Summit to get people to spend more money with them in the hopes of winning something that is un-abtainable.
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