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Topic: 429/460 full lenght headers into early Mustangs
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Gary
Gearhead Posts: 602
From: Sarasota, Fla. USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-15-2001 07:54 AM
   
Who makes a set of full lenght headers that will fit 429/460 swaps into 67-70 Mustangs with a 4sp. no PS?
If all are made to fit only autos, can mods be made to get them to work? Basicly has anyone been there done that?
I presently have shorties being a street car needing ground clearence but having pitman arm clearence issues making sharp left hand turns. I don't want to convert to a rack.
Thanks 
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Butch Jennings
Gearhead Posts: 308
From: California
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 11-15-2001 08:47 AM
I was told that Tubular Automotive makes a set, but when I called them the guy on the phone was such a prick I decided to make my own before I spent a dime with him. I ended up with a set for a 71-73 Mustang that I modified for my Comet. I think Crites might make a set too, but I'm not positive.------------------
Butch
460 powered 1967 Comet Cyclone
10.271 @ 130.069
Butcher's Home Page
"Friends don't let friends drive Chevys"
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Butch Jennings
Gearhead Posts: 308
From: California
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 11-15-2001 08:56 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597950074&r=0&t=0
I think that's a set of Tubular Automotive's right there.
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Butch
460 powered 1967 Comet Cyclone
10.271 @ 130.069
Butcher's Home Page
"Friends don't let friends drive Chevys"
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Greenstang
Gearhead Posts: 765
From: its all a fog..
Registered: May 2001
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posted 11-15-2001 02:21 PM
I had the same experience with tubular automotive... I was clling in regards to Cleveland headers, but got the same attitude.
There are other companies more deserving of my dollars. JMHO------------------
Marcus?
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 227
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-15-2001 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Greenstang:
I had the same experience with tubular automotive... I was clling in regards to Cleveland headers, but got the same attitude.
There are other companies more deserving of my dollars. JMHO
I have a set of their headers. They make an OK product. Took a lot of work to get the clutch linkage to fit.
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mustang68mustangs
Journeyman Posts: 46
From: pittsburgh,pa.usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 11-15-2001 05:43 PM
Crites restoration ,MPG head service ,and Mustangs unlimited all have the headers your looking for.
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 227
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-15-2001 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by mustang68mustangs:
Crites restoration ,MPG head service ,and Mustangs unlimited all have the headers your looking for.
Crites and mustangs unlimited look like Tubular Automotive. MPG has their own made.
If you can accept shorties, then Ford Powertrain makes a set to swap a 460 into a mustang. www.fordpowertrain.com
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Jim Sams
'69 mustang Coupe
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Gary
Gearhead Posts: 602
From: Sarasota, Fla. USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-15-2001 07:02 PM
Humm.. I saw awhile back that the headers were available at the mentioned places but thought they were for only an automatic.
Don't want the shorties from FPA, I have them now and thats my problem and why Im looking for other brands to fit a manual trans. Heard through the grape vine Crites has a newer design (full lenght oval collector)that gives 5.5" of ground clearence at the collector @stock ride height problem is they are also for autos. Another fly in the oitment is Im using a Lakewood bellhousing and thats a big rascal to get around, thats why I went with the shorties but still had to cut part of the bell flange to get a down pipe up to the ball collector. Thanks, I'll call around again as it's been a year since I checked and maybe there's something new that will work...
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 227
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-16-2001 07:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Gary:
Humm.. I saw awhile back that the headers were available at the mentioned places but thought they were for only an automatic.
Don't want the shorties from FPA, I have them now and thats my problem and why Im looking for other brands to fit a manual trans. Heard through the grape vine Crites has a newer design (full lenght oval collector)that gives 5.5" of ground clearence at the collector @stock ride height problem is they are also for autos. Another fly in the oitment is Im using a Lakewood bellhousing and thats a big rascal to get around, thats why I went with the shorties but still had to cut part of the bell flange to get a down pipe up to the ball collector. Thanks, I'll call around again as it's been a year since I checked and maybe there's something new that will work...
Why not convert to Hyd linkage?
Wanna sell the shorties?
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F551
Gearhead Posts: 109
From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-17-2001 09:11 AM
Have the Tubular Auto headers on our car. Bought them from Ford Power Parts. When they went on we had to heat and bend the primaries outward to spread the collectors to clear the C6.Butch - good eye, that's the same headers we have - guys not kidding about needing dents for clearance. ------------------
Fred
68 Mustang 500CID/Powerglide - "No Tubs"
86 Mustang GT Cobra
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 10037
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-17-2001 11:23 AM
I believe that Crites and FPP both market the Tubular Automotive pieces. They(Tubular Automotive) are a pain in the a$$ to deal with and it is quite frustrating at times, but they do have what you are looking for Gary.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 227
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-20-2001 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I believe that Crites and FPP both market the Tubular Automotive pieces. They(Tubular Automotive) are a pain in the a$$ to deal with and it is quite frustrating at times, but they do have what you are looking for Gary.
Tubular first sent me the wrong set (for a 351C in a 65 or 66 mustang). I mocked them up on the engine stand. They looked good. I then foolishly had them coated by Airborne coatings. Went to install them and they wouldn't even come close to fitting.
They did send me the right set but I lost the coating $$$ 
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 494
From: Stanton, MI
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-21-2001 12:14 PM
F551:
What oil pan were you able to use with your '68 & BBF setup? It appears as though the TA headers with those cross-over pipes won't allow the use of a non-stock pan...like a 8-qt. Canton pan. Thanks, Ryan
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Gary
Gearhead Posts: 602
From: Sarasota, Fla. USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-21-2001 08:18 PM
These places are all fine but I believe they make them for only automatics not manual cars....and to complicate the matters worst I have a fat lakewood to go around. I may beable to make them work but might have to go to a hyd. clutch A guy e-mailed me stating he had a set for a manual application that had slip-on collectors, it was some time ago and he didn't remember where he got them...he was also able to use stock type linkage. How he could forget where he got them seems alittle strange, must be old-heimers setting in on him.lol
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F551
Gearhead Posts: 109
From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-21-2001 09:41 PM
Ryan - we use a stock front sump pan, with a homemade baffle welded in to keep the oil at the pickup. There is one my brother prefers as it has a little bigger capacity - truck or van? Can't remember which, will have to check with him.These headers come as 8 tubes and 2 collectors - everything slips together, collectors are secured by tabs and 4 of 1/4" bolts. First time they went on was a nightmare - no picture and number stamped like a chev. Had to dimple them in quite a few places for clearance. Couldn't run the sway bar - as the pan interferred by about an inch. No power steering and lower crossmember had to come off (use Export brace / Monte Carlo bar). The collectors hang quite low. We had to heat and bend the primary tubes outward so the collectors would clear the C6 pan. At the time we thought these headers were meant for a manual transmission. We used the repro BOSS 429 engine mounts. Is a scattershield that much bigger than the bellhousing on a C6? Or is the concern that the scattershield is a full circle? Pardon my ignorance - only manual trans I go near is the T5 in my 86. ------------------
Fred
68 Mustang 500CID/Powerglide - "No Tubs"
86 Mustang GT Cobra
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