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THUMPING COUGAR
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posted 11-24-2001 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THUMPING COUGAR   Click Here to Email THUMPING COUGAR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my goal horsepower for my 351w is 500 horsepower i dont know really what i would have to do to achive this all the combinations of parts i put together dont add up it seems imposible can someone please tell me what to do.

and also is the super victor a good manufold or could i get more horsepower out of the victor jr

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I GOT 537HP @6300RMP OUT OF A 351C STROKED TO 408. ROLLER CAM [email protected] WITH 623 LIFT. TORKER INTAKE, 800 DOUBLE PUMPER AND PRETTY MUCH STOCK HEADS. I THINK WITH A WINDSOR AND A GOOD SET OF HEAD IT SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM.

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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badazzcougar
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posted 11-24-2001 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badazzcougar   Click Here to Email badazzcougar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive got a spare 4 Bolt main 4V-351C laying around and Ive thought about either stroking it or building a blower motor but blower setups for 351C's dont seem to be falling from trees it seems. That 408 idea sounds pretty good. whats the most cost effective way of doing it? Are you using chevy rods and offset grinding the crank? What about pistons. What was the bottom line on a build like that?

Also anyone know of a blower manifold for 351 clevelands?

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cost me about 6,000.00 to have it built by a engine builder. It's a scat crank and rods with JE piston, 11-1. Bore 4.030 stroke 3.850.
Rods h-beam 6.200 See Scats web site. It is a windsor crank they use and they had to make a spacer for the damper. RAY
http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/smblkfordrotating.html
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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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badazzcougar
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posted 11-24-2001 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badazzcougar   Click Here to Email badazzcougar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did the math a few times there 7DMach1 and every time it came up with a few missing cubes. More like 18 missing cubes. How do you come up with 408 cubic inches out of that bore and stroke combination? I'm coming up with about 390 cubes by my math. To come up with a 408 you'd have to use a 4.025 stroke crank with the 4.03 bore . Are you using an M block or a 351C ? That might be more stroke than I am comfortable with in a short deck 351 C block. Thats got to have a huge amount of lower end torque but its got to be a bit soggy on the top end.

Anyone know of a blower manifold for the 351C

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry try 4.000 stroke. Sorry that's a 393. RAY

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now you got me thinking, he had custom pistons made wouldn't the wrist pin and hieght of piston matter? Ray

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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badazzcougar
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posted 11-24-2001 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badazzcougar   Click Here to Email badazzcougar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sure it would. I dont see how you wouldnt have the wrist pin up into the oil ring groove with a 6.2" rod in a 9.2" deck block. Either that or you'd have insufficient skirt to stabilize the piston in the bore. I think I'll shy away from that one. In a windsor it wouldnt be a problem with its higher deck but with that combo I'd be afraid of breaking stuff.
That big 6-71 air compressor is sounding better all the time. Cleveland blower manifolds anyone?

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try this for you manifold. http://www.racesearch.com/CGImp/mhp?man=1166&sort=PRICE&engtype=0&Try+Again=Try+Again&mode=sbpn&cat=2939

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-24-2001 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found the engine spec sheet from the builder. It's 4.030 bore 3.85 stroke and 6.200 rod with custom JE piston. He didn't like the 4.0 stroke. Most 347 strokers have the wrist pin in the ring land. I know a lot of people running them with no problem. There were problems with the early ones but they have fixed it. RAY

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
SHOW THE WORLD, LIGHT A CANDLE.
http://www.geocities.com/slariviere/7DMach1.html

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badazzcougar
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posted 11-24-2001 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badazzcougar   Click Here to Email badazzcougar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ooh oooh oooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh !

BDS ... Here I come. Of course my wife might have something to say about this but hey... I can always get her a second job!

Kind of sucks figuring out you just lost 15 cubic inches doesnt it. To be honest for the 6K I think I could build a hell of a 540 .

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Clevo377
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posted 11-25-2001 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray, It looks like you need to update your signature to "NOW 393 4 SPEED". What it means is you got 537Hp out of a 393!! Way to go

Paul

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TomP
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posted 11-25-2001 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ZOINKS!! those blower manifolds are just a wee bit pricy aren't they?

I'm pretty sure they are double what i've seen them for elsewhere.

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badazzcougar
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posted 11-25-2001 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for badazzcougar   Click Here to Email badazzcougar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I'm going to be shopping the used blower manifold market myself

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stang106
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posted 11-25-2001 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THUMPING COUGER:
I'm not sure where you're from, but I buy my parts from Alberta, Canada, where ther is less taxes, and a deal for Americans. They just put it on a bus and I get the oarts the next day. The place is called 'Prostock' and they do machine work, dyno, flow heads and intakes, but best of , provide great technical help. They have dynoed and sell a proven 500 HP 351W combination that is 10:1 compression and uses a Scat stroker crank. Its about $4,000.00 to put together a motor and they sell tons of them. Don't forget if yopu are American you only pay .64 cents of our dollar or $2560.00 American for the parts. I have their phone number, they also have a website.
Dave

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stang106
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posted 11-25-2001 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, a local mud racer has one, it also produces over 500 ft/lbs of torque. His motor has stayed together for a few seasons with no problems.
Dave

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Fastymz
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posted 11-25-2001 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THUMPING COUGAR,I'd stay with the VictorJR.Go with a good set of aftermarket heads.Good set of headers.The main thing with these motors is to let them breath.And you'll be on your way.I'm no expert just have done some reading,and kepping an eye on this site.

Ron

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65 Coupe with a 351w, RPM intake,carter625,shorty 1-5/8 headers,2.5 exhaust,Flowmasters,stock C4,peg leg 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Cragers SS,Black Suede finish.
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Fastymz
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posted 11-25-2001 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Clevo377:
Ray, It looks like you need to update your signature to "NOW 393 4 SPEED". What it means is you got 537Hp out of a 393!! Way to go

Paul


Ray,this is the only way to look at it.

Ron.

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65 Coupe with a 351w, RPM intake,carter625,shorty 1-5/8 headers,2.5 exhaust,Flowmasters,stock C4,peg leg 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Cragers SS,Black Suede finish.
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THUMPING COUGAR
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posted 11-25-2001 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THUMPING COUGAR   Click Here to Email THUMPING COUGAR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so do i have to stroke my motor to get 500 horses or is there a way around that, how about porting gt-40 heads

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F551
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posted 11-26-2001 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for F551   Click Here to Email F551     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ny brother's old motor was a .030" over 351W - it dynoed at 497 HP (close enough?).

Used ported Performer RPM heads and a Victor JR. with a Holley 850. Mild solid lifter cam with about 10.5 /11 to 1 compression.

Car ran low 11 - a 10.95 on an excellent day in a 67 fastback with a glide.

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bluestreek
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posted 11-26-2001 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by THUMPING COUGAR:
so do i have to stroke my motor to get 500 horses or is there a way around that, how about porting gt-40 heads

The GT-40s are not worth the time and money to get 500 HP out of them..

Throwing on a new set of Roush/World (formerly Windsor Jr/Sr) 200 CC heads ($750) and a Victor jr intake ($219) and a good 240-250 duration cam,lifter,springs, and roller rockers, should get in the 450-475 HP range for a lot less than stroking it would..


Flow and compression is what makes HP !!
More cubic inches increases TORQUE and the potential for more HP, but not without more flow.

When you put it all together you start breaking things!!

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